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[Healthcare Debate] Graham/Cassidy v. Sanders/Klobuchar town hall on CNN 9P EST

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    I'm still waiting from the pivot from Klobuchar (since it sure as hell isn't going to be Bernie) to point out that the problem is the insurance companies, not the ACA.

    Also, the whole "the governors will be better" --> those same governors screwing over their own states by refusing to expand medicaid

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    I'm glad neither Graham nor Cassidy have much practice doing the Gish gallop.

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    dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    I think Sanders is going to lose his shit at some point. He's not a patient man and I've seen him almos... oh wow he stood up.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Did

    did Graham just describe state medicaid expansion as his "workable third option"?

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    I think Sanders is going to lose his shit at some point. He's not a patient man and I've seen him almos... oh wow he stood up.

    He's stood every time. He's the one that started the standing. Now everyone is doing it.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    I'm still waiting from the pivot from Klobuchar (since it sure as hell isn't going to be Bernie) to point out that the problem is the insurance companies, not the ACA.

    Also, the whole "the governors will be better" --> those same governors screwing over their own states by refusing to expand medicaid

    Bernie was pretty adamant early that insurance companies were the problem.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Cassidy again with the ONE GUY with $39k / yr premiums.

    This is the new Joe the plumber.

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    dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    I think Sanders is going to lose his shit at some point. He's not a patient man and I've seen him almos... oh wow he stood up.

    He's stood every time. He's the one that started the standing. Now everyone is doing it.

    Nah, I mean he was standing up before Cassidy even walked off the stage.

    Also, my CNNGO preview just expired so I'll have to find somewhere else to watch this thing.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    I'm still waiting from the pivot from Klobuchar (since it sure as hell isn't going to be Bernie) to point out that the problem is the insurance companies, not the ACA.

    Also, the whole "the governors will be better" --> those same governors screwing over their own states by refusing to expand medicaid

    Bernie was pretty adamant early that insurance companies were the problem.

    Yeah...he actually mentioned that right after I edited my post

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I will say that Klobuchar is doing an excellent job as Sanders' tag-team partner. He goes all wild eyed moralist and she is calm and on point with the facts.

    And then she sets him up for the assisted power bomb off the top rope.

    Buh gawd!

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Klobuchar just got called out by Cassidy and shut down by the moderator before responding.

    Then she was given the most hostile question of the night so far.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    I just turned it on to watch a lady ask Sen. Klobuchar why she has to work hard to pay for feckless lazy poor people

    ...yeah I should just go to bed

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Klobuchar just got called out by Cassidy and shut down by the moderator before responding.

    Then she was given the most hostile question of the night so far.

    Yeah, that kind of question was what I was expecting from CNN

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Klobuchar just got called out by Cassidy and shut down by the moderator before responding.

    Then she was given the most hostile question of the night so far.

    Hmmm

    Edit Yeah can't watch this. It's exactly what one would expect. Might as well be Crossfire for all the real debate or persuasion

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I just turned it on to watch a lady ask Sen. Klobuchar why she has to work hard to pay for feckless lazy poor people

    ...yeah I should just go to bed

    You can be angry in the morning Hakkes. No sense spoiling your rest by getting heated now when you can do so in the morning. You won't even need coffee to wake up.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Cassidy losing his shit about insurance companies making too much profit is so disingenuous.

    Like

    Ok so single payer then??

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Cassidy also talking about profits of insurance companies and pharma companies.

    How is this not a win for Bernie and the left?
    The more people you turn against Pharma and Insurance co's the closer you get to a govt. public option....

    Am I off my rocker or are the republicans ceding this argument? For profit healthcare is bad?

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    I am enjoying the debate minigame of closing my eyes and pretending that Cassidy is actually Engels talking about our healthcare system. It's cathartic. And hilarious to hear what is essentially a diatribe against capitalism by a Republican that wants to abolish Medicaid.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Cassidy losing his shit about insurance companies making too much profit is so disingenuous.

    Like

    Ok so single payer then??

    Yeah, it's just so frustrating. He's so close to having the same talking points as Bernie, but instead he just blames everything on the ACA, making it out as the Insurance companies not having any agency of their own

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    hahaha Cassidy just called Bernie a socialist.

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Oooh, Bernie does not like Bill Cassidy lying about Bernie to his face.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    I see he's trying to pivot into GOVERNMENT CONTROL of INDUSTRY

    I've had less torture with constipation than Cassidy trying to force that logic out

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Just throw the headbutt, Bernie.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    What the fuck Cassidy?
    Take Canada and shake it like a piggy bank and the drugs that fall out won't cover all of the USA?
    Yeah no shit, that's not the point. We pay less for the same drugs, population size has fuck all to do with it.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Oh nice. Klobuchar with the importation Palin reference burn.

    "I can see Canada from my porch"

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    dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    Yeah. If we start providing healthcare we'll then take over the manufacturing and research... socialist! 'Murica! (applause)

    Die in a fire you shitbird.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Now everyone is standing.
    There's gonna be some people's elbows thrown.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Can we just appreciate that literally everyone on the stage is calling for pitchforks and torches wrt the pharmacuetical industry?

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Graham acting like pharmaceuticals is not part of the health care industry

    Yeah you lopsided idiot pharma should have been brought to heel MORE during the ACA, glad you agree

    Also an asymmetrical part in your hair doesn't have to be a geographical feature

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Now everyone is standing.
    There's gonna be some people's elbows thrown.

    I think Sanders got excited to respond to Cassidy when it was Klobuchar next on the docket and everything just broke down from there.

    Fingers crossed for ending this thing with a dance off.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    The Republicans want Bernie to attack insurance companies so they can play it up as Bernie's government takeover vs their freedom plan and either way fuck ACA

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    I'll say it now. The big takeaway from this debate will be that Pharma and Insurance are ripping people off and that helps no one on the right. No one.

    edit: shit Graham just agreed that medicare negotiating power on drugs was a good idea and that he'll think about re-importation.

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    OMG Lindsay, there is no government bureaucrat hiding under your bed that's responsible for all of Obamacare's ills.

    And i'm willing to bet Lindsay Graham wouldn't shut Jake Tapper like he just shushed Dana Basch.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Graham just hand shushed Dana Basch.

    I know he's generally just a blowhard, but fuck that guy.

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2017
    Three cheers for MEDICARE

    And Graham tries to slip in that Medicare is failing too

    lol what no it isn't??

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    And now they're forcing everyone to sit.

    Aaaaaaand here comes Bernie back up.

    He's like a socialist weeble.

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    dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    I can't stand Graham talking. It's such a phony version of a perfectly normal accent. It's like some sort of folksy racist bible salesman. I've spent years in the south, the only people who actually sound like him are politicians. It has something to do with the feces that comes out of their faces rotting their vocal cords I think.

    When are the moderators going to moderate? 50% of the people on the stage aren't answering questions at all and they're letting people applause forever.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    I'll say it now. The big takeaway from this debate will be that Pharma and Insurance are ripping people off and that helps no one on the right. No one.

    edit: shit Graham just agreed that medicare negotiating power on drugs was a good idea and that he'll think about re-importation.

    Ron Howard voice :He won't

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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Ugh I'm not going to the presidents twitter feed to see what he vomited about this debate

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    dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    There's a lot of cheering for some blatantly awful catch phrases that are made up word salad and bullshit. Did CNN pack the audience or something?

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