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Swords and Spears: a {HEMA} Thread.

MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
edited October 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
Okay, I talk about this from the perspective of someone who is probably never going to be a part of it, but loves and supports it as well.

HEMA is Historical European Martial Arts, and is most famously practiced under the banner of the HEMA Alliance (https://www.hemaalliance.com/), an Umbrella group that supports the various clubs around the world (primarily America and Europe). There are multiple events held year-round involving HEMA, such as this, the 2016 Swordfish Open Longsword Finals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBbBI5mEvQc

Roman Blades, sabers, Claymore and the various schools of Longsword use are often spoken off in this form of fighting.
I admit to loving this very much, though sadly I am in no shape to take part really, but I have been studying it for my writing.

How many of you guys know about this stuff?

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  • FrankiedarlingFrankiedarling Registered User regular
    Italian Longsword checking in!

  • MeeqeMeeqe Lord of the pants most fancy Someplace amazingRegistered User regular
    Not hema here, but a great apprciation for them, I do SCA heavy (so stick fighting and our edge control is terrible I know) and have done a few rounds of Battle of Nations fighting with guys on the US squad. Always wanted to know more about the hema world, will definitely b watching this thread for interesting stuff.

  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    I found a good bit of information on the subject here.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/HistoricalEuropeanMartialArts

    (yes this site can be useful for something constructive at times)

  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I keep meaning to make it out to the local HEMA club but I just haven't made the time yet. I really should because I want to give it a try. I'm also out of shape since I last thought about it so one the one hand physical activities will be difficult but on the other It'll be good exercise through the winter.

  • doomybeardoomybear Hi People Registered User regular
    Lemme just plug Blood and Iron HEMA youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsBbd3QJ-IT2g8kSvq3r3RA/featured

    They got some pretty good stuff there!

    what a happy day it is
  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    Cool to see a new thread. Unfortunately I’m not aware of a HEMA cub near me as I’ve moved and can no longer train with my previous club.

  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    Bumping a bit instead of starting a new thread. I started doing German Longsword in August of 2016, so I'm just about at the year and a half mark! Below is a video of after a year of training, fighting our head instructor Ben (in blue). My measure sucks, my footwork gets sketchy, but compared to when I started I look like a completely different person!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4uCXJhLdok

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    I feel it's worthwhile to pimp this guy's channel on youtube if we're going to be discussing HEMA:
    https://youtube.com/user/SkallagrimNilsson

    Dude has reams and reams of video's discussing swordsmanship, issues with fantasy/anime style weaponry (I particularly like his discussions on clouds buster sword and why it makes no god damn sense), reviews of various weapons/armor and of course this series:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETLCm7k3sU
    followed by
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4X8lh_TM0
    And then their was:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlLbcubmfhk
    With acceptance in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpysvffSUM

  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    edited March 2018
    Skallagrim is all right, but he's not exactly the most...subtle person when talking about HEMA things. Recently had a long video about how using feints was bad and wrong and you should never do it, and then had to roll back a lot of things about what he said. Both in 10+ minute long videos. I think a little less quantity and a bit more quality would make his stuff nicer.

    For quality (and definitely not quantity...) I like Martin Fabian's instructional videos.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR9rN4_32Xw

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    I didn't exactly disagree with him RE feints. Feinting is a good tool to have in your back pocket regardless of how you're fighting, but the point I took away from his argument was that feints can leave you open. And that's true even in unarmed fighting. One of the things you have to think about whether sword or empty hand is inadvertantly advertising your tells. For example, you throw a feint to the head every time you go for the lead leg, or you always throw unterhau then use the momentum of the opponent's parry or setting off to rebound with an oberhau from the other side. Or even if you start using feints frequently then that can be exploited.

    Though the blanket statement "you shouldn't use feints" is wrong because it's too general of a statement, just like if someone says "you should never block or parry because you can just void instead" is wrong.

  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    Throwing a feint while in measure is almost never a good idea, unless you're 100% confident in your speed in case they do not take the bait, or unless you know the fighter well enough. Throwing a convincing fehlen while just out of measure is a GREAT way to gauge your opponent, see if they're skittish and not shy about aiming at your sword rather than your face.

  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    A little bump-y, but this Friday my HEMA club is holding an open house. We're in downtown Denver, and it's free and open to the public! I like to hang out and teach folks off the street, hand folks swords and get them excited about sword fighting. If anyone is in the Denver Metro I'd highly, highly recommend coming out.

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    Unfortunately the closest HEMA clubs to me are in Houston so I don't have anyone to train with. One of my grad school classmates stated interest in learning dagger when I brought it up but we are on the last month of the semester and they are too busy to train.

  • hawkboxhawkbox Registered User regular
    I find this stuff interesting but have to many other things going on to look into it to seriously. Like my Musket club, and my cannon club, which make swords irrelevant. :p Nah I'm joking, this stuff is pretty cool. Just nothing in my area.

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    hawkbox wrote: »
    I find this stuff interesting but have to many other things going on to look into it to seriously. Like my Musket club, and my cannon club, which make swords irrelevant. :p Nah I'm joking, this stuff is pretty cool. Just nothing in my area.

    A lot of clubs started with someone who bought a manual and some nylon wasters and started drilling and sparring. The club I started at did that for a while before I joined and by then the founding members had traveled, trained, sparred, and competed in tournaments with others and connected with other better established clubs. More often than not people involved with HEMA are welcoming to new people and open about helping others learn.

  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Exactly this. There are tons of resources to get started on your own or with a friend. It costs ~$50 to get 2 practice daggers and a historical dagger manual, and there's a first step into HEMA! There are also a few facebook groups that have used gear for sale or trade. @NSDFRand , if you ever make it up to Dallas during Texas travels, I know an instructor who runs a gym up there who's brilliant, and would love to have you by to say hello if you're ever around.

    edit: Also, this is a must check if you're interested in HEMA. Great resource with contact for almost every club associated with the HEMAA around the world.

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  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    Here are a couple of cool examples of short sparring clips, with some slo-mo to see what's going on and a little explanation of historical techniques from a local club!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4abyn790-Qs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUWU-UZvKM0

  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    My cousins husband and I have talked about getting into fencing, he has a bunch of the swords already I'd just need to get the mask and chest protector.

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    You can start training without sparring. In fact a coach would likely have you drilling for a bit before putting you in front of a sparring partner.

  • Lord PalingtonLord Palington he.him.his History-loving pal!Registered User regular
    Wombat!! wrote: »
    Exactly this. There are tons of resources to get started on your own or with a friend. It costs ~$50 to get 2 practice daggers and a historical dagger manual, and there's a first step into HEMA! There are also a few facebook groups that have used gear for sale or trade. NSDFRand , if you ever make it up to Dallas during Texas travels, I know an instructor who runs a gym up there who's brilliant, and would love to have you by to say hello if you're ever around.

    edit: Also, this is a must check if you're interested in HEMA. Great resource with contact for almost every club associated with the HEMAA around the world.

    Who is the guy you know in Dallas? I'm not too far and would love to get into HEMA.

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  • Wombat!!Wombat!! Registered User regular
    Wombat!! wrote: »
    Exactly this. There are tons of resources to get started on your own or with a friend. It costs ~$50 to get 2 practice daggers and a historical dagger manual, and there's a first step into HEMA! There are also a few facebook groups that have used gear for sale or trade. NSDFRand , if you ever make it up to Dallas during Texas travels, I know an instructor who runs a gym up there who's brilliant, and would love to have you by to say hello if you're ever around.

    edit: Also, this is a must check if you're interested in HEMA. Great resource with contact for almost every club associated with the HEMAA around the world.

    Who is the guy you know in Dallas? I'm not too far and would love to get into HEMA.

    Dallas School of Historical Fencing is the club, and Andrew Weems is the head instructor/awesome guy. He was the coach for my beginners course when I started in Denver, but he moved to Dallas for work last year and opened up his own club. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have had as my first guide into HEMA back in 2016. Tell him Liam sent you and misses having him around!

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