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The more I play the game the more I feel like armour sets don't make a lot of sense when one of your pieces is always gonna be an exotic that completely fucks up the aesthetic of the entire set.
re: New Monarchy, perfect leaders, "honest members of New Monarchy," "just remove the bad tenet....
Yep! New Monarchy as imagined can indeed be Fascists! Indeed, in reality, there are no perfect people, let alone perfect immortal god-kings!
That's the point. Negating all that removes the actual interesting factor in defining this factions - what are you willing to accept for their ideal premise to be rendered true?
Are you willing to accept that NM is Fascist, but can potentially be a Merit driven organization that knows they'll never install their absolute ruler, and in the meantime do great work that saves or helps what little remains of humanity? Is Fascism acceptable if it is the only way you keep the electricity on?
Are you willing to accept that FWC melts brains and is using Vex technology, but can potentially see the future and can save us all? Isn't that the definition of the ends justify the means, but set to an unknowable timescale so there is no sense of when the end is? Are all actions justifiable in light of the vaguest sense of extinction?
Are you willing to accept that DO abandons all semblance of home and community, but may be the only way to truly keep humanity alive by leave our solar system in the past? Is the past and all of our accomplishments trapping us in a dangerous past that must be abandoned?
I guess to me it's remembering that we're playing a sci-fi story set in a post-Golden Age world destroyed by an unknown force. And since it's a sci-fi story, there are some things that are not possible in our world, that are interesting thought experiments. And due to that, you apply a different viewpoint.
We're post Golden Age, where from the sounds of it, most of humanity's collective awfulness was majorly diminished.
(from Grimore: Golden Age) The Traveler changed everything. It reshaped our solar system as decisively as it shattered our scientific and philosophical frameworks. To our ancestors it must have been a hammerblow - a glimpse beyond the horizon of expected possibility and into a realm of transcendent power.
The Traveler kindled the Golden Age. But we built it. We remember this with pride, even after so much else has been lost. We settled our solar system and filled it with our work.
Today Cryptarchs and scholars work to distill the legends of the Golden Age into truth. We know that humans lived longer, flew further, and knew more. We know that countless ancient diseases and hatreds were extinguished forever. Human aspiration gives birth to vast engineering projects, sweeping social movements, and even new forms of life.
The Golden Age was not without challenges. Sources speak of internal strife, philosophical rifts- particularly around questions of machine intelligence and 'mind forking' - and enduring scientific enigmas. But humanity and its machine children tackled these problems with pride, vigor, and a contagious sense of pluralist compassion.
So we're living in a sci-fi world. And not just a sci-fi world, but one that is post-Golden Age where the nature of humanity itself changed. So. What's believable in this world?
A terraforming god-machine that forever changes the nature of mankind
Immortal zombie warriors with no sense of their past lives who wield ontological power
Humanity coming together and moving beyond their prejudices
A race of time-controlling robots who wish to rewrite the nature of reality and inject them as a base part of it.
A force that can imbue a client race with immortality in exchange for a dimension-spanning parasite force that makes you stronger through killing
Time and dimension travel
Races from across multiverses all speaking Englsh.
But an honest politician? What, that's unbelievable bullshit, get the fuck out of here.
Thanks again to Corrigan and company last night for the opportunity to yell "Dog Bottom" into a mic.
the only raid i've done so far was with a random 100 group, and they also said Dog Bottom and I wanted to be like "giant bomb, right?" but I was too worried they'd be like wtf are you talking about you goober
isn't the PC the only guardian that doesn't remember their past?
No. Almost no guardians remember their past. The only exceptions are the rare guardians who inherited their ghost from another guardian, rather than being ressurected from the dead.
Cayde only knows a tiny bit about his own past because he had his old journal on him when he was brought back, for example.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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dupe
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Also, they confirmed that the speakerhas no connection to the traveller, the human religion that rose around it is basically bullsh's voice actor is really expensive and they don't want to have to hire him back for a couple more years
The interesting thing with the factions is they clearly didn't want to make one the "good one" or the obvious choice. So instead of making them all relatable somehow they just decided to make them all some variety of bad and weird and objectionable. None of them are really good ones. It's nothing but fascists, weirdos and angsty types who's overall premise seems pretty stupid now.
It's all pick your poison.
It’s great. It’s also a shame that this level of nuance is completely absent from the main story.
Well yeah. It's clear, as with Blizzard games, that the people writing all the lore and incidental dialogue and all that are some talented writers in the writing department and the people putting together the main stories and campaigns are a bunch of hacks locked in a room somewhere to keep them away from real writers and original ideas.
The original story plans sounded way more intricate and in depth, but the suits said NO at the last minute and D1 was the result. I wonder if we could have had something more akin to Marathon if not for that.
From listening to Seth Dickinson interviews it also seems like most of the cool shit is retroactive construction by the flavour text writers.
Have we actually heard anything about the original story plans outside of them getting scrapped?
Nope, just the continued narrative that some mysterious money bag people (publishers) hurt the poor old little people (developers) and ruined their awesome story plans. Since Bungie hasn't been able to craft a good story since then, I have my doubts about the original being some great thing that was canned for unfair reasons.
The original story writers are gone, so all the new stories sucking don't necessarily reflect on them. Yes, it's possible that old story sucked and which is why it was scrapped.
However, publishers make bad story decisions all the time. For example, this is how Fox marketed the gritty space-western Firefly and how they pressured Whedon to change it to fit:
“The most twisted new show on television.” Several promos strung together jokes about a “flighty pilot” (Wash), a “space cowboy” (Mal), a “cosmic hooker” (Inara), and a “girl in a box” (River, referencing a plot point from the pilot episode the network refused to air), tied together with the tag line “Out there? Oh, it’s out there!”
So yeah, the first D1 story may not have been some modern day epic, but it sounded at least coherent. I can't even summarize D1's actual story or review in a sentence. Ooooh, that sounds like a fun game.
IGN: "Destiny is a mechanically excellent, visually evocative FPS housed within an under-developed RPG framework" Kotaku: "In the space of about five minutes, Destiny has summarized itself. The pull of the slot machines may be strong, but this casino has a hell of a dance floor." Trojan: "Destiny 1, where you are a mindless genocidal magic space zombie for reasons we don't have time to explain."
I'm betting the original D1 story was worse than the D2 story but better than what we got for D1 release. I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that it was worse than D2 because they made a concerted effort for D2 to include a story and had 3 years to revise their original D1 material for D2.
Though, if I want to be highly cynical, what happened to D1's story sounds Bungie-esque in that they release snippets of ideas and let the community build the rest, which ends up hinting at something greater than is actually there. It's been that way since the beginning and continues to be that way for D2.
- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
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- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
Option D - Dance Party!!!!!
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
But there is no individual to perfect that they should be given absolute power, and that doesn't seem like it's gonna stop NM from trying to elect someone they consider close enough.
On the contrary:
Above all, Executors must cultivate perceptiveness, for without this, kings and queens might walk before our faces and we would not see. — Vol. 3
We pursue an unrealized ideal, but we do so clearly, without illusions. — Vol. 9
The time to walk away from a poor candidate is before the crown is offered. Executors must test and dismiss many thousands without guarantee of success. Vol. 10
Opportunities will arise to profit from our mission, to accrue personal power and wealth. Decline them. — Vol. 12
In seeking a true leader, the Executor must test the hear of each candidate, sifting through the weak, foolish, and evil for the good. — Vol. 13
In your long search, remember that true leaders inspire others to follow. Tyrants may exercise petty power, but they will be abandoned before long. — Vol. 13
That totally all reads like "find the first decent sucker we can put on the throne, since obviously they'll pass a unanimous vote of every faction on the Consensus." Oh wait no it doesn't.
(Yes of course, these are just words, but so are anything right).
The lack of a perfect individual is the main point. They're going to be doing all their work with the liklihood of never finding someone who would pass the unanimous vote all factions, particularly the Vanguard and Speaker.
If they could find a perfect individual, would it be problematic that they became a monarch? I think if I recall in D1 their closest candidate was Zavala.
But the Zavala thing proves my point! Zavala's a great guy, but he's still not literally perfect in such a way that he should be trusted with absolute power, yet NM asked him to be their candidate anyway.
I think it's very optimistic to apply peacetime freedoms like democracy during a war-against-extermination. New Monarchy is certainly fascist, but when people are coming to kill you and everyone you know, democracy usually takes a backseat.
Are they fascists? Yes. But if you want to save earth/traveler or believe the Darkness will just follow us to the next system, DO is out. And if you don't want to become Vex simulant milkslaves in a Donnie Darko paradox, FWC is out. I, for one, welcome our new blue bald overlord. Can't wait to hear his stepped-into-a-war speech.
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I think irl I'd probably have to go with Dead Orbit.
NM is out for the obvious reasons.
FWC are based on assumptions that have exceedingly troubling implications if they are incorrect. They're basically the new Oracle of Delphi, but substituting for the divine a technological inspiration... but it could just as easily have a parallel to the toxological. War is a constant may be descriptive of all the possibilities that they have observed, but that those observations are 1) reliable and 2) representative of the actual probability space seems to be an ideological belief.
DO have a good point: we don't know anything about the Traveler. Why are we so sure that we are better off with it than without it? Why do Guardians have their memories erased? What is actually the deal with the connection between us and the Traveler via the Ghosts? Why is it here, how does it work, what is it.
I don't necessarily know that I agree with the running away bit, but unless we are willing to participate in a religion that declares that the Traveler is God don't @ me, I think I'm left with joining the skeptics.
- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
Sure. Lets be pithy.
An extinction flood is coming. Do you:
- Build arks (Dead Orbit)
- Engineer flood mitigation (New Monarchy)
- Punch the Ocean (Future War Cult)
Civilization nearly collapsed. How does humanity survive?
- Diaspora (Dead Orbit)
- Camelot (New Monarchy)
- Sparta (Future War Cult)
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
Sure. Lets be pithy.
An extinction flood is coming. Do you:
- Build arks (Dead Orbit)
- Engineer flood mitigation (New Monarchy)
- Punch the Ocean (Future War Cult)
Civilization nearly collapsed. How does humanity survive?
- Diaspora (Dead Orbit)
- Camelot (New Monarchy)
- Sparta (Future War Cult)
I mean we could always go back to talking about unsatisfying end-game/PVP balance/Prestige Raids/Pulse Grenades/Recovery/why the hell they haven't remade Felwinter's Lie into a sweet-ass Exotic shotgun now that shotties are Power Weapons......
TBF, that FWC is the best is kind of a given. So your conversation is mostly academic. :P
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Do not go gentle into that good ocean
Old Titans should burn and rave at close of day;
Punch, punch against the thrashing of the ocean.
Though wise Vanguard at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good ocean.
Good Warlocks, the last wave by, crying how deep
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Punch, punch against the thrashing of the ocean.
Wild Hunters who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good ocean.
Grave Guardians, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Punch, punch against the thrashing of the ocean.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
Sure. Lets be pithy.
An extinction flood is coming. Do you:
- Build arks (Dead Orbit)
- Engineer flood mitigation (New Monarchy)
- Punch the Ocean (Future War Cult)
Civilization nearly collapsed. How does humanity survive?
- Diaspora (Dead Orbit)
- Camelot (New Monarchy)
- Sparta (Future War Cult)
That was my earlier point though! Say I have a political party, and my main agenda is to combat global warming, but I've called my party "The Autocratic Regime". That is literally what the New Monarchy you are describing have done.
(Also arks only worked for Noah because he had it on good authority that the water would go down at some point :P)
- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
Sure. Lets be pithy.
An extinction flood is coming. Do you:
- Build arks (Dead Orbit)
- Engineer flood mitigation (New Monarchy)
- Punch the Ocean (Future War Cult)
Civilization nearly collapsed. How does humanity survive?
- Diaspora (Dead Orbit)
- Camelot (New Monarchy)
- Sparta (Future War Cult)
That was my earlier point though! Say I have a political party, and my main agenda is to combat global warming, but I've called my party "The Autocratic Regime". That is literally what the New Monarchy you are describing have done.
(Also arks only worked for Noah because he had it on good authority that the water would go down at some point :P)
You will get no argument from me that New Monarchy has some shitty PR. PR probably died in the Golden Age. They could really use some rebranding as the Policy oriented Faction rather than just FASCISM YAY.
(Yeah Dead Orbits belief is hampered by the notion that the Darkness would just like, give uo after destroying the Traveler rather than exterminate humanity elsewhere.)
Like, what does FWC actually propose people do with their time? Ok yeah, a vague extinction war is happening at some point, but how does that translate into day to day living until that war arrives? What does an FWC work week look like?
Hell even Rasputin took some cycles to chill and listen to classical music.
(I also admit I just dislike their logo/color scheme and would be way more supportive if they also rebranded)
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But an honest politician? What, that's unbelievable bullshit, get the fuck out of here.
I think a point a lot here are saying, even if they are a good person a single person ruling for a very long time(if human) or possible forever (if guardian) is a bad idea. Rezyl Azzir are one of the best early guardians, a key figure in the founding of the city and humanity's survival during the dark age. Probably someone they would have tried to make their leader. And if they had the city probably would have been destroyed.
Secrets, lies, and tragedy. The trifecta.
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re: New Monarchy, perfect leaders, "honest members of New Monarchy," "just remove the bad tenet....
Yep! New Monarchy as imagined can indeed be Fascists! Indeed, in reality, there are no perfect people, let alone perfect immortal god-kings!
That's the point. Negating all that removes the actual interesting factor in defining this factions - what are you willing to accept for their ideal premise to be rendered true?
Are you willing to accept that NM is Fascist, but can potentially be a Merit driven organization that knows they'll never install their absolute ruler, and in the meantime do great work that saves or helps what little remains of humanity? Is Fascism acceptable if it is the only way you keep the electricity on?
Are you willing to accept that FWC melts brains and is using Vex technology, but can potentially see the future and can save us all? Isn't that the definition of the ends justify the means, but set to an unknowable timescale so there is no sense of when the end is? Are all actions justifiable in light of the vaguest sense of extinction?
Are you willing to accept that DO abandons all semblance of home and community, but may be the only way to truly keep humanity alive by leave our solar system in the past? Is the past and all of our accomplishments trapping us in a dangerous past that must be abandoned?
I guess to me it's remembering that we're playing a sci-fi story set in a post-Golden Age world destroyed by an unknown force. And since it's a sci-fi story, there are some things that are not possible in our world, that are interesting thought experiments. And due to that, you apply a different viewpoint.
We're post Golden Age, where from the sounds of it, most of humanity's collective awfulness was majorly diminished.
(from Grimore: Golden Age) The Traveler changed everything. It reshaped our solar system as decisively as it shattered our scientific and philosophical frameworks. To our ancestors it must have been a hammerblow - a glimpse beyond the horizon of expected possibility and into a realm of transcendent power.
The Traveler kindled the Golden Age. But we built it. We remember this with pride, even after so much else has been lost. We settled our solar system and filled it with our work.
Today Cryptarchs and scholars work to distill the legends of the Golden Age into truth. We know that humans lived longer, flew further, and knew more. We know that countless ancient diseases and hatreds were extinguished forever. Human aspiration gives birth to vast engineering projects, sweeping social movements, and even new forms of life.
The Golden Age was not without challenges. Sources speak of internal strife, philosophical rifts- particularly around questions of machine intelligence and 'mind forking' - and enduring scientific enigmas. But humanity and its machine children tackled these problems with pride, vigor, and a contagious sense of pluralist compassion.
So we're living in a sci-fi world. And not just a sci-fi world, but one that is post-Golden Age where the nature of humanity itself changed. So. What's believable in this world?
A terraforming god-machine that forever changes the nature of mankind
Immortal zombie warriors with no sense of their past lives who wield ontological power
Humanity coming together and moving beyond their prejudices
A race of time-controlling robots who wish to rewrite the nature of reality and inject them as a base part of it.
A force that can imbue a client race with immortality in exchange for a dimension-spanning parasite force that makes you stronger through killing
Time and dimension travel
Races from across multiverses all speaking Englsh.
But an honest politician? What, that's unbelievable bullshit, get the fuck out of here.
Yes.
Sorry, was this supposed to be an indication that this idea was silly? Cause it's not. It's literally the basis for good characterization in writing. It may be the far future or the distant past or some fantasy scenario or whatever, but people are still people. There is no perfect ruler.
And they asked Zavala anyway, so that's about the level of their standards.
Like, what does FWC actually propose people do with their time? Ok yeah, a vague extinction war is happening at some point, but how does that translate into day to day living until that war arrives? What does an FWC work week look like?
Sunday: North Pacific
Monday: South Pacific
Tuesday: Arctic
Wednesday: Indian
Thursday: North Atlantic
Friday: South Atlantic
Saturday: Southern
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Respectfully disagree.
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Nope! You just won't get loot.
also if you're fireteam leader on those future groups you'll be able to keep going from where you left off instead of starting over
Law and Order ≠ Justice
Yep! New Monarchy as imagined can indeed be Fascists! Indeed, in reality, there are no perfect people, let alone perfect immortal god-kings!
That's the point. Negating all that removes the actual interesting factor in defining this factions - what are you willing to accept for their ideal premise to be rendered true?
Are you willing to accept that NM is Fascist, but can potentially be a Merit driven organization that knows they'll never install their absolute ruler, and in the meantime do great work that saves or helps what little remains of humanity? Is Fascism acceptable if it is the only way you keep the electricity on?
Are you willing to accept that FWC melts brains and is using Vex technology, but can potentially see the future and can save us all? Isn't that the definition of the ends justify the means, but set to an unknowable timescale so there is no sense of when the end is? Are all actions justifiable in light of the vaguest sense of extinction?
Are you willing to accept that DO abandons all semblance of home and community, but may be the only way to truly keep humanity alive by leave our solar system in the past? Is the past and all of our accomplishments trapping us in a dangerous past that must be abandoned?
I guess to me it's remembering that we're playing a sci-fi story set in a post-Golden Age world destroyed by an unknown force. And since it's a sci-fi story, there are some things that are not possible in our world, that are interesting thought experiments. And due to that, you apply a different viewpoint.
We're post Golden Age, where from the sounds of it, most of humanity's collective awfulness was majorly diminished.
The Traveler kindled the Golden Age. But we built it. We remember this with pride, even after so much else has been lost. We settled our solar system and filled it with our work.
Today Cryptarchs and scholars work to distill the legends of the Golden Age into truth. We know that humans lived longer, flew further, and knew more. We know that countless ancient diseases and hatreds were extinguished forever. Human aspiration gives birth to vast engineering projects, sweeping social movements, and even new forms of life.
The Golden Age was not without challenges. Sources speak of internal strife, philosophical rifts- particularly around questions of machine intelligence and 'mind forking' - and enduring scientific enigmas. But humanity and its machine children tackled these problems with pride, vigor, and a contagious sense of pluralist compassion.
So we're living in a sci-fi world. And not just a sci-fi world, but one that is post-Golden Age where the nature of humanity itself changed. So. What's believable in this world?
But an honest politician? What, that's unbelievable bullshit, get the fuck out of here.
the only raid i've done so far was with a random 100 group, and they also said Dog Bottom and I wanted to be like "giant bomb, right?" but I was too worried they'd be like wtf are you talking about you goober
You can only get loot once per character. It has nothing to do with who's in your group.
the string of lore I saw was that guardians are raised from the dead with no idea who they were before.
No. Almost no guardians remember their past. The only exceptions are the rare guardians who inherited their ghost from another guardian, rather than being ressurected from the dead.
Cayde only knows a tiny bit about his own past because he had his old journal on him when he was brought back, for example.
But I played that on console and then switched, so I'm going with my ghost forgot.
I'm betting the original D1 story was worse than the D2 story but better than what we got for D1 release. I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that it was worse than D2 because they made a concerted effort for D2 to include a story and had 3 years to revise their original D1 material for D2.
Though, if I want to be highly cynical, what happened to D1's story sounds Bungie-esque in that they release snippets of ideas and let the community build the rest, which ends up hinting at something greater than is actually there. It's been that way since the beginning and continues to be that way for D2.
- Run and Hide (Dead Orbit)
- Stand and Fight (Future War Cult)
- The best form of governance is a benevolent dictatorship, for the following reasons; firstly- (New Monarchy)
Option D - Dance Party!!!!!
I think it's very optimistic to apply peacetime freedoms like democracy during a war-against-extermination. New Monarchy is certainly fascist, but when people are coming to kill you and everyone you know, democracy usually takes a backseat.
Are they fascists? Yes. But if you want to save earth/traveler or believe the Darkness will just follow us to the next system, DO is out. And if you don't want to become Vex simulant milkslaves in a Donnie Darko paradox, FWC is out. I, for one, welcome our new blue bald overlord. Can't wait to hear his stepped-into-a-war speech.
NM is out for the obvious reasons.
FWC are based on assumptions that have exceedingly troubling implications if they are incorrect. They're basically the new Oracle of Delphi, but substituting for the divine a technological inspiration... but it could just as easily have a parallel to the toxological. War is a constant may be descriptive of all the possibilities that they have observed, but that those observations are 1) reliable and 2) representative of the actual probability space seems to be an ideological belief.
DO have a good point: we don't know anything about the Traveler. Why are we so sure that we are better off with it than without it? Why do Guardians have their memories erased? What is actually the deal with the connection between us and the Traveler via the Ghosts? Why is it here, how does it work, what is it.
I don't necessarily know that I agree with the running away bit, but unless we are willing to participate in a religion that declares that the Traveler is God don't @ me, I think I'm left with joining the skeptics.
Better dead than red.
Law and Order ≠ Justice
Sure. Lets be pithy.
An extinction flood is coming. Do you:
- Build arks (Dead Orbit)
- Engineer flood mitigation (New Monarchy)
- Punch the Ocean (Future War Cult)
Civilization nearly collapsed. How does humanity survive?
- Diaspora (Dead Orbit)
- Camelot (New Monarchy)
- Sparta (Future War Cult)
My favorite Dethklok song.
I mean we could always go back to talking about unsatisfying end-game/PVP balance/Prestige Raids/Pulse Grenades/Recovery/why the hell they haven't remade Felwinter's Lie into a sweet-ass Exotic shotgun now that shotties are Power Weapons......
FWC is the best.
More like Thread Derailer, amiright? :rotate:
(Destiny) Doot Doot, Shoot Brutes for New Boots, Woot Woot for Rad Suits and Phat Loots
TBF, that FWC is the best is kind of a given. So your conversation is mostly academic. :P
Old Titans should burn and rave at close of day;
Punch, punch against the thrashing of the ocean.
Though wise Vanguard at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good ocean.
Good Warlocks, the last wave by, crying how deep
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Punch, punch against the thrashing of the ocean.
Wild Hunters who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good ocean.
Grave Guardians, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Punch, punch against the thrashing of the ocean.
That was my earlier point though! Say I have a political party, and my main agenda is to combat global warming, but I've called my party "The Autocratic Regime". That is literally what the New Monarchy you are describing have done.
(Also arks only worked for Noah because he had it on good authority that the water would go down at some point :P)
We need a destiny fashion tournament.
You will get no argument from me that New Monarchy has some shitty PR. PR probably died in the Golden Age. They could really use some rebranding as the Policy oriented Faction rather than just FASCISM YAY.
(Yeah Dead Orbits belief is hampered by the notion that the Darkness would just like, give uo after destroying the Traveler rather than exterminate humanity elsewhere.)
Like, what does FWC actually propose people do with their time? Ok yeah, a vague extinction war is happening at some point, but how does that translate into day to day living until that war arrives? What does an FWC work week look like?
Hell even Rasputin took some cycles to chill and listen to classical music.
(I also admit I just dislike their logo/color scheme and would be way more supportive if they also rebranded)
I think a point a lot here are saying, even if they are a good person a single person ruling for a very long time(if human) or possible forever (if guardian) is a bad idea. Rezyl Azzir are one of the best early guardians, a key figure in the founding of the city and humanity's survival during the dark age. Probably someone they would have tried to make their leader. And if they had the city probably would have been destroyed.
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Xbone Tag: Salal al Din
Yes.
Sorry, was this supposed to be an indication that this idea was silly? Cause it's not. It's literally the basis for good characterization in writing. It may be the far future or the distant past or some fantasy scenario or whatever, but people are still people. There is no perfect ruler.
And they asked Zavala anyway, so that's about the level of their standards.
Sunday: North Pacific
Monday: South Pacific
Tuesday: Arctic
Wednesday: Indian
Thursday: North Atlantic
Friday: South Atlantic
Saturday: Southern
Holy balls.