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Leadership Problems at the CFPB

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    That seems to be part of their goal. Did anything ever come of all the " acting directors" that were in their positions after the time they were legally able to passed?

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Great, well English might as well start packing up her desk then if a Trump crony is in charge of the case of whether another Trump crony gets put in a position they have no qualifications for.

    Well, at least there's an appeals process?

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    The legal gymnastics on the refusal to grant a TRO are going to be "fun".

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Knight_ wrote: »
    The legal gymnastics on the refusal to grant a TRO are going to be "fun".

    When you create a written constitution and over time put final power in the hands of courts, sophistry, barratry, shenanigans and hypocritical chutzpah are bound to become the coin of the realm. This is the price of power. I got red pilled with Bush v Gore, but I soon realized that, unlike War Games, with politics the sure fire way to lose is to refuse to play. The equilibrium is maintained by civil servants who realize that blowing the whole thing up will also blow up their sinecures, but these days things are looking pretty grim.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    The legal gymnastics on the refusal to grant a TRO are going to be "fun".

    When you create a written constitution and over time put final power in the hands of courts, sophistry, barratry, shenanigans and hypocritical chutzpah are bound to become the coin of the realm. This is the price of power. I got red pilled with Bush v Gore, but I soon realized that, unlike War Games, with politics the sure fire way to lose is to refuse to play. The equilibrium is maintained by civil servants who realize that blowing the whole thing up will also blow up their sinecures, but these days things are looking pretty grim.

    Running an understaffed and budget sequestrationed Federal agency to combat the best lawyers money can buy while you're stuck hiring on the General Schedule can be called many things, but a sinecure it isn't.

  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Huh, so the latest Pod Save America has Elisabeth Warren on it.

    Apparently the vacancies act explicitly says that it does not apply to agencies founded according to statute passed after the vacancies law was passed, that have explicit succession plans.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Huh, so the latest Pod Save America has Elisabeth Warren on it.

    Apparently the vacancies act explicitly says that it does not apply to agencies founded according to statute passed after the vacancies law was passed, that have explicit succession plans.

    Of which I imagine the CFPB fits this criteria pretty much to a T?

    Meaning Trump has absolutely no legal bearing?

  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Yes, it was originally conceived of with acting directors to be appointed according to the vacancies act, but they changed it in the final version to prevent exactly this.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Javen wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    Huh, so the latest Pod Save America has Elisabeth Warren on it.

    Apparently the vacancies act explicitly says that it does not apply to agencies founded according to statute passed after the vacancies law was passed, that have explicit succession plans.

    Of which I imagine the CFPB fits this criteria pretty much to a T?

    Meaning Trump has absolutely no legal bearing?

    He never had a legal bearing. No law can override subsequent law. The vacancies act could not affect agencies created with legislatively explicit succession post vacancies signing even if it contained no language as such because the entire concept of law does not work if subsequent legislation does not have precedence.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular

    Knight_ wrote: »
    The legal gymnastics on the refusal to grant a TRO are going to be "fun".

    The Judge after a hearing yesterday declined to issue a restraining order or deny one, saying he “needed more time to review the law on the matter.”

    Given that the relevant law on the matter would fit on the front and back of a loose leaf sheet of paper I am guessing this is a stall.

    No clue on if there is a statutory time limit on deliberations or if he can just do this forever.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    The legal gymnastics on the refusal to grant a TRO are going to be "fun".

    The Judge after a hearing yesterday declined to issue a restraining order or deny one, saying he “needed more time to review the law on the matter.”

    Given that the relevant law on the matter would fit on the front and back of a loose leaf sheet of paper I am guessing this is a stall.

    No clue on if there is a statutory time limit on deliberations or if he can just do this forever.

    Stall long enough with Mulvaney occupying the office and "well, in this case it causes less harm to let him stay" becomes a reasonable argument. Or he just might be trying to come up with a way to rule in favor of Trump.

    But the case was heard late enough yesterday I'm theoretically okay with a ruling early today.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Lady night on Maddow she said that the Justice department hadn’t filed their brief for the case yet, so that might also be part of the reason for the delay.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Lady night on Maddow she said that the Justice department hadn’t filed their brief for the case yet, so that might also be part of the reason for the delay.

    the judge should have still put an injunction on new leadership coming in then

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    McConnell could make the whole thing moot with one vote, the cfpb is a filibuster proof confirmation. That this was not done already as soon as it became obvious this was going to happen is interesting.

  • LabelLabel Registered User regular
    McConnell also has a full schedule. One that cannot tolerate democrats using delay tactics like requiring unanimous consent for things like senate confirmations, even though they cannot straight-up filibuster that appointment.

    Anyone know how an appeal of a ruling would play out?

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Wapo (via apple news, cannot find on net) is reporting that the Judge has ruled against English

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Wapo (via apple news, cannot find on net) is reporting that the Judge has ruled against English

    we knew he would as he was a trump appointed judge

    hopefully the appeals court cares about the law

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    baffling as fuck. the statutory language is clear as day.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    baffling as fuck. the statutory language is clear as day.

    It's not baffling at all. trump was allowed to appoint judges so he chose the ones that hate the law. same as he did for all of his cabinet picks.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Well, fuck. Wish I was surprised.

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    baffling as fuck. the statutory language is clear as day.

    and it is bananas and counter to the spirit of the constitution that the President's appointment powers include the interim appointment of a director without Senate confirmation. There is no technical recess appointment loophole here anyway, this is just a contravention of the direct intentions of the Congress that wrote the bill--which we know, because those officials are still alive and reporting on their intentions. I hope this raises serious questions of separation of powers in the appellate court--provided they appeal--because this represents yet another unwarranted power grab for the executive. This is one of those cases where even the most die-hard originalist should nervously cough and tug at their judicial collars if they have to argue that the intent of the Federal Vacancies Act supersedes the intent of Dodd-Frank.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Wapo (via apple news, cannot find on net) is reporting that the Judge has ruled against English

    In both meanings.

  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Wapo (via apple news, cannot find on net) is reporting that the Judge has ruled against English

    Anyone seeing a written judgement anywhere?

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Wapo (via apple news, cannot find on net) is reporting that the Judge has ruled against English

    Anyone seeing a written judgement anywhere?

    He ruled from the bench, which I believe means no written anything yet.
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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    From what I can tell, the judge ruled against English's request that he block Mulvaney from serving while the case is being decided in court--does this indicate that he reached a verdict on the merits of the case, or is it an independent procedural question?

  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    So what are the odds that Mulvaney tries to fire English before this is definitively settled?

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    So what are the odds that Mulvaney tries to fire English before this is definitively settled?

    My serious response to this is I think it's highly likely.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    baffling as fuck. the statutory language is clear as day.

    and it is bananas and counter to the spirit of the constitution that the President's appointment powers include the interim appointment of a director without Senate confirmation. There is no technical recess appointment loophole here anyway, this is just a contravention of the direct intentions of the Congress that wrote the bill--which we know, because those officials are still alive and reporting on their intentions. I hope this raises serious questions of separation of powers in the appellate court--provided they appeal--because this represents yet another unwarranted power grab for the executive. This is one of those cases where even the most die-hard originalist should nervously cough and tug at their judicial collars if they have to argue that the intent of the Federal Vacancies Act supersedes the intent of Dodd-Frank.

    Yeah, but you can't count on the Courts to actually get involved in this shit because as much as many are working within rulings to keep shit in check, they still display no interest in the larger issue of the corruption of the judiciary via appointments and general fuckery.

    We'll have to see how this case shakes out though to at least keep rearranging those chairs.

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