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Congressional Sexual Harassment Allegations, Investigations, and Resignations

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    OneAngryPossumOneAngryPossum Registered User regular
    edited March 2018
    Lawyer apparently didn’t go public with this earlier at the request of his client, which I appreciate knowing.

    One of the released phone calls is delightful. The attorney being bribed is loudly crushing antibiotics for his horse for the duration of the call and says he’d like to meet Bannon because he wants to meet a “real life conspiracy theorist.” Discomfort from the guy offering the bribe is palpable.

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    does Stephanie Cliffords/Stormy Daniels as a topic go in here? because transcripts of the 60 Minutes interview are now out...

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    does Stephanie Cliffords/Stormy Daniels as a topic go in here? because transcripts of the 60 Minutes interview are now out...

    The interview itself will be happening in about a month, when this basketball game ends.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Here's the interview:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stormy-daniels-describes-her-alleged-affair-with-donald-trump-60-minutes-interview/

    Has there been any official word on a legal investigation for the campaign finance issues, here?

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    DedmanWalkinDedmanWalkin Registered User regular
    Does a prenuptial agreement protect you when you have proof that one party committed infidelity? Could Melania use this as a means to extract money from Trump and leaving him?

    Has a sitting President ever had their wife leave them?

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    ZythonZython Registered User regular
    Does a prenuptial agreement protect you when you have proof that one party committed infidelity? Could Melania use this as a means to extract money from Trump and leaving him?

    Has a sitting President ever had their wife leave them?

    Usually not, yes, and no.

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    NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    I realize it's probably the other meaning of the word being used, but get in line Stormy, plenty of people are seeking that.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    They're using the Clinton scandal from the 90s as precedent. My mind is fucking blown right now.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    They're using the Clinton scandal from the 90s as precedent. My mind is fucking blown right now.

    This pleases me

    *steeples hands*

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    NEO|Phyte wrote: »
    I realize it's probably the other meaning of the word being used, but get in line Stormy, plenty of people are seeking that.

    In this case, Trump is not the one being sued. Cohen is. For defamation.

    He can't claim the 5th Amendment, because he's not the one being incriminated. He can't claim executive privilege, because this all happened before he was president. He can't even claim attorney/client privilege, because Cohen says that he was acting on his own behalf and not on behalf of Donald Trump.

    But if Trump doesn't testify, then Cohen has no defense for the defamation claim. If Trump tries to claim attorney/client privilege, then he admits that Cohen was acting on his behalf, the lack of a signature invalidates the NDA, and Trump's campaign is guilty of spending campaign funds for the NDA without reporting it.

    Keep in mind that all of this could have been avoided if Trump/Cohen had simply allowed Stormy to back out of her NDA and tell her story. At that point, it would be "he said, she said," and both parties would be preaching to their respective choirs.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Don't know if this was mentioned, but it turns out that Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels were both represented by the same lawyer (Davidson), and now there's reason to believe that he was colluding directly with the Trump campaign. Mainly because he contacted Cohen immediately after the McDougal contract, even though Cohen/Trump weren't parties to that case.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    NEO|Phyte wrote: »
    I realize it's probably the other meaning of the word being used, but get in line Stormy, plenty of people are seeking that.

    In this case, Trump is not the one being sued. Cohen is. For defamation.

    He can't claim the 5th Amendment, because he's not the one being incriminated. He can't claim executive privilege, because this all happened before he was president. He can't even claim attorney/client privilege, because Cohen says that he was acting on his own behalf and not on behalf of Donald Trump.

    But if Trump doesn't testify, then Cohen has no defense for the defamation claim. If Trump tries to claim attorney/client privilege, then he admits that Cohen was acting on his behalf, the lack of a signature invalidates the NDA, and Trump's campaign is guilty of spending campaign funds for the NDA without reporting it.

    Keep in mind that all of this could have been avoided if Trump/Cohen had simply allowed Stormy to back out of her NDA and tell her story. At that point, it would be "he said, she said," and both parties would be preaching to their respective choirs.

    this is fantastic

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    RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Yeah, the added insight that you guys always bring and how concisely worded it is is much appreciated.

    I'm sure everyone else who mostly lurks or is simply not as politically and/or legally savvy feels the same.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

    If Republicans stop publicly backing him, it'll be much easier to get real charges to stick to him.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

    It didn’t bring Bill Clinton down. Conventional sleaze isn’t enough. What it *can* do is waste his time and make him furious, so go Stormy!

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

    It didn’t bring Bill Clinton down. Conventional sleaze isn’t enough. What it *can* do is waste his time and make him furious, so go Stormy!
    It won't bring him down in a vacuum, but it's like jothki pointed out; it will (or, y'know, should) make Republicans outraged enough to not come to his defense blindly anymore.

    That aside I enjoy Republicans once again having to choose between consistency of their core values vs the power they want to hold.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

    It didn’t bring Bill Clinton down. Conventional sleaze isn’t enough. What it *can* do is waste his time and make him furious, so go Stormy!
    It won't bring him down in a vacuum, but it's like jothki pointed out; it will (or, y'know, should) make Republicans outraged enough to not come to his defense blindly anymore.

    That aside I enjoy Republicans once again having to choose between consistency of their core values vs the power they want to hold.

    It's the power. It's ALWAYS the power. It is literally all they care about.

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    LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
    NEO|Phyte wrote: »
    I realize it's probably the other meaning of the word being used, but get in line Stormy, plenty of people are seeking that.

    In this case, Trump is not the one being sued. Cohen is. For defamation.

    He can't claim the 5th Amendment, because he's not the one being incriminated. He can't claim executive privilege, because this all happened before he was president. He can't even claim attorney/client privilege, because Cohen says that he was acting on his own behalf and not on behalf of Donald Trump.

    But if Trump doesn't testify, then Cohen has no defense for the defamation claim. If Trump tries to claim attorney/client privilege, then he admits that Cohen was acting on his behalf, the lack of a signature invalidates the NDA, and Trump's campaign is guilty of spending campaign funds for the NDA without reporting it.

    Keep in mind that all of this could have been avoided if Trump/Cohen had simply allowed Stormy to back out of her NDA and tell her story. At that point, it would be "he said, she said," and both parties would be preaching to their respective choirs.

    I feel like this fits your username.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Avenatti isn't targeting Trump the president. He's targeting Cohen the lawyer. The GOP have neither the means nor the will to protect him. But if he goes down, then it opens up a lot of skeletons in trumps closet from before he got elected president.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

    Think of it as pulling out bricks in a game of Jenga. You never really know which brick will be the last before the tower of corruption, rape and treason crumbles, and really it doesn't matter all that much. What matters is how long it takes. So the sooner (and harder) those bricks are yanked away, the better.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited March 2018
    Trump also has a history of using BS NDA's in general in order to keep people silent about his corruption. He even forced people to sign NDAs in his campaign, and if they want a job at a white house.

    Tearing apart his NDA with Stormy Daniels would basically open the floodgates for other people as well.

    Trump is willing to attack Mueller and the FBI and the "Deep State" constantly. But he's yet to publicly attack Stormy or Avenatti.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Michael Cohens lawyer was on CNN last night stating that Donald Trump had absolutely no knowledge of the NDA, or the payments or anything. Which, if that's the defense they want to use, then Daniels should be free to say whatever she wants because Trump was never involved in a contract with her.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Every sitting female Senator - Democratic and Republican - are demanding that McConnell act on sexual harassment legislation:
    On Wednesday, 22 women senators, both Republicans and Democrats — every single sitting female member of the Senate — wrote a letter to Senate leadership demanding the legislation go up for a vote on the Senate floor.

    “Inaction is unacceptable when a survey shows that four out of 10 women congressional staffers believe that sexual harassment is a problem on Capitol Hill,” the letter reads, “and one out of six women in the same survey responded that they have been the survivors of sexual harassment.”

    The letter, sent Wednesday to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, blasts Senate leadership for stonewalling on reforms to the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995, the legislation that sets forth sexual harassment guidance and policies for congressional offices and members.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Looks like the deposition is on hold. Avenatti can't file until after Cohen completes the paperwork for arbitration -- which he hasn't done yet.

    Of course, without arbitration, Cohen has no way to try to enforce the NDA. So he's kind of stuck.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Looks like the deposition is on hold. Avenatti can't file until after Cohen completes the paperwork for arbitration -- which he hasn't done yet.

    Of course, without arbitration, Cohen has no way to try to enforce the NDA. So he's kind of stuck.
    So basically Trump has been outmaneuvered here?

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Looks like the deposition is on hold. Avenatti can't file until after Cohen completes the paperwork for arbitration -- which he hasn't done yet.

    Of course, without arbitration, Cohen has no way to try to enforce the NDA. So he's kind of stuck.
    So basically Trump has been outmaneuvered here?

    Trump has absolutely no involvement in this suit, wink.

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    LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
    Looks like the deposition is on hold. Avenatti can't file until after Cohen completes the paperwork for arbitration -- which he hasn't done yet.

    Of course, without arbitration, Cohen has no way to try to enforce the NDA. So he's kind of stuck.
    Can Cohen keep things at a stalemate or can the court force his hand?

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    LoisLane wrote: »
    Looks like the deposition is on hold. Avenatti can't file until after Cohen completes the paperwork for arbitration -- which he hasn't done yet.

    Of course, without arbitration, Cohen has no way to try to enforce the NDA. So he's kind of stuck.
    Can Cohen keep things at a stalemate or can the court force his hand?

    Cohen can could simply release Stormy from the contract altogether.

    Normally, I'd say he's too pig headed to do so. But the fact that Trump has been completely silent on the matter seems to contradict that.

    So I'm going to guess that Cohen knows he has to hold onto the NDA because there's something worse done the line. And Stormy can push him by threatening to release it.

    I doubt it's a tape or video, because it was a one time encounter. My guess? The DNA tests from Stormy's clothes have finally come back from the lab.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    LoisLane wrote: »
    Looks like the deposition is on hold. Avenatti can't file until after Cohen completes the paperwork for arbitration -- which he hasn't done yet.

    Of course, without arbitration, Cohen has no way to try to enforce the NDA. So he's kind of stuck.
    Can Cohen keep things at a stalemate or can the court force his hand?

    Cohen can could simply release Stormy from the contract altogether.

    Normally, I'd say he's too pig headed to do so. But the fact that Trump has been completely silent on the matter seems to contradict that.

    So I'm going to guess that Cohen knows he has to hold onto the NDA because there's something worse done the line. And Stormy can push him by threatening to release it.

    I doubt it's a tape or video, because it was a one time encounter. My guess? The DNA tests from Stormy's clothes have finally come back from the lab.
    If it turns out she wore a blue dress, I'm going to laff myself silly.

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    Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    Can we stop and appreciate what it says about our society that we only have 22 female senators

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    Can we stop and appreciate what it says about our society that we only have 22 female senators
    Yup. But it also should also be noted that 17/49 isn't THAT bad. 5/51 however, is.

    And those ratios aren't coincidental.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    https://apnews.com/cc589eed01254b69a08f28570b3acd8b

    Trump's lawyer takes bait, moves forward with arbitration despite already being warned that it will lead to depositions. To no one's surprise, they clearly weren't paying attention to the judge's reasoning.

    Anyway, here are 11 ways you can void an NDA. Pretty much all of them apply to Trump.

    https://everynda.com/blog/11-ways-invalidate-nda/

    Also, here are ways to break an arbitration clause.

    https://capclaw.com/four-ways-get-arbitration-agreements-work/

    Avenatti has a lot of tools at his disposal right now.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    To be fair, what plays did they have left? There is reporting that the case is weakening his popularity with female evangelicals, so the feeling may be to get this out of the public eye.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    To be fair, what plays did they have left? There is reporting that the case is weakening his popularity with female evangelicals, so the feeling may be to get this out of the public eye.

    It's not like evangelicals didn't hear this story before he got elected president. All he had to do was declare that the NDA was issued mistake because he has nothing to hide, then lie about what happened.

    Trump opponents would side with Stormy, Trump supporters would have sided Trump, and the status quo would have stayed exactly the same.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Evangelicals seriously don't care about sex shenanigans as long as they move one step closer to banning abortion.

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    SadgasmSadgasm Deluded doodler A cold placeRegistered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Be fucking frustrating if this brings him down rather than the rest of the money laundering, Russian collusion and general corruption though.

    Think of it as pulling out bricks in a game of Jenga. You never really know which brick will be the last before the tower of corruption, rape and treason crumbles, and really it doesn't matter all that much. What matters is how long it takes. So the sooner (and harder) those bricks are yanked away, the better.

    Something I've been wondering for a while, if literally all the impeachable, fireable and criminal behavior of the current U.S administration were actually proven, who'd actually be left to run the country? I mean, it'd be like that tv show where the Minister of Agriculture or whatever was left because everyone else exploded.

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    Edith UpwardsEdith Upwards Registered User regular
    Evangelicals seriously don't care about sex shenanigans as long as they move one step closer to banning abortion.

    Well, that or legalizing the good behavior bootcamp industry.

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