Saw Star Wars. I'd held off since I was rather 'meh' on TFA and then heard how divisive this one was.
I liked this one, though. It wasn't perfect, and was a bit heavy-handed with it's theme, but it was fun and got me to care more about some of the TFA characters that didn't leave much of an impact in the last one.
Only two real complaints:
1. Killing off Snoke without explaining where the hell he came from. I don't care if he turned out to be someone we knew or whatever all the crazy fan theories were. He could have just been some random guy, but we still needed to know where a darkside user that powerful came from and took control of the Empire. It even could have been handled in a few lines of dialogue. This isn't like when Palpatine showed up in Episode 5, because at that point we knew we were picking up in the middle of the story (and also didn't know he was a force user at that time). But TFA wasn't episode 10, it was episode 7 which follows Episode 6, so it doesn't work as well to have a character like that. Maybe Episode 9 will devote some dialogue to explaining him.
2. They seemed to go with the version of "balance of the force" that means equal light and dark. I was never a fan of that, and preferred the version where the darkside unbalances the force (ie. Anakin brought balance by killing Palpatine in Episode 6, not by killing all the Jedi in Episode 3). Of course, the whole "balance to the force" concept was one of the many shaky concepts introduced to the franchise with the Prequels (and is now further called into question with the existence of Snoke), but I'm still not a fan of how they seem to be taking it.
Oh, and not really a complaint, but more of a question, but where the hell is Lando? He's like the only major character to not even be referenced in these movies. It especially stood out to me at the end of this one when the big distress call went out and nobody answered it.
Also R2D2 could have used a little more screentime. Even if it was just Leia and C3PO interacting with him when they board the Falcon. Or a shot of one of those penguin creatures sitting on his head or something. It was kind of weird how he was technically there for most of the movie, but we only really see him in one scene.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
Because he's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies? He's the primary reason that Episode 6's victory didn't stick? He's a powerful darkside user that shouldn't exist based on the dumb Rule of Two the Prequels introduced? It's my personal opinion and I didn't like that he suddenly exists in a hugely important role without explanation? It's not exactly an incomprehensible position.
I assume Snoke must be one of the common complaints about this movie based on your reaction, but I haven't read other complaints about the movie yet, beyond hearing it was divisive.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
Because he's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies? He's the primary reason that Episode 6's victory didn't stick? He's a powerful darkside user that shouldn't exist based on the dumb Rule of Two the Prequels introduced? It's my personal opinion and I didn't like that he suddenly exists in a hugely important role without explanation? It's not exactly an incomprehensible position.
I assume Snoke must be one of the common complaints about this movie based on your reaction, but I haven't read other complaints about the movie yet, beyond hearing it was divisive.
Well, to be fair, nothing in the prequels actually stuck to the Rule of Two.
Siddeus had Dooku even when he sent Maul. Then the extended canon of the Clone Wars show introduced us to Dooku's padawan, that Maul was still alive, to the dark side witches, ect.
I kinda wanted to know what fucked his face up so bad
Maybe he was born like that
It seems to be two things:
1: he lost a fight
and
2: the dark side of the force corrupting him and twisting him with hatred like how what it done fucked up Palpatine's face too
It doesn't need to be any more than that.
Same with Snoke's backstory - Jabba the Hutt is a renowned smuggler and slaver, but that is literally all the information you are given about him in the original trilogy. Same with Boba Fett - he's a bounty hunter, and that's it. That's all you get. Both pivotal characters, both with one sentence of story and background outside of what we are directly shown in the films.
These are pulp movies, not biographies.
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It's really interesting (genuinely) how public perception of "he's the bad guy" has shifted. We learn hardly anything about Vader other than that he's (a) a jerk and (b) killed Luke's dad until the very end of Empire Strikes Back. I feel like that wouldn't fly these days, given the reaction to Snoke.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
Because he's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies? He's the primary reason that Episode 6's victory didn't stick? He's a powerful darkside user that shouldn't exist based on the dumb Rule of Two the Prequels introduced? It's my personal opinion and I didn't like that he suddenly exists in a hugely important role without explanation? It's not exactly an incomprehensible position.
I assume Snoke must be one of the common complaints about this movie based on your reaction, but I haven't read other complaints about the movie yet, beyond hearing it was divisive.
He's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies in the same way "the Empire" is the driving force behind the original trilogy. It doesn't actually tell us how the empire rose and it didn't need to for those movies to work. Like, "victory didn't stick" is such a common thing in both fiction and real life. "Charismatic evil dude steps in after losing a war and rallies the remains into an even greater threat" can describe countless war scenarios, including Germany in World War II. The empire had completely dismantled the Republic and the rebellion had basically been scrapping their way to victory. They weren't in any serious position to deal well with another major threat so quickly after the destruction of the Empire. And, like, the victory in Episode 6 was just killing the guy who orchestrated the rise of the Empire. A new fascist regime rising within a few decades of that isn't exactly far-fetched.
Like "this guy seems cool and I'd like to know more about him" is perfectly understandable and I don't blame anyone who wants that as side material or whatever, but I disagree that it's in any way necessary to the story that's being told and, in fact, feel like it would be a violation of economy in storytelling to devote more time in the movies to this guy. From the story's perspective, he's just a means to an end and he got exactly the amount of focus he should have.
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Movie franchises are all about turning pulp action stories into disappointing biographies.
It's really interesting (genuinely) how public perception of "he's the bad guy" has shifted. We learn hardly anything about Vader other than that he's (a) a jerk and (b) killed Luke's dad until the very end of Empire Strikes Back. I feel like that wouldn't fly these days, given the reaction to Snoke.
The world would be a better place if the prequels were never made.
It's really interesting (genuinely) how public perception of "he's the bad guy" has shifted. We learn hardly anything about Vader other than that he's (a) a jerk and (b) killed Luke's dad until the very end of Empire Strikes Back. I feel like that wouldn't fly these days, given the reaction to Snoke.
The post-OT Star Wars franchise is largely responsible for this problem too. First the EU and then the prequel trilogy were largely built on needlessly fleshing out backstory and minute details for things that really didn't need it.
I kinda wanted to know what fucked his face up so bad
Maybe he was born like that
It seems to be two things:
1: he lost a fight
and
2: the dark side of the force corrupting him and twisting him with hatred like how what it done fucked up Palpatine's face too
It doesn't need to be any more than that.
Same with Snoke's backstory - Jabba the Hutt is a renowned smuggler and slaver, but that is literally all the information you are given about him in the original trilogy. Same with Boba Fett - he's a bounty hunter, and that's it. That's all you get. Both pivotal characters, both with one sentence of story and background outside of what we are directly shown in the films.
These are pulp movies, not biographies.
Palpatines face got fucked up by reverse evil space wizard lightning splashing all over it not hatred and darksideness, if he never got drenched in evil space wizard lightning he still would've been sexy fuckin Ian McDiarmid
Didn't we spend five pages in one of the other threads discussing why Snoke has a big face
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I kinda wanted to know what fucked his face up so bad
Maybe he was born like that
It seems to be two things:
1: he lost a fight
and
2: the dark side of the force corrupting him and twisting him with hatred like how what it done fucked up Palpatine's face too
It doesn't need to be any more than that.
Same with Snoke's backstory - Jabba the Hutt is a renowned smuggler and slaver, but that is literally all the information you are given about him in the original trilogy. Same with Boba Fett - he's a bounty hunter, and that's it. That's all you get. Both pivotal characters, both with one sentence of story and background outside of what we are directly shown in the films.
These are pulp movies, not biographies.
They promoted Boba Fett a ton back in the day. He was in that cartoon and shit!
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
Because he's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies? He's the primary reason that Episode 6's victory didn't stick? He's a powerful darkside user that shouldn't exist based on the dumb Rule of Two the Prequels introduced? It's my personal opinion and I didn't like that he suddenly exists in a hugely important role without explanation? It's not exactly an incomprehensible position.
I assume Snoke must be one of the common complaints about this movie based on your reaction, but I haven't read other complaints about the movie yet, beyond hearing it was divisive.
He's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies in the same way "the Empire" is the driving force behind the original trilogy. It doesn't actually tell us how the empire rose and it didn't need to for those movies to work. Like, "victory didn't stick" is such a common thing in both fiction and real life. "Charismatic evil dude steps in after losing a war and rallies the remains into an even greater threat" can describe countless war scenarios, including Germany in World War II. The empire had completely dismantled the Republic and the rebellion had basically been scrapping their way to victory. They weren't in any serious position to deal well with another major threat so quickly after the destruction of the Empire. And, like, the victory in Episode 6 was just killing the guy who orchestrated the rise of the Empire. A new fascist regime rising within a few decades of that isn't exactly far-fetched.
Like "this guy seems cool and I'd like to know more about him" is perfectly understandable and I don't blame anyone who wants that as side material or whatever, but I disagree that it's in any way necessary to the story that's being told and, in fact, feel like it would be a violation of economy in storytelling to devote more time in the movies to this guy. From the story's perspective, he's just a means to an end and he got exactly the amount of focus he should have.
Like I already said, the original trilogy was starting in the middle of story (yes, I'm aware that A New Hope originally wasn't, but by the time Empire Strikes Back came out and introduced Palpatine, it was explicitly Episode V). It was harkening to old film serialsof a continuous story where you missed bits.
But The Force Awakens didn't skip a few Episodes and debut as Episode 10 or whatever, it was explicitly Episode 7 and a direct continuation, but the primary driving force behind everything bad exists without explanation. As for the rest of your first paragraph, then if that's what happened put a few lines in the movie saying that. You lose nothing by having Hux mutter some contempt about the situation to an underling.
As evidence by my prior posts, I pretty much completely disagree with your second paragraph entirely. And that's okay, I don't have a problem with you holding that opinion and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for feeling that way. It's just not an opinion that I share, and I've tried to explain my position as clearly as I can.
I'm not to keen on getting grouped with those crazy Star Wars fans who are tearing down the movie.
I said I liked it, better than the last one in fact. But I guess I've touched on an already well-trodden topic with my Snoke complaint.
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The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
I don't really hate the lack of Snoke back story in a bubble but with the reveal that Rey is essentially nobody, and Phasma being one dimensional and the introduction of Holdo with little fleshing out of her history it makes things seem a little...thin for lack of a better word. There is a sort of card board cut out feel that is too prevalent.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
Because he's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies? He's the primary reason that Episode 6's victory didn't stick? He's a powerful darkside user that shouldn't exist based on the dumb Rule of Two the Prequels introduced? It's my personal opinion and I didn't like that he suddenly exists in a hugely important role without explanation? It's not exactly an incomprehensible position.
I assume Snoke must be one of the common complaints about this movie based on your reaction, but I haven't read other complaints about the movie yet, beyond hearing it was divisive.
He's the driving force behind everything bad in the new movies in the same way "the Empire" is the driving force behind the original trilogy. It doesn't actually tell us how the empire rose and it didn't need to for those movies to work. Like, "victory didn't stick" is such a common thing in both fiction and real life. "Charismatic evil dude steps in after losing a war and rallies the remains into an even greater threat" can describe countless war scenarios, including Germany in World War II. The empire had completely dismantled the Republic and the rebellion had basically been scrapping their way to victory. They weren't in any serious position to deal well with another major threat so quickly after the destruction of the Empire. And, like, the victory in Episode 6 was just killing the guy who orchestrated the rise of the Empire. A new fascist regime rising within a few decades of that isn't exactly far-fetched.
Like "this guy seems cool and I'd like to know more about him" is perfectly understandable and I don't blame anyone who wants that as side material or whatever, but I disagree that it's in any way necessary to the story that's being told and, in fact, feel like it would be a violation of economy in storytelling to devote more time in the movies to this guy. From the story's perspective, he's just a means to an end and he got exactly the amount of focus he should have.
Like I already said, the original trilogy was starting in the middle of story (yes, I'm aware that A New Hope originally wasn't, but by the time Empire Strikes Back came out and introduced Palpatine, it was explicitly Episode V). It was harkening to old film serialsof a continuous story where you missed bits.
But The Force Awakens didn't skip a few Episodes and debut as Episode 10 or whatever, it was explicitly Episode 7 and a direct continuation, but the primary driving force behind everything bad exists without explanation. As for the rest of your first paragraph, then if that's what happened put a few lines in the movie saying that. You lose nothing by having Hux mutter some contempt about the situation to an underling.
As evidence by my prior posts, I pretty much completely disagree with your second paragraph entirely. And that's okay, I don't have a problem with you holding that opinion and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for feeling that way. It's just not an opinion that I share, and I've tried to explain my position as clearly as I can.
I'm not to keen on getting grouped with those crazy Star Wars fans who are tearing down the movie.
I said I liked it, better than the last one in fact. But I guess I've touched on an already well-trodden topic with my Snoke complaint.
Welcome to the true experience of The Last Jedi: people treating you like you're a fucking idiot if you didn't like part of it.
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The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
I don't really hate the lack of Snoke back story in a bubble but with the reveal that Rey is essentially nobody, and Phasma being one dimensional and the introduction of Holdo with little fleshing out of her history it makes things seem a little...thin for lack of a better word. There is a sort of card board cut out feel that is too prevalent.
Blame it on Abrams shitty Mystery Box style of writing TFA.
TLJ did well with what it had to work with, and just ejecting those particular boxes in favor of the meat of the story was the smart move.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The thing I don't understand about the Snoke complaints is why do we "need" to know where he came from? What about the story of the movies is lacking without that information? He's a powerful force user who managed to unite the remnants of the empire into a powerful organized force and preyed on Ben Solo's insecurities enough to turn him to the Dark Side. That's all we need to know about him for the story that's being told. How he did these things doesn't really impact any of that.
I don't really hate the lack of Snoke back story in a bubble but with the reveal that Rey is essentially nobody, and Phasma being one dimensional and the introduction of Holdo with little fleshing out of her history it makes things seem a little...thin for lack of a better word. There is a sort of card board cut out feel that is too prevalent.
See I fundamentally disagree. When everyone in your story is this big important person with a ton of backstory and all these pre-existing connections to other major characters in your story it makes the whole thing feel way smaller and more contrived. I loved TLJ as much as I did because of how wholeheartedly it rejected that notion in favor of people mattering for who they are and what they do now, in the story proper. Who they were before the story only matters in that it got them to where they are. A good story doesn't need a ton of backstory and a good character defines themselves within the text. Both of those things were strengths of the original trilogy and they are strengths of this movie as well.
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Welcome to the true experience of The Last Jedi: people treating you like you're a fucking idiot if you didn't like part of it.
Yeah, I'm a little annoyed, but part of that is my own personal hang-ups. I fucking hate the reaction system on this board, and nothing like a wall of Agree's on a post telling you they literally don't understand how you could have an opinion on one specific part of a film in order to make you feel like shit.
I used to be a huge Star Wars fan until the Prequels, and then after being 'meh' on TFA I figured maybe I was just done with Star Wars. Then I just ended up seeing this one and actually liked it and was hopeful about the franchise again. Now after the reactions here I'm back to thinking maybe I don't like Star Wars again (or at least talking about it). Yeah, being over-dramatic, but I'm sick today from my new medication, so sue me.
Not to blame any particular person, just my own personal problems and how I read into things. Being aware of that, I'm trying my best to handle it as well as I can and realize that I'm late to the party and that the topic already has a lot of baggage attached to it due to more poisonous parts of the fandom.
Welcome to the true experience of The Last Jedi: people treating you like you're a fucking idiot if you didn't like part of it.
Yeah, I'm a little annoyed, but part of that is my own personal hang-ups. I fucking hate the reaction system on this board, and nothing like a wall of Agree's on a post telling you they literally don't understand how you could have an opinion on one specific part of a film in order to make you feel like shit.
I used to be a huge Star Wars fan until the Prequels, and then after being 'meh' on TFA I figured maybe I was just done with Star Wars. Then I just ended up seeing this one and actually liked it and was hopeful about the franchise again. Now after the reactions here I'm back to thinking maybe I don't like Star Wars again (or at least talking about it). Yeah, being over-dramatic, but I'm sick today from my new medication, so sue me.
Not to blame any particular person, just my own personal problems and how I read into things. Being aware of that, I'm trying my best to handle it as well as I can and realize that I'm late to the party and that the topic already has a lot of baggage attached to it due to more poisonous parts of the fandom.
If it makes you feel any better I can assure you that it was not personal. You are not the first person this has happened to, you will not be the last, this is not the worst case. One has probably been reported in the D&D thread while I'm writing this.
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Though I imagine a lot of folks are having that thing that I had with the new Ghostbusters. Where I didn't like it at all, but I mostly avoided talking about it because of obvious reasons of loud MRA jackholes who hated it for substantially different reasons.
If you're thinking about going and reading some articles about The Last Jedi from reputable outlets allow me to assure you that they are 100% comprised of essays patiently explaining to you that the reason you don't like it (or part of it) is that you are very stupid and a crypto-fascist.
I like the reaction system in that it prevents meaningless comments like "+1" or whatever. It lets you agree with someone, basically.
But yeah it does sometimes create crazy dogpiles. Although we are better in general for that than we used to be! Or maybe it's just the threads I frequent.
Welcome to the true experience of The Last Jedi: people treating you like you're a fucking idiot if you didn't like part of it.
Yeah, I'm a little annoyed, but part of that is my own personal hang-ups. I fucking hate the reaction system on this board, and nothing like a wall of Agree's on a post telling you they literally don't understand how you could have an opinion on one specific part of a film in order to make you feel like shit.
I used to be a huge Star Wars fan until the Prequels, and then after being 'meh' on TFA I figured maybe I was just done with Star Wars. Then I just ended up seeing this one and actually liked it and was hopeful about the franchise again. Now after the reactions here I'm back to thinking maybe I don't like Star Wars again (or at least talking about it). Yeah, being over-dramatic, but I'm sick today from my new medication, so sue me.
Not to blame any particular person, just my own personal problems and how I read into things. Being aware of that, I'm trying my best to handle it as well as I can and realize that I'm late to the party and that the topic already has a lot of baggage attached to it due to more poisonous parts of the fandom.
Hey man for what it's worth, I didn't mean to make it feel like your opinion wasn't valid, it was just that particular complaint I've seen from multiple people and it's just so fundamentally different from my feelings on plotting and storytelling. Definitely wasn't meaning to start a dogpile or be disrespectful and I'm sorry if it came across that way.
And I definitely don't lump you in with, like, the crazies who went out and made a cut of the movie with all the women removed or any of that other hyperbolic nonsense. It's just a difference of opinion on what we're looking for from the story. I can respect that, even if I don't share it.
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Though I imagine a lot of folks are having that thing that I had with the new Ghostbusters. Where I didn't like it at all, but I mostly avoided talking about it because of obvious reasons of loud MRA jackholes who hated it for substantially different reasons.
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I liked this one, though. It wasn't perfect, and was a bit heavy-handed with it's theme, but it was fun and got me to care more about some of the TFA characters that didn't leave much of an impact in the last one.
Only two real complaints:
2. They seemed to go with the version of "balance of the force" that means equal light and dark. I was never a fan of that, and preferred the version where the darkside unbalances the force (ie. Anakin brought balance by killing Palpatine in Episode 6, not by killing all the Jedi in Episode 3). Of course, the whole "balance to the force" concept was one of the many shaky concepts introduced to the franchise with the Prequels (and is now further called into question with the existence of Snoke), but I'm still not a fan of how they seem to be taking it.
Oh, and not really a complaint, but more of a question, but where the hell is Lando? He's like the only major character to not even be referenced in these movies. It especially stood out to me at the end of this one when the big distress call went out and nobody answered it.
Also R2D2 could have used a little more screentime. Even if it was just Leia and C3PO interacting with him when they board the Falcon. Or a shot of one of those penguin creatures sitting on his head or something. It was kind of weird how he was technically there for most of the movie, but we only really see him in one scene.
Maybe he was born like that
Maybe it's Maybelline?
I assume Snoke must be one of the common complaints about this movie based on your reaction, but I haven't read other complaints about the movie yet, beyond hearing it was divisive.
And it wasn't no Maybelline
And about Yoda.
And about Jango Fett.
And a film about General Grivous.
I finally had to tell him that sometimes you can just have a dude in a film show up and be mysterious.
Siddeus had Dooku even when he sent Maul. Then the extended canon of the Clone Wars show introduced us to Dooku's padawan, that Maul was still alive, to the dark side witches, ect.
It seems to be two things:
1: he lost a fight
and
2: the dark side of the force corrupting him and twisting him with hatred like how what it done fucked up Palpatine's face too
It doesn't need to be any more than that.
Same with Snoke's backstory - Jabba the Hutt is a renowned smuggler and slaver, but that is literally all the information you are given about him in the original trilogy. Same with Boba Fett - he's a bounty hunter, and that's it. That's all you get. Both pivotal characters, both with one sentence of story and background outside of what we are directly shown in the films.
These are pulp movies, not biographies.
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Like "this guy seems cool and I'd like to know more about him" is perfectly understandable and I don't blame anyone who wants that as side material or whatever, but I disagree that it's in any way necessary to the story that's being told and, in fact, feel like it would be a violation of economy in storytelling to devote more time in the movies to this guy. From the story's perspective, he's just a means to an end and he got exactly the amount of focus he should have.
The world would be a better place if the prequels were never made.
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The post-OT Star Wars franchise is largely responsible for this problem too. First the EU and then the prequel trilogy were largely built on needlessly fleshing out backstory and minute details for things that really didn't need it.
Palpatines face got fucked up by reverse evil space wizard lightning splashing all over it not hatred and darksideness, if he never got drenched in evil space wizard lightning he still would've been sexy fuckin Ian McDiarmid
They promoted Boba Fett a ton back in the day. He was in that cartoon and shit!
It seems genuinely impossible that we didn't
In that case, everything is midichlorians.
But The Force Awakens didn't skip a few Episodes and debut as Episode 10 or whatever, it was explicitly Episode 7 and a direct continuation, but the primary driving force behind everything bad exists without explanation. As for the rest of your first paragraph, then if that's what happened put a few lines in the movie saying that. You lose nothing by having Hux mutter some contempt about the situation to an underling.
As evidence by my prior posts, I pretty much completely disagree with your second paragraph entirely. And that's okay, I don't have a problem with you holding that opinion and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for feeling that way. It's just not an opinion that I share, and I've tried to explain my position as clearly as I can.
I'm not to keen on getting grouped with those crazy Star Wars fans who are tearing down the movie.
I said I liked it, better than the last one in fact. But I guess I've touched on an already well-trodden topic with my Snoke complaint.
Welcome to the true experience of The Last Jedi: people treating you like you're a fucking idiot if you didn't like part of it.
TLJ did well with what it had to work with, and just ejecting those particular boxes in favor of the meat of the story was the smart move.
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Someone once pointed out to me that I'd probably like TFA more if I weren't forced to subject myself to discussion of it as part of my employment.
I get that a lot with superhero and comic movies. And it's probably not entirely untrue.
Yeah, I'm a little annoyed, but part of that is my own personal hang-ups. I fucking hate the reaction system on this board, and nothing like a wall of Agree's on a post telling you they literally don't understand how you could have an opinion on one specific part of a film in order to make you feel like shit.
I used to be a huge Star Wars fan until the Prequels, and then after being 'meh' on TFA I figured maybe I was just done with Star Wars. Then I just ended up seeing this one and actually liked it and was hopeful about the franchise again. Now after the reactions here I'm back to thinking maybe I don't like Star Wars again (or at least talking about it). Yeah, being over-dramatic, but I'm sick today from my new medication, so sue me.
Not to blame any particular person, just my own personal problems and how I read into things. Being aware of that, I'm trying my best to handle it as well as I can and realize that I'm late to the party and that the topic already has a lot of baggage attached to it due to more poisonous parts of the fandom.
If it makes you feel any better I can assure you that it was not personal. You are not the first person this has happened to, you will not be the last, this is not the worst case. One has probably been reported in the D&D thread while I'm writing this.
But yeah it does sometimes create crazy dogpiles. Although we are better in general for that than we used to be! Or maybe it's just the threads I frequent.
Hey man for what it's worth, I didn't mean to make it feel like your opinion wasn't valid, it was just that particular complaint I've seen from multiple people and it's just so fundamentally different from my feelings on plotting and storytelling. Definitely wasn't meaning to start a dogpile or be disrespectful and I'm sorry if it came across that way.
And I definitely don't lump you in with, like, the crazies who went out and made a cut of the movie with all the women removed or any of that other hyperbolic nonsense. It's just a difference of opinion on what we're looking for from the story. I can respect that, even if I don't share it.
I didn't think about this, but I've never felt luckier for liking a movie