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Of the 3 TNG-era Trek series, DS9 still has by far the best pilot. Emissary is like a totally watchable episode of the series.
ya, Emissary is probably one of the best episodes from season 1 and 2 to begin with. Every couple years I'll sit down and watch it since it's kinda like a little self contained movie and just has a lot of neat stuff going on in it.
"A feeling of great joy. And gratitude. Great joy and gratitude, from both of them."
That's just like season 1 Troi. They took forever to make her writing not horrible.
Unfortunately, by the time they started feeling out how to actually write her character, the actress started losing interest, so it feels like the character gets jerked around a lot from season to season.
Marina Sirtis also posted on Twitter a few months ago that she was sexually assaulted when she was 13, which makes the storylines they gave her...much worse.
Who is the best late addition to a show cast? Ensign Ro vs Chekov vs Worf on DS9 vs Seven of Nine.
I guess Ro is cheating a little as she wasn't a main cast member, but whatever. Worf is cheating as well because he wasn't new. Besides, Martok was cooler.
Who is the best late addition to a show cast? Ensign Ro vs Chekov vs Worf on DS9 vs Seven of Nine.
I guess Ro is cheating a little as she wasn't a main cast member, but whatever. Worf is cheating as well because he wasn't new. Besides, Martok was cooler.
Ro doesn't do much but when she's on I usually like her more than anything else on screen. She's a main character in a few episodes, though. Her episodes are more consistently enjoyable than either Crusher's or Troi's, which is a shameful indictment of the writing those characters received.
Seven of Nine was easily the best thing Voyager did, although I was honestly kind of hoping that she'd stay Borg-positive through the series and ultimately go "you know what? individualism ain't for me" just to add texture to the cast, and shy away a little more from the Federation being the shining beacon at the center of the galaxy.
It's tough for me to decide between her on Voyager and Worf on DS9, though, because while Seven is the best character in Voyager, that's a lower bar to clear when most of Voyager's ensemble feel like empty suits. And they did so much great stuff with Worf.
Who is the best late addition to a show cast? Ensign Ro vs Chekov vs Worf on DS9 vs Seven of Nine.
I guess Ro is cheating a little as she wasn't a main cast member, but whatever. Worf is cheating as well because he wasn't new. Besides, Martok was cooler.
It's like... Seven of Nine really helped Voyager, while Worf didn't really add that much. And I liked Ezri a lot, but she only had a single season, so there wasn't much the writers could really do with her, though the whole joined-Trill-who-didn't-want-to-be-joined angle was a neat one.
In the end, I want to say Worf, because I just like DS9 better and he was great in a great cast, but I guess I'm gonna have to say Seven of Nine?
But if we're talking outside of the main cast, DS9 also saw 'late additions' like Martok, Weyoun and Damar, so...
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Who is the best late addition to a show cast? Ensign Ro vs Chekov vs Worf on DS9 vs Seven of Nine.
I guess Ro is cheating a little as she wasn't a main cast member, but whatever. Worf is cheating as well because he wasn't new. Besides, Martok was cooler.
It's like... Seven of Nine really helped Voyager, while Worf didn't really add that much. And I liked Ezri a lot, but she only had a single season, so there wasn't much the writers could really do with her, though the whole joined-Trill-who-didn't-want-to-be-joined angle was a neat one.
In the end, I want to say Worf, because I just like DS9 better and he was great in a great cast, but I guess I'm gonna have to say Seven of Nine?
But if we're talking outside of the main cast, DS9 also saw 'late additions' like Martok, Weyoun and Damar, so...
Damar is in the pilot iirc. I'm wrong it was series 4 apparently. Guess he just made that good an impression He's certainly around almost as long as Dukat is, just hovering in the background. He's possibly my favourite DS9 arc, because you really can see him become conflicted over the course of the show and it's all done with expressions in the back of scenes or single line exchanges.
Who is the best late addition to a show cast? Ensign Ro vs Chekov vs Worf on DS9 vs Seven of Nine.
I guess Ro is cheating a little as she wasn't a main cast member, but whatever. Worf is cheating as well because he wasn't new. Besides, Martok was cooler.
It's like... Seven of Nine really helped Voyager, while Worf didn't really add that much. And I liked Ezri a lot, but she only had a single season, so there wasn't much the writers could really do with her, though the whole joined-Trill-who-didn't-want-to-be-joined angle was a neat one.
In the end, I want to say Worf, because I just like DS9 better and he was great in a great cast, but I guess I'm gonna have to say Seven of Nine?
But if we're talking outside of the main cast, DS9 also saw 'late additions' like Martok, Weyoun and Damar, so...
Damar is in the pilot iirc. He's certainly around almost as long as Dukat is, just hovering in the background. He's possibly my favourite DS9 arc, because you really can see him become conflicted over the course of the show and it's all done with expressions in the back of scenes or single line exchanges.
The actor may be (although I don't actually think so), but Damar himself isn't.
Damar's first appearance is when Dukat has been busted down to captain of some junk freighter because of Ziyal while tension between the Klingons and the Cardassians are seriously on the rise. Which is after Worf joining the cast.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
regarding best voyager character stuff:
Tom Paris > Seven of Nine
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
So the fiancee and I are finally muscling our way through the first season of Enterprise.
My takeaway so far is that it's not actually that bad! The set design is actually really cool, particularly compared to Voyager. I just recently wrapped up the last season of that show and I still don't remember what the Voyager bridge looks like.
Some stuff that is bad so far: T'pol and Vulcans in general. Not really a fan of how the show keeps justifying the human crew's distrust of the Vulcans. Also holy shit that music. The start of every episode is like a punch to the face.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
So the fiancee and I are finally muscling our way through the first season of Enterprise.
My takeaway so far is that it's not actually that bad! The set design is actually really cool, particularly compared to Voyager. I just recently wrapped up the last season of that show and I still don't remember what the Voyager bridge looks like.
Some stuff that is bad so far: T'pol and Vulcans in general. Not really a fan of how the show keeps justifying the human crew's distrust of the Vulcans. Also holy shit that music. The start of every episode is like a punch to the face.
that theme song only gets better
enterprise was not as bad as some would have you believe
So, I'm involved pretty regularly in a podcast called Adventures in Videoland. We try to do episodes based on what people are talking about at the moment. For example, right now, our community's talking a lot about Quentin Tarantino expressing interest in directing an R-Rated Star Trek film (which is apparently moving forward, full speed ahead, as they've reportedly brought on a writer for the Revenant to handle the script), and the mid-season premier of Discovery is this Sunday, so I've convinced Brad that it's time to do a Star Trek episode. It's going to be a Versus episode, which means we watch several films back-to-back and award points to them based on a number of categories (usually, about 20, including Best Location, Best Screenplay, Best Cinematography, etc -- this episode will include a few Trek-specific categories, like Best Captain, Best Crew and Best Enterprise).
I decided it might be cool to take the best film from each iteration of the franchise, and put them up against one another. In an attempt to be as objective about the term "best" as possible, I went by highest scores according to IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, MetaCritic, etc, and ended up with ...
Wrath of Khan, representing the Original Series
First Contact, representing the Next Generation
and Star Trek (2009), representing the Kelvin-verse
I'm just curious to hear what you guys think about these films. How do they stack up against one another according to you? And what do you think about Quentin Tarantino directing a Star Trek film? I've thought long and hard about that, and I'm GENUINELY still not sure how I feel.
If you want to play along and fill out your answers to each of the categories, go right ahead; I'll provide them all below, behind a spoiler:
Best Film Location:
Best Character:
Best Screen Duo:
Best Villain/Antagonist:
Best Hero/Protagonist:
Best Kill:
WTF: *
Best Score or Soundtrack:
Best Quote:
Best Screenplay:
Best Technical Achievement:
Best Crew:
Best Captain:
Best Enterprise:
Best Mission:
Best Scene:
Defining Moment:
Best Director:
Wild Card:
Best Picture:
*WTF is a category that isn't worth points. It's just a fun little break in the awards that we like to do. Basically, WTF is anything that you found out while researching the film, or anything about the film in particular, that made you think, like, WTF? For example, I got a message from one of the guys asking if Ricardo Montalbán, the actor who played Khan, used a "prosthetic chest", because "he's fucking jacked." And I read into it a bit, and found out that, no, that's his real fucking chest. And his costume was actually literally designed to be open in the chest like that just to show off Montalbán's "impressive physique".
So the fiancee and I are finally muscling our way through the first season of Enterprise.
My takeaway so far is that it's not actually that bad! The set design is actually really cool, particularly compared to Voyager. I just recently wrapped up the last season of that show and I still don't remember what the Voyager bridge looks like.
Some stuff that is bad so far: T'pol and Vulcans in general. Not really a fan of how the show keeps justifying the human crew's distrust of the Vulcans. Also holy shit that music. The start of every episode is like a punch to the face.
that theme song only gets better
enterprise was not as bad as some would have you believe
but it wasn't very good
The Expanse season was interesting
at least towards the end they were trying new stuff
I would say Jeri Ryan was a great addition, but the character was just a T&A vehicle to solidify the lonely geek demographic. Voyager completely de-fanged the Borg and made them a virtual non-threat
I would say Jeri Ryan was a great addition, but the character was just a T&A vehicle to solidify the lonely geek demographic. Voyager completely de-fanged the Borg and made them a virtual non-threat
yeah, that's fair
she really shone in some episodes where she was the focal point but the character wasn't really developed all that well a lot of the time
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Of the 3 TNG-era Trek series, DS9 still has by far the best pilot. Emissary is like a totally watchable episode of the series.
ya, Emissary is probably one of the best episodes from season 1 and 2 to begin with. Every couple years I'll sit down and watch it since it's kinda like a little self contained movie and just has a lot of neat stuff going on in it.
Yeah, and now I'm "wasting" 90 minutes of my work day rewatching it.
very different from the rest of the show though
Yes, it was.
"A feeling of great joy. And gratitude. Great joy and gratitude, from both of them."
That's just like season 1 Troi. They took forever to make her writing not horrible.
Unfortunately, by the time they started feeling out how to actually write her character, the actress started losing interest, so it feels like the character gets jerked around a lot from season to season.
Now she's boring!
Now she's compelling!
Now she doesn't exist!
That and the road not taken with Best of Both Worlds.
I guess Ro is cheating a little as she wasn't a main cast member, but whatever. Worf is cheating as well because he wasn't new. Besides, Martok was cooler.
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they made a criminally underused character into something other than a punchline
Vash, not-a-main-character be damned.
no that's correct
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It's tough for me to decide between her on Voyager and Worf on DS9, though, because while Seven is the best character in Voyager, that's a lower bar to clear when most of Voyager's ensemble feel like empty suits. And they did so much great stuff with Worf.
Whoops. Fixed your typo.
It's like... Seven of Nine really helped Voyager, while Worf didn't really add that much. And I liked Ezri a lot, but she only had a single season, so there wasn't much the writers could really do with her, though the whole joined-Trill-who-didn't-want-to-be-joined angle was a neat one.
In the end, I want to say Worf, because I just like DS9 better and he was great in a great cast, but I guess I'm gonna have to say Seven of Nine?
But if we're talking outside of the main cast, DS9 also saw 'late additions' like Martok, Weyoun and Damar, so...
Damar is in the pilot iirc. I'm wrong it was series 4 apparently. Guess he just made that good an impression He's certainly around almost as long as Dukat is, just hovering in the background. He's possibly my favourite DS9 arc, because you really can see him become conflicted over the course of the show and it's all done with expressions in the back of scenes or single line exchanges.
The actor may be (although I don't actually think so), but Damar himself isn't.
Damar's first appearance is when Dukat has been busted down to captain of some junk freighter because of Ziyal while tension between the Klingons and the Cardassians are seriously on the rise. Which is after Worf joining the cast.
Tom Paris > Seven of Nine
what the fuck dude
My takeaway so far is that it's not actually that bad! The set design is actually really cool, particularly compared to Voyager. I just recently wrapped up the last season of that show and I still don't remember what the Voyager bridge looks like.
Some stuff that is bad so far: T'pol and Vulcans in general. Not really a fan of how the show keeps justifying the human crew's distrust of the Vulcans. Also holy shit that music. The start of every episode is like a punch to the face.
look i get it we've all been there but
that theme song only gets better
enterprise was not as bad as some would have you believe
but it wasn't very good
I decided it might be cool to take the best film from each iteration of the franchise, and put them up against one another. In an attempt to be as objective about the term "best" as possible, I went by highest scores according to IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, MetaCritic, etc, and ended up with ...
Wrath of Khan, representing the Original Series
First Contact, representing the Next Generation
and Star Trek (2009), representing the Kelvin-verse
I'm just curious to hear what you guys think about these films. How do they stack up against one another according to you? And what do you think about Quentin Tarantino directing a Star Trek film? I've thought long and hard about that, and I'm GENUINELY still not sure how I feel.
If you want to play along and fill out your answers to each of the categories, go right ahead; I'll provide them all below, behind a spoiler:
Best Character:
Best Screen Duo:
Best Villain/Antagonist:
Best Hero/Protagonist:
Best Kill:
WTF: *
Best Score or Soundtrack:
Best Quote:
Best Screenplay:
Best Technical Achievement:
Best Crew:
Best Captain:
Best Enterprise:
Best Mission:
Best Scene:
Defining Moment:
Best Director:
Wild Card:
Best Picture:
*WTF is a category that isn't worth points. It's just a fun little break in the awards that we like to do. Basically, WTF is anything that you found out while researching the film, or anything about the film in particular, that made you think, like, WTF? For example, I got a message from one of the guys asking if Ricardo Montalbán, the actor who played Khan, used a "prosthetic chest", because "he's fucking jacked." And I read into it a bit, and found out that, no, that's his real fucking chest. And his costume was actually literally designed to be open in the chest like that just to show off Montalbán's "impressive physique".
The Expanse season was interesting
at least towards the end they were trying new stuff
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yeah, that's fair
she really shone in some episodes where she was the focal point but the character wasn't really developed all that well a lot of the time
Enterprise was a failure but it was a different kind of failure
Voyager is just TNG with 40% more shit
Somehow, against all odds, that fucking theme song grew on me, too.