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Florida School Shooting - At Least 17 Killed in Parkland
enlightenedbum
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html
Your monthly American mass shooting is another school shooting in Florida. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in Broward County, specifically. Suspect is detained, an 18 year old former student at the school.
Developing story, obviously. Thought we should have a thread for it.
EDIT: DO NOT watch any of the student video if you are easily triggered by gunfire. It is fucking terrifying.
Your monthly American mass shooting is another school shooting in Florida. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland in Broward County, specifically. Suspect is detained, an 18 year old former student at the school.
Developing story, obviously. Thought we should have a thread for it.
EDIT: DO NOT watch any of the student video if you are easily triggered by gunfire. It is fucking terrifying.
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BBC News are reporting “at least” 12 dead. The suspect is a former student of the school. He is in custody.
*edit* Update. On BBC World News they’re saying it’s 17 dead. Urgh.
I live like ten minutes from there.
After Sandy Hook I'm pretty sure we can retire this line of thinking in America.
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Can we make like Japan and outlaw them yet?
I am, no one I know from there thankfully.
It seems the students knew him and were afraid of him. Many of them identified him as the shooter before it was confirmed, and none of them seem surprised. There are going to be a hell of a lot of questions to answer when the dust settles.
As for the casualty list, 12 people were killed inside the school, two outside, one on a street described as “near” the school and two of the injured died in hospital.
There are three people in critical condition, according to medical personnel giving a press conference just now.
Even the gallows humor about thoughts and prayers and how nothing will change is tired at this point.
Nope, because the school is in Florida. A state with lax gun laws and a 'shall issue' attitude.
This is EXACTLY where you would predict such an incident to occur. And the data continues to bear that out. The more guns you have, and the more lax your gun laws are, the more school shootings you have. If you want school shootings to stop, pass strict and wide ranging gun laws and make them as close to illegal as possible.
The second shows kids hiding in a classroom, screaming, swearing and crying as very loud gunshots are heard in the background. Apparently the person who took this video uploaded it to Snapchat. He also took a photo of the classroom computer with bullet holes clearly visible in it.
The third is only three or four seconds long, but by all accounts is the most graphic. It shows a pair of legs clad in black pants and shoes lying on a blood smeared floor. The rest of the body is obscured from view by a desk.
This shit is practically formulaic, which is terrifying on it's own.
Aaaaaand death toll now at 17...fuckin' hell.
Speaking of, here's The Onion's formula:
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659
Honestly this is me too
There is no answer to this sort of thing except intangible thoughts and prayers and maybe teaching all public school teachers how to be Neo in the event of a school shooting
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Not even 24 hours later, it turns out.
But remember, even though it's the same thing every time, we couldn't possibly do anything to stop this.
Well, I mean. Shooting is a hobby of mine. Used to do it as a sport back in college and I occasionally shoot with peers and my past two Battalion's sniper section for sport. I kinda feel obligated to buy the next big purchase everytime these events happen because I'm not sure whether my hobby is going to evaporate overnight.
As for Florida . I haven't read into it just yet. I just got home from work and need to catch up on today's news cycle. I'm going to assume our Florida shooter used an AR-15, had signs of deteriorating mental health, nobody took his social media broadcasts seriously/investigated him, and he ended up shooting up his high school? After hearing about the story today via headlines, I wouldn't say I'm angry. I'd say I'm fatigued. America continues to ignore mental health and mandatory, in depth background checks because we like to pretend mental health isn't a serious issue and hope the problem goes away on its own.
Forgive me if your hobby nets you little sympathy today.
Well the good news is based on history you may have the most secure hobby in America
It's the only dangerous sport protected by the Constitution!
Particularly chilling, one student at the school (who said “everyone knew” the shooter wanted to hurt people) said the shooter had been through active shooter drills at the school, so he knew exactly how everyone would react and where they would go.
*edit* Found video from a local TV station.
1. While that sounds scary, most active shooter drills are pretty common. So anyone aware of the layout of a building could probably figure it out without being specifically trained for that buildings procedure.
2. For most shooters at schools or businesses, isn't the shooter usually a current or former student or employee?
It isn't monthly. This is the 10th school shooting of 2018 where individuals were struck by bullets, 18th overall.
It's February.
I guess mass casualty shooting would be more accurate, yes.
I know I'm getting in the weeds on this one, but 10th? In the BBC article, they reference Everytown for Gun Safety's report that "It is the sixth school shooting incident in 2018 that has either wounded or killed students, according to the advocacy website." (Source: BBC, a news agency). Or were the other 4 where non-students were injured/killed?
The fact we're wondering if this is the 6th or the 10th school shooting 45 days into the year is so batshit insane.
I don't even have the faculties to express how I feel that this conversation has the ability to exist.
I'm getting it from ABC. I would imagine the specificity of the claim regarding students is likely the reason for the difference. Similar to 18 shootings, but if it only hit a wall that doesn't really "matter" in the same way.
I was about to say, in high school I was voted most likely to shoot up the school and I didn't, but upon reflection, yeah some mental health checkups would have been useful.
Gotcha...I was trying to figure out what would cause the difference (when typing up my post, I noticed the specificity of the BBC article).
My response to this starts veering into gun control discussion, but I'll just say that when rifles can be purchased by any 18-year old with a valid government-issued ID and can fill in the right bubbles on his/her NICS form, the ability for this conversation to exist is a near given.
This would be true if I were trying to argue that there's a difference. As it was, I was only asking for clarification on what I saw might have been a numerical discrepancy. As an analyst, those catch my eye and I'd like to know what's causing it.
British journalist. From several mass shootings ago.
Not much different from those inside.
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