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Florida School Shooting - At Least 17 Killed in Parkland
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Look, I was born 36 years after he died, I know him through the works that made him famous, which was anti-fascist for obvious reasons.
It's fine, I actually didnt know that so I appreciate the added information. I'm just defensive about Orwell because I've actually read 1984 and Animal Farm and it drives me up the goddamn walls when people quote those stories when they obviously havent read them and just want some random, out of context quotes to support their authoritiarian, anti-semitic views. It's funny how history's strongmen always think they're victims.
Like anybody who probably believes and retweets that guy would ever look anything about namby-pamby Europe up, much less visit it and see the truth for themselves
Also statistically putting an armed guard in every large school would send individual incidents like accidental shootings or shooting students who they think have a knife or gun skyrocketing.
Or maybe they're telling the truth, who knows! I just have a bee up my bonnet about efforts to discredit legitimate news organizations.
There was one. He was too far away to be of any use.
Surprisingly, security guards are not omniscient, omnipotent energy beings
Damn liberals, theyre probably against teams of heavily armed security guards patrolling schools in humvees
Wait are we a south american failed narco state?
Schools in Oklahoma can't afford teachers 5 days out of the week.
Did anyone else speak to piece of shit white supremacists leader besides the ADL? They seem to be the only source to have actually talked to him. All his tweets since the story broke have been contradicting the story.
I don't think this is discrediting the AP (which is actually normally solid) but I don't think they would be immune to not realizing that the ADL messed up here by using 4chan and a hotline as their sources.
Okay
A. There was a security guard. He was of no use.
B. What liberals are against security guards?
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Been poking around and came up with this article from the Tallahassee Democrat (a daily broadsheet newspaper that is owned by the Gannett Company): https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/
Apparently they spoke, briefly, with Jereb and followed up by looking at his social media presence (albeit, they do acknowledge that the social media account "bears Jereb's name," so they may have not been able to verify (yet) that it actually is him). From the article linked above:
And yeah, I haven't seen anybody try to discredit the AP...just to be cautious and verify what we read before we starts spreading news reports. I mean, that's just good standard practice regardless of what's being reported, isn't it?
Drones.
Armed predator drones circling our schools 24/7
The dude's Twitter account is suspended and I don't care enough to dig up cached stuff, but in the Google result info he says to check out this interview:
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/
So I'm leaning towards either the trolls trolling by saying they're trolling, or Jereb himself just lying.
e: or, as noted above, simply wrong
e2: and again, the reason I care so much about this is that presenting it as 4chan pulling a fast one over the media is playing right into the story they want to create out of it. Whether or not the dude actually associated with ROF, meh.
Which part is the lie? The original statement or the backpedaling? If I'm 100% honest with myself, I think the hint is in the phone conversation he had with the Tallahassee Democrat when he said "No way to put a good spin on all of this," so he may be trying to take back any association his group had with the shooter.
I would also raise my eyebrows a bit about the whole 'we have more than one person named Nikolas (or any variation of the Nicholas name)' from an organization with 12 members...but, I'm honestly not sure how common that name is in and around Tallahassee.
edit - but this is all conjecture using the data that's available. As it is, I'll likely preface any news I spread with "I haven't confirmed this, so take it with a grain of salt, buuuuut...."
I’m hoping they won’t be able to resist scrolling down the many hundred of European replies. Including mine.
I refrained from swearing and everything, just to make sure it would show up.
A and B - it only counts if he was an ARMED security guard.
I wish we could, but they have been amplified by the alt-right, and deliberate misinformation like this is getting read hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of times on Facebook and other social media sites.
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So if it’s the same person you’re referring to as “of no use,” the security guard was FUCKING HEROIC and gave his life to save a student:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-sp-douglas-shooting-victim-aaron-feis-20180214-story.html
I didn't realize the coach was also the security guard, but I was solely referring to stopping the gunman, since the argument is "only a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun".
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They didn’t mention if he was armed though, and according to these ars- people, only armed security guards count. Since liberals object to armed security guards.
(I’m almost certain what “liberals” object to is the need for armed security guards in schools, but I’m only a woman from a European country that has seen sectarian violence and acts of terrorism from long before I was born and that not only maintained a lower homicide rate throughout our terrorist war but that all through said war never saw the need for armed security guards in any school ever, but what the fuck do I know?)
I don't recall any firearms or guards at school in South Africa, but one day the police did tear gas my Uni campus. That was fun.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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No worries, I know what you meant in response to that turd’s tweet about his made up friend’s made up reaction.
It's mental illness, they're the reason.
It's the "pussification" of kids, they need to be beaten more.
It's antifa liberal rage. They are responsible for 90% of mass shootings.
This is what happens when you take God out of schools.
This is what happens when you take the Pledge of Allegiance out of schools.
I'm quietly fuming right now.
Jereb is a ridiculous dipshit who wants to be relevant. I would guess the former.
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/02/15/splc-statement-florida-school-shooters-reported-membership-white-nationalist-hate-group
Don't you see the only answer is so many guns the entire country is neck deep in them and to go anywhere you have to wade thru guns like a ball pit, but no one can be shot because of the wall of guns surrounding you at all times!
What, just have less guns you say? crazytalk
Usually, it's something from the victims family and/or classmates speaking. Talking, screaming, begging, crying for something to be done.
And then the news report will say, "President Donald Trump spoke today and said that school safety will be his administrations first priority. But he said nothing about increased gun control."
And they just leave it there, hanging there, in the air. The unspoken, the most heavy pause of a mere second at most that carries with it the most amazing damnation of everything American and Trumpian about the situation.
One news report even mentioned that "President Obama tried many times to do something but was always unsuccessful". There is always a pause, always a moment of "if we could speak our minds we would have so many words, but we will leave them for you to hear if you are listening" at the end of each report.
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They had just had a lockdown drill recently, which I hope helped
I’m not expecting local news to go on an anti-Republican rant but why did they not simply add “Obama was unsuccessful because all Republicans and some Democrats in Congress opposed gun control measure being taken?”
He certainly was aware of his actions and the consequences. You could say he is "disturbed", but that doesn't really mean anything.
It is a way to separate him from the general gun owning public and provide an out for gun lovers. He was not like us, he was sick, none of us would ever do that. Etc.
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because totally healthy individuals with no issues are randomly violent and say things like they want to grow up to be school shooters
I don't think anyone is saying he didn't have "issues", but the decisions were still his. Trying to blame a vague concept like mentall illness just seems bizarre.
Does anyone who commits murder have a mental illness?
If they're white. It's been noted before, but the default assumption/reporting basically depends on the color of their skin.
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Yeah actually they are. We are violent animals, barely contained by our own sense of right and wrong. And yes a teenager trying to be edgy would definitely say that kind of stupid shit. There is, as far as I am aware, no pattern or signs that a person is going to commit a mass shooting. So not sure what your point is here.
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That there has to be something wrong with a mass murderer.
Possibly, i'm not convinced though.
Otherwise sane people can have beliefs, opinions and sets of information they act upon that can cause them to do monstrous things.
The question of what to do to help sociopaths is uncertain and expensive. It’d have to be some sort of intensive therapy while growing up. Medical science has no certain idea of how to help young people growing up with strong criminal tendencies.
I’m certain that Trump and the Republicans don’t want to pour billions into research and treatment for troubled youths. For them “mental illness” is just another term for “act of God” - something bad that happens that we can’t do anything about.