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The Mueller Investigation Thread - in which Rudy Guiliani talks about obstruction
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The House results could conceivably be used as an excuse for Trump to declare mission accomplished and fire Mueller. But I think he's had plenty of chances to do that so far, and he still won't be willing to risk it given everything that's come out by now.
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Occasionally I need to step back and remind myself that most people don't know or care who Nunes is, they just hear "House Russia Investigation closed down after a year, finds nothing."
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Maybe the general public right now. But if Trump tries to do that then the dems on that committee flood the air waves with all the crooked shit they committee did. Like Nunes flat out leaked senate texts to fox news, democrats are playing nice for now, they fuck that up and that shits going on full blast.
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I feel like you're overestimating the Democratic Party's messaging.
I suspect Mueller just drops something the minute the House committee wraps up and steals the news cycle.
In my dream world, he drops charges against Nunes. But in my dream world, Trump isn't president, so...
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/377087-uae-adviser-eyed-in-mueller-probe-is-cooperating-with-special-counsel
The thread title was supposed to be a play on the AC/DC song “Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap”, dunno if anyone picked up on it though
The “knowingly accept” part is the key here and Mueller has to find out if Trump himself knowingly took the money
But if he did, I can’t imagine this group of clownshoes fucklechucks didn’t send some email with a subject line “Re: the crimes we’re doing that Trump Sr. knows about”
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I'm sure the DC Trump hotel has opened numerous channels for foreign entities trying to influence Trump. I know the Kuwaiti consulate changed one of their major events from Four Seasons, which they had used for ages, to Trump's hotel. I wonder if Mueller has tried to keep an eye on their guest list.
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Notable notes for 2018 prior to Nunberg losing his shit:
July 27, 2017
Congress passes near unanimous legislation (CAATSA) mandating increased sanctions against Russia, and limits the President's ability to rescind them.
Aug 2, 2017
Trump quietly signs CAATSA into law with a caveat that he may choose not to enforce it. The White House is given 180 days (Jan 29th, 2018) to produce a list of sanctions recommendations.
2018
Week of Jan 22-26th:
The head of the FSB and Sergey Naryshkin, the Chief of Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), secretly enter the US to meet with DNI Coats, allegedly to discuss counter terrorism cooperation.
The Washington Post would later report that Igor Koborov, Chief of Russia's Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU), was in the US at the same time, but his purpose or presence would not be officially confirmed. The Post stands by their source. Koborov and his deputies at the GRU were placed under US sanctions in Dec 2016 for their role in cyber attacks during the election.
Jan 25
4 days before the Russian sanctions recommendation required by CAATSA is due to be delivered to Congress, an expert consulting on its development is told that senior administration officials have thrown out the well researched list of sanctions targets and replaced it with a list of top government officials and a list of the 96 wealthiest Russian nationals that appeared on the Forbes 2017 list of Billionaires.
Jan 29, 2300 EST
White House delivers the sanctions list, approved by Steve Mnuchin (Sec Treasury), to Congress just short of midnight. Announces that it will not be pursuing sanctions, claiming that the threat of sanctions alone has already impacted Russia's foreign military sales.
Jan 31
The Washington post first reports the visits by the heads of Russia's three intelligence organizations, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer demands DNI Coates explain the purpose of meeting with the SVR and FSB chiefs in a letter, the response to which would shed no further light on Koborov.
That whole bit still seems big and timeline friendly.
And probably for cheap, too.
Nope!
But it’s my birthday!
And I am at least reasonably drunk!
... but keeping tabs on these threads is also keeping me at least a little sober.
Since November 2016, yes
Things keeping me positive about this investigation in the last two hours:
Which means Michael Cohen can't even complain about having to eat the $130,000 payment that Trump was supposed to reimburse him for, given his client didn't officially agree to the deal. (And if Trump had, or claims, no knowledge of it, the lawsuit suggests Cohen could be disbarred)
Kellyanne just got slapped with the Hatch Act again (re: AL special election); the parameters of which, the Office of Special.Council was quick to point out, she was to have been made specifically aware of not even a year prior.
IANAL, but... strictly speaking, signatures or written deals are not required for an agreement to be enforceable in court. It's just drastically harder without them (although I think a recording of a verbal agreement would carry similar weight?).
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I have always heard verbal contracts are worth the paper they are printed on. If you don't have it in writing you don't have shit.
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A contract is a contract regardless of the medium. However, it has to include the elements of a true contract in order to be considered valid. So a verbal contract can be enforceable provided it has said elements.
If someone says 'nuh uh!' then what do you have?
Like, even if it does get proven valid, the cat is going to be so far out of the bag, it'll be in a new zip code.
Like, "I had sex with Donald Trump while he was married" will be entered into the public record, under oath.
Fucking hell!
ideally you've got a recording, but obviously that never happens, so witnesses might be used, and often the behavior of the principals is examined to evaluate whether they both behaved as though a contract was in place, until one of them breached it
at the level of the people at issue in this thread, any non-frivolous breach of verbal contract lawsuit is going to be settled before going to trial 100% of the time
What's truly scary is, if one incompetent, amphetamine addicted*, frequently bankrupt idiot can achieve all this, what are the competent ones doing? If he hadn't made the monumentally stupid error of running for president, would any of this have ever come out?
*allegedly
A competently evil administration wouldn't be trying to do all this shit at once to begin with. You pick one or two evil things at a time, max. They go over this first semester at evil business school.
All 1000 level courses at Wharton were on fourth floors of buildings with no elevators.* Those darned bone spurs were a hindrance decades into the future. Who knew?
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Am I the only one that had a brief flash of Nunberg & Page having an affair flick through my mind?
He doesn't want to hand over the emails because there's some love notes or something?
No?
Just me?
Ok then.
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As well as half your country's ability to believe anything that doesn't fit their already existing conclusions or that comes from The Enemy.
It's the details where they've caused the most destruction. They've destroyed numerous lives with their anti-immigration policies (which are ongoing), and essentially made State a husk which will take literally decades to repair just with this last year.
And that's not getting into the obvious disastrous consequences for rolling over for Russia on the intelligence side and other concerns, which may take years or decades to figure out how compromised everything is and to fix the holes.
Yeah, I mean, ultimately what we have going on here is a failure of accountability not a failure of figuring out what is going on. Basically it turns out it's really easy to get away with crime when the "police" and the "courts" don't want to stop you committing crime right in front of them.
They are basically running down the street stabbing people in broad daylight and it's only happening because the police are just watching it happening and shrugging. This is not master criminal work.
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An illicit relationship with a Page? He'd have to have some Congressional ambitions.
But, no, it more seemed like concern for Stone coupled with mounting comprehension of both the implacability of his investigators and the complete disloyalty of those he served.
Finally caught up on the Numberg thing this morning and holy shit, he basically committed seppuku right there on air.
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Stormy Daniels isn't on topic here, neither is the Kellyann thing.
Please resist the urge to use this thread to talk about anything Trump. Or the urge to use it as a place to chat about your personal despair, or lack thereof. That's not what it's for.
The Seychelles meeting is from here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/us/politics/george-nader-special-counsel-mueller-cooperating-seychelles.html
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