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Comey's Goddamn Book [A Higher Loyalty]
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Wasn't there stuff with Bill Clinton and a chicken? Or maybe that was Bush 1?
yeah this trend started with Democrats and Bush v Clinton.
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I also happen to find all versions of this hilarious. It's something they'd do on a late-night talk show.
If there's a legacy that needs to be dropped from a great height to make sure it shatters, it's Hoover's.
And thus ends our discussion of mascot use in past elections.
Yes.
Thanks for writing this up, I was getting around to posting something similar about the difference between fear and respect. Sleep’s post about loving and fearing the ocean, while a great post, doesn’t really quite get to the heart of the matter.
The ocean is not sentient, has no purpose, and doesn’t give a single bother about anyone or anything. Not so with our laws, legislators, nor LEOs, since they’re supposed to protect and (attempt) to make whole those that have been harmed. And Comey’s myopia about shitty Republican policies being a large contributor to crime (white collar and otherwise) is just trite at this point.
That motherfucker felt so bad over swearing?
Can you help me understand where you're extrapolating this myopia from? This seems like yet another example of jumping four steps ahead in the argument. There's just nothing that I can find to base this attack on, except that he's been designated A Bad Guy by the left.
We think he’s a person with good intentions who fucked up in 2016 but didn’t deserve the treatment Trump and the right gave/have been giving him; in the context of this discussion he’s also emblematic of the way our nation’s law enforcement infrastructure and leadership seem largely blind to its flaws and inequities.
But you know if you want to sum that up to “bad guy,” cool?
That motherfucker put drapes on the statues lest we be tempted by their stony teats
Nah. Comey deserves it.
But just because we think someone deserves comeuppance doesn’t mean we punish them because that is not how proper states work
Yes yes but how to get Nepal to accept him hmmm
Comey doesn't deserve the bashing from the right because their reasoning for hating him is stupid and he's done them basically no harm besides not bowing to trump hard enough
“Deserve” doesn’t care about who meets out punishment. You’re thinking of revenge or righteousness. Deserve is attached the the person and their actions only. And Comey deserves it.
Just because what Republicans are doing is also wrong doesn’t grant absolution to Comey
Astaereth: actually we have a pretty nuanced view of Comey on the left and-
Thread left wing: nah
Comey is a Bad Guy in the same banal way most “Not Just Here for the Racism” Republicans are. He thinks his happiness doesn’t come at the expense of others, and therefore he doesn’t owe anyone anything.
So spending his special tax dollars in ways he doesn’t agree with doesn’t sit right with him, and assumes anyone who isn’t currently a productive member of society would still not be if they could afford food, housing, and clothing through means other than criminal.
Just because we have a different nuance than he thinks doesn’t mean it’s not nuanced.
Comey may not be “the bad guy” but if you were writing a novel then “overwhelming guilt over his cowardice and failures driving him to be a better person” would be the only spin you could put on it going forward and still have them be the hero.
If that action were the last thing he had done in a novel with him as the primary character then it would have to end as a tragedy with his resignation in disgrace in order to have a sembalance of Justice rather than an object lesson in how you can get away with evil things.
This just seems completely made up. Can you point me to places in the book where you're getting this interpretation? Or anywhere else?
ebum and Sammich are not the entire thread, so please don’t do this. Even I thought “Slow it down a bit” when I read that.
For someone who constantly complains about not being treated fairly by other people I sure do see a lot of posts from you that are totally without value. I don't know, maybe you're just kind of a jackass, and not a put upon voice of reason? I'll put it in my notes to investigate further.
No amount of bloviating about his personal honor can overcome that. James Comey is an unethical villain who is now getting rich based off of his own lack of ethics. That he was treated terribly by an even more unethical, cruder villain doesn't change any of that. The unnuanced take is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Im joking for the most part about the "take all his stuff" business but when it comes to evaluating the personal morality of a guy who oversaw the Bush era FBI I'm not that interested in nuance because he carried around a nice quote.
At some point "nah fuck that guy" will suffice.
Like $2500 drapes
Because that, racism, guns, and religion are almost the entirety of the Republican platform. I mean, is there anything in the book suggesting otherwise?
Uncompromising legalism is a scrouge of ethics and humanity.
*stares at history of the FBI in the 20th century*
...eh
It's only worse because it was related to an election.
Well, it's a different kind of offense against democracy than the usual ones at the FBI. Which was usually focused on intimidating minorities or labor.
I actually do have a lot of respect for Comey, though that may be my Republican roots showing. I think he made bad, bad, bad decisions, but I believe his reasoning for why he made those decisions and understand why he though that was his only choice. And I don't think he's wrong in saying that fear of consequence is what keeps humanity from the brink. We have examples everywhere. To use another business example, It's the reason we don't believe telecoms when they say we don't need legislation on net neutrality because of course they won't abuse it, how could you think such a mean thing of them! You can go five more steps deep into "fear of consequence" and make it sound like something it's not, but I really don't know who that's supposed to help.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
You'll note the FBI's actual rules on ethics don't factor into this decision. He did it because he was afraid of the right wing noise machine, if we're being generous. Cowardice is not a tragic flaw I can respect in a villain.
Suddenly, the ethics of not interfering in an election matter again.
The simple truth of the matter is that both presidential candidates were under investigation by the FBI in the 2016 election. Even if you think the whole email thing was an actual offense (I do not, but sure), the threat to national security represented by a private email server of the Secretary of State is far less than the president or their key advisers being blackmailed or assisted by a hostile foreign power.
And yet, one of these investigations had be publicized by Comey ON THE RECORD in July and then obviously going to be leaked in October, but the far more serious investigation did not require such an intervention because it was "too late" in October for them to interfere, and the discussions administration officials were having on background were sufficient.
There is absolutely no way in my mind to square those two actions that allows you to consider Comey anything other than villainous or pathetic.
It seems to be pay pretty well. $2 million advance, and still waiting for the royalties to roll in? Not bad.
Not my point. The ocean is neither a moral entity nor a system we have set up to regulate aspects of our society. It is quite literally a force of nature. Much like the god comparison, the analogy breaks down because while you might argue that one should fear the ocean, it is hard to argue that you should fear your fellow man. That is, that it is just to fear your fellow man. The ocean simply is, there is no justice involved. But the system that is our society is controlled by us and thus can be just or unjust. You could certainly fear to be dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night by the secret police, but that's not the same as saying that you should fear that.
You don't need to fear or respect the law to appreciate it, or want to change it. The law, in a moral sense, should simply reflect justice. My concern for changing the law is out of a sense of justice, not fear.