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Trump Admin Immigration Policy Thread - DACA, ICE, etc
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Okay I'm cutting you both off right now. Please do not back and forth argue about this tangential topic. Thanks.
Full transcript I referred to last night.
Glancing around the major news sites earlier this morning it can't even crack the news cycle.
I've seen it a few places. But yeah, even googling for it doesn't seem to turn up major cable outlets covering the story as a big deal.
So yes, Trump very obviously did this
Edit: WSJ this morning:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-blames-democrats-for-his-administrations-migrant-family-separation-policy-1527353230
Whenever you hear from this admin about how great their policy worked over the summer, and how terrible it is now: Know that they are referencing a complete outlier that is practically an inversion of all previous seasonal trends. Immigration spiked before Trump took office in FY17, then dropped, unrelated to any policy this administration put forth. FY18 is pretty average in all ways.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
Note: That chart includes people properly presenting themselves to checkpoints, they would not be charged. The monthly average for FY18 was ~26,000 through FEB, and MAR - APR are sitting at ~37,500. Check link for stats.
So, now this: I was curious how 100% prosecution would compare to... x? How often do we already do this?
Vox observes that we only appeared to charge a little more than 10% of those apprehended prior to this policy. I noted the rate change in March because it seems(?) unlikely that the people convicted in March were actually apprehended in March.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/8/17327512/sessions-illegal-immigration-border-asylum-families
NBC offers an anecdote from last week that appears to fit the trend one might expect if the prosecution rate increased tenfold, and the frequency increased by 50%:
But that may not actually reflect the full impact, because previously, deference was given to people with children. That quote notes only 700 were separated from OCT-APR. CBP reports that fifty thousand people crossed the border as "family units" during that period. Were only 7000 kids? Because that seems low.
Now recall that from the start of FY17 (Orange) to DEC FY18 (red), we lost 20% of the kids we separated. I don't care what reforms they put in place, if we're dumping ten times the load on ORR and haven't dumped ten times the cash on them, I don't see how that missing number can go anywhere but up.
I was going to make this real effort post and now cite all the memos about how this is a deterrence game, and contrast them with all the public denials, but I accidentally found myself reading the CBP's recommendations on reducing illegal crossings from Oct 2016 and got somehow even sadder:
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I would think, if anything, immigration unusually dropped due to this administration. They are nakedly anti-immigration.
For a brief bit, until people realized he was just full of bullshit. The numbers are basically back to normal.
The DHS, as a centralized hub of intelligence has the opportunity to make sense, if it were run properly. It is ICE that has no moral function
It's been a conservative through-line for a while. It's an easy way to equate all Latinx people with danger.
"We're not racist, we're just talking about criminals!"
Conveniently, they leave out the fact that they seem to think that all hispanics are MS-13. Which is, of course, pretty frickin' racist.
It's the same shit they do with Muslims. They're only concerned about the "extreme" ones, but then go around talking about how Islam is such an extreme thing.
This shit just digs into me on a personal level. My parents are immigrants. My late brother was an immigrant (was pretty much all American, considering that he was brought to the US as a baby). My uncle and my late aunt? Both immigrants. The kind, old Italian man who lived acrosss the street from me as a kid? Immigrant. I've been around immigrants my entire life, and I have to keep hearing all this ignorant talk about people like my family is just so infuriating.
Fox News has been talking about them a lot.
Josh Marshall is the editor and publisher of TPM.
Fuck all the way off you duplicitous bigots
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I guess...allowing residents to live undocumented increases the likelihood of trafficking? It doesn't really matter, they just needed something that contained all the keywords conservative voters look for.
That seems backward. Traffickers are likely to use fear of ICE as a means to exert control over their victims.
Well first off, the people saying it are apparently racist monsters, and secondly, they are also liars.
Now whether or not that holds any water, no clue.
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For the people this statement is talking to, it's logically consistent, based on existing bias.
That makes sense for some, but we don't actually have any idea if that is the case (obviously) so throwing up hands and going "Problem solved!" seems to be a bad idea