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Washington Post has a disgraceful op-ed from Michael Anton, a white supremacist//Trump administration official, arguing for the end of birthright citizenship.
The most effective way of getting a child to stop demanding something is to tell them they will get it later. Children are trained to trust adults who say this. "Yes, you can watch TV after 6pm if you do your homework." is a contract between child and adult. These guards were breaking this contract in a most sadistic fashion. They did not think of these children as human children who need their parents.
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There's so many layers to the torture there.
1. Constant lighting
2. Removal of time and lack of outdoor exposure
3. Separation from family
4. Dangling false promises of reunion with family
5. Being kept in unsanitary conditions leading to sickness
I'm probably missing something, too. That's how terrible these shit stains are.
I called my congresscritter today. They said on twitter some bland "men and women who work for ICE are not the problem and focusing in & harping on the people who work at an agency is nothing more than a political stunt, we need to take bipartisan action to fix the policies of this administration."
I told them the following. "I recognize the bill that speaker ryan put on to the floor was just a stunt. But bipartisan compromise with a bunch of racist fascists who are torturing children is not the way forward. Yes we do need some form of immigration control, but this agency was rogue under Obama, and is committing human rights abuses now. The organization that enabled this should be torn apart, and the ICE agents that did this belong in jail.
I called my congresscritter today. They said on twitter some bland "men and women who work for ICE are not the problem and focusing in & harping on the people who work at an agency is nothing more than a political stunt, we need to take bipartisan action to fix the policies of this administration."
I told them the following. "I recognize the bill that speaker ryan put on to the floor was just a stunt. But bipartisan compromise with a bunch of racist fascists who are torturing children is not the way forward. Yes we do need some form of immigration control, but this agency was rogue under Obama, and is committing human rights abuses now. The organization that enabled this should be torn apart, and the ICE agents that did this belong in jail.
Kurt Schrader of Oregon's 5th is what came up googling that quote.
Later today the House will vote on a do-nothing resolution supporting the men and women who work at ICE. The men and women working for ICE are not the problem, and focusing in and harping on the people who work at an agency is nothing more than a political stunt. There are real problems that need to be addressed like the horrendous policies by this administration that separate and persecute families seeking asylum without due process. We have totally vacant leadership in Congress. Instead of taking impulsive and ridiculous, exploitative votes, we should do our job and take real bipartisan, thoughtful action on immigration.
D+2 district at the presidential level, though the House races haven't been single digits since the 90s it looks like.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
I can kind of see what he was going for there but he mucked it up real bad. I agree the resolution sounds like a bullshit political stunt. Shoulda just left it at that.
Washington Post has a disgraceful op-ed from Michael Anton, a white supremacist//Trump administration official, arguing for the end of birthright citizenship.
I'm not sure I have a problem with that. As long as it's Michael Anton being the first to be struck from the citizenship rolls.
These fuckers. Seriously, can we just buy out Iceland or somewhere, declare it New White America, and all these fuckers can bugger off there and leave the rest of the country alone? Heck, make Donnie "King", and we won't have to worry about him trying to do that either.
Hi my parents are both immigrants, having moved here when they were children. One from Portugal, the other from Mexico. They eventually found each other when they became adults and then I was born in Palo Alto, California.
So I guess I shouldn't be a citizen and you 'don't have a problem with that'?
Did you read the rest of his post?
I'm not sure why you think that would matter. Is it so hard to understand that saying something like that, even in jest, is extremely insensitive and in poor taste while we have a literal genocide happening with children in concentration camps? Perhaps Henroid doesn't have the privilege to be able to ignore what is actually a concerning threat to them and their family?
Telling people to check their privilege is not helpful or constructive here. Please don't do it.
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Article is full of shitty things. Like dicking over her lawyer, reporting her full name (when DV participants normally aren't), etc. But the cherry on this turd sundae is...
"Maria’s 2-year-old son, who was in the courthouse’s daycare center at the time, was left behind.
Mother and teenage son were held for about six hours before they were released to be reunited with the 2-year-old, the Observer said."
And yes, she was there as a defendant, but as the story states, the allegation was the charges were retaliatory for charges initially filed against the ex-fiance, and it's likely ICE were told by the scorned.
So, if you're a complete fucking asshole, and want to punish someone you know is undocumented, just swear out a charge against them for a misdemeanour, and then drop the dime on them. Don't worry, ICE has your back, shitweasel.
I feel like a broken record in pointing this out: But ICE are fascists. They care about one thing and one thing alone. Their power.
Their power.
They're not going to cooperate with local enforcement. They're not going to care about any victims anywhere of anything.
We think and reflect on this situation as being absurd but it's anything but. Viewed from the perspective of exerting, gathering, and maintaining power, it's exactly what you would do.
It's not enough to disband ICE, abolish the office of Homeland Security, and prosecute these people. We need a wholesale revision of what it means to be a US citizen and the path you can take to become one and bolster it in ways that organizations such as ICE have as much difficulty as possible in rising again.
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Gillibrand is now saying the first thing Democrats should do if they take control of the House and Senate is "deal with the children on the border and get rid of ICE."
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Article is full of shitty things. Like dicking over her lawyer, reporting her full name (when DV participants normally aren't), etc. But the cherry on this turd sundae is...
"Maria’s 2-year-old son, who was in the courthouse’s daycare center at the time, was left behind.
Mother and teenage son were held for about six hours before they were released to be reunited with the 2-year-old, the Observer said."
And yes, she was there as a defendant, but as the story states, the allegation was the charges were retaliatory for charges initially filed against the ex-fiance, and it's likely ICE were told by the scorned.
So, if you're a complete fucking asshole, and want to punish someone you know is undocumented, just swear out a charge against them for a misdemeanour, and then drop the dime on them. Don't worry, ICE has your back, shitweasel.
the absolute sad thing is: under Obama, ICE wasn't all that great either, but they would not follow up on such referrals. their internal policy at the time was to ignore them precisely because of the retaliatory situation above.
A lot of people think that being against ICE is being against all immigration limits and enforcement.
Its the same thing with legalization of abortion and legalization of drugs.
Ah yes, we want every baby aborted and everyone on drugs. That is exactly it.
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"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Those poll numbers are signs of a campaign that is working. Faster than usual, too.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Those poll numbers are signs of a campaign that is working. Faster than usual, too.
Its also worth keeping in mind this isn't a ballot measure or something. An issue campaign can be a success if it only fires up the base to show up. Majority support is nice, but we're living in times that prove its not all that matters.
59% of americans have no overriding negative perspective on a racial purity police which can ignore the law.
Good to know.
Wait, I mean horrifying
People are not naturally inclined to assume malevolence of their own enforcement agencies. Like, the majority of Americans probably interacts with these guys for 10 minutes at an airport and then go on with their day.
Not suggesting that the ignorance is justifiable, but it should NOT be surprising.
59% of americans have no overriding negative perspective on a racial purity police which can ignore the law.
Good to know.
Wait, I mean horrifying
Hey like 15 years ago most of us were perfectly fine with gay people as second class citizens. We fight, and we win.
The number above are only meaningful in the context of what they were like a year ago or even like 4 months ago, when they were probably way worse.
Like, 11% since April. That's some good movement.
I honestly would have guessed it at ~67% instead, so how good the numbers are also depends on your priors. If this continues it'll be an amazing groundswell by the time the 116th Congress is sworn in.
59% of americans have no overriding negative perspective on a racial purity police which can ignore the law.
Good to know.
Wait, I mean horrifying
Hey like 15 years ago most of us were perfectly fine with gay people as second class citizens. We fight, and we win.
The number above are only meaningful in the context of what they were like a year ago or even like 4 months ago, when they were probably way worse.
Like, 11% since April. That's some good movement.
I honestly would have guessed it at ~67% instead, so how good the numbers are also depends on your priors. If this continues it'll be an amazing groundswell by the time the 116th Congress is sworn in.
Like so many things, the GOP could completely defang us on this issue by making flashy token gestures at reigning in ICE but they'll let the atrocities continue unabated.
Personally I would not care if ICE was reformed rather than disbanded, but Democrats have lost many elections with complex, boring messages like that. "Disband ICE" is two words, simple, inspiring. Compromising by reforming them may be how it ends up, but that's not how you win elections.
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Personally I would not care if ICE was reformed rather than disbanded, but Democrats have lost many elections with complex, boring messages like that. "Disband ICE" is two words, simple, inspiring. Compromising by reforming them may be how it ends up, but that's not how you win elections.
It'd be awesome for once if people were concerned with resolving an issue rather than winning elections.
I understand the latter is necessary, but really, if that's accomplished there's no reason why the platform shouldn't be executed on. That's what ends up burning so many peoples' asses and end up not voting later down the line.
If you're going to campaign on abolishing ICE, you damn well better follow through on it, because you're going to do a lot of damage if you don't. And that's on top of the life-destroying that ICE does.
Edit - tl;dr - the plight of POC is fucking real and anyone who abuses that for popular slogans and doesn't make any effort to help said POC is the fucking worse, no better than any ICE agent of Trump himself.
59% of americans have no overriding negative perspective on a racial purity police which can ignore the law.
Good to know.
Wait, I mean horrifying
Hey like 15 years ago most of us were perfectly fine with gay people as second class citizens. We fight, and we win.
The number above are only meaningful in the context of what they were like a year ago or even like 4 months ago, when they were probably way worse.
Like, 11% since April. That's some good movement.
I honestly would have guessed it at ~67% instead, so how good the numbers are also depends on your priors. If this continues it'll be an amazing groundswell by the time the 116th Congress is sworn in.
Like so many things, the GOP could completely defang us on this issue by making flashy token gestures at reigning in ICE but they'll let the atrocities continue unabated.
They actually couldn't though, because the crazier part of their base that they've zip-tied themselves to would freak the fuck out. This is the same reason they will never pass even token gun control legislation. Any form of compromise is viewed as treason.
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And I ended my subscription in response to it.
But this thread isn't about the press, so let's move on.
1. Constant lighting
2. Removal of time and lack of outdoor exposure
3. Separation from family
4. Dangling false promises of reunion with family
5. Being kept in unsanitary conditions leading to sickness
I'm probably missing something, too. That's how terrible these shit stains are.
I told them the following. "I recognize the bill that speaker ryan put on to the floor was just a stunt. But bipartisan compromise with a bunch of racist fascists who are torturing children is not the way forward. Yes we do need some form of immigration control, but this agency was rogue under Obama, and is committing human rights abuses now. The organization that enabled this should be torn apart, and the ICE agents that did this belong in jail.
Jesus fucking shit.
I think it counts as civil disobedience as long as you don't fight the consequences.
It's what Thoreau did.
What the fuck? Who's your Congressperson?
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D+2 district at the presidential level, though the House races haven't been single digits since the 90s it looks like.
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That's what I'm most surprised about.
Telling people to check their privilege is not helpful or constructive here. Please don't do it.
I feel like a broken record in pointing this out: But ICE are fascists. They care about one thing and one thing alone. Their power.
Their power.
They're not going to cooperate with local enforcement. They're not going to care about any victims anywhere of anything.
We think and reflect on this situation as being absurd but it's anything but. Viewed from the perspective of exerting, gathering, and maintaining power, it's exactly what you would do.
It's not enough to disband ICE, abolish the office of Homeland Security, and prosecute these people. We need a wholesale revision of what it means to be a US citizen and the path you can take to become one and bolster it in ways that organizations such as ICE have as much difficulty as possible in rising again.
the absolute sad thing is: under Obama, ICE wasn't all that great either, but they would not follow up on such referrals. their internal policy at the time was to ignore them precisely because of the retaliatory situation above.
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Its the same thing with legalization of abortion and legalization of drugs.
Ah yes, we want every baby aborted and everyone on drugs. That is exactly it.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Its also funny how much the left response to that is, "Well I mean...but no that's not what we're actually talking about here"
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Its also worth keeping in mind this isn't a ballot measure or something. An issue campaign can be a success if it only fires up the base to show up. Majority support is nice, but we're living in times that prove its not all that matters.
59% of americans have no overriding negative perspective on a racial purity police which can ignore the law.
Good to know.
Wait, I mean horrifying
Hey like 15 years ago most of us were perfectly fine with gay people as second class citizens. We fight, and we win.
People are not naturally inclined to assume malevolence of their own enforcement agencies. Like, the majority of Americans probably interacts with these guys for 10 minutes at an airport and then go on with their day.
Not suggesting that the ignorance is justifiable, but it should NOT be surprising.
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The number above are only meaningful in the context of what they were like a year ago or even like 4 months ago, when they were probably way worse.
Like, 11% since April. That's some good movement.
And 11% without any real organized party support. It's been almost entirely a citizen movement.
I honestly would have guessed it at ~67% instead, so how good the numbers are also depends on your priors. If this continues it'll be an amazing groundswell by the time the 116th Congress is sworn in.
Like so many things, the GOP could completely defang us on this issue by making flashy token gestures at reigning in ICE but they'll let the atrocities continue unabated.
I understand the latter is necessary, but really, if that's accomplished there's no reason why the platform shouldn't be executed on. That's what ends up burning so many peoples' asses and end up not voting later down the line.
If you're going to campaign on abolishing ICE, you damn well better follow through on it, because you're going to do a lot of damage if you don't. And that's on top of the life-destroying that ICE does.
Edit - tl;dr - the plight of POC is fucking real and anyone who abuses that for popular slogans and doesn't make any effort to help said POC is the fucking worse, no better than any ICE agent of Trump himself.
They actually couldn't though, because the crazier part of their base that they've zip-tied themselves to would freak the fuck out. This is the same reason they will never pass even token gun control legislation. Any form of compromise is viewed as treason.