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Forget It Jake, It's [Gotham]

ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
edited May 2018 in Social Entropy++
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Do you know Batman?

You think you know the story of Bruce Wayne and the twisted city he is trying to save?

Think again.

This is our young soon-to-be vigilante, Bruce Wayne
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And our hero, not-Batman Detective Jim Gordan.
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With the actual best lead character in the show, Oswald 'The Penguin' Cobblepot.
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But the best character arc in the show as been over Edward 'The Riddler' Nygma.
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Tips
Fish Mooney is the worst, so you'll have to endure her in the first season (but you're good after that).

The show truly finds its feet in the second season.

So come on in, take off your shoes and enjoy one of the best superhero television programs on right now.

I'm going to say that everything in the first season is open to talk about, with the second & third seasons closed-spoilers until the fourth season is on Netflix (and then it will be closed-spoilers).

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    FINALLY.

    A+ thread title, too.

    So happy I'm almost Fish-free. Only a few episodes left.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Gotta say, I love the fact that whoever does Cobblepot's hair just gets really fucking drunk and listens to a different My Chemical Romance song every week when they decide how to style it for each episode.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    so has this show gone into the fact that Gotham is built over the prison for a demon called Barbatos yet

  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    Fish really is the worst. Remember that episode that ends with her yelling and charging directly at a guy triple her size? What a weird little sideplot that did absolutely nothing.

    I have a podcast about Digimon called the Digital Moncast, on Audio Entropy.
  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I do not know what to make of Barbara Kean's Fancy Apartment For Wayward Girls. It's bordering on super weird.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    why do you keep spelling jim gordon's name wrong

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    why do you keep spelling jim gordon's name wrong

    That's how I vocally say it!

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  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    so has this show gone into the fact that Gotham is built over the prison for a demon called Barbatos yet

    i would not be surprised if that is the plot for season five

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  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    edited May 2018
    so i am gonna rank my top ten gotham villains, but some of them are spoilers

    don't click here unless you wanna know about some fuckin' spoilers
    10 azrael
    09. evil michel chiklis
    08. jerome velasca
    07.the mad hatter
    06. hugo strange
    05. evil lea tompkins
    04. professor pyg
    03. victor zsazz
    02. the riddler
    01. the penguin

    Rorshach Kringle on
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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    so i am gonna rank my top ten gotham villains, but some of them are spoilers

    don't click here unless you wanna know about some fuckin' spoilers
    10 mr. freeze
    09. azrael
    08. evil michel chiklis
    07. jerome velasca
    06. the mad hatter
    05. evil lea tompkins
    04. professor pyg
    03. victor zsazz
    02. the riddle
    01. the penguin

    WHERE THE HELL IS
    DR. HUGO STRANGE???

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  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    so i am gonna rank my top ten gotham villains, but some of them are spoilers

    don't click here unless you wanna know about some fuckin' spoilers
    10 mr. freeze
    09. azrael
    08. evil michel chiklis
    07. jerome velasca
    06. the mad hatter
    05. evil lea tompkins
    04. professor pyg
    03. victor zsazz
    02. the riddle
    01. the penguin

    WHERE THE HELL IS
    DR. HUGO STRANGE???

    fuck

    i gotta fix this real quick

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  • SadgasmSadgasm Deluded doodler A cold placeRegistered User regular
    Nope, sorry, Ive watched it and tried to get interested but it's fundamentally pointless knowing that for Batman to exist, Gotham has to keep going to hell, so the entire series is a flawed premise.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    You heard it folks, shut it down & pack it up!

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    This may be my favorite show on TV right now.

    The only issue I have is that some characters have kind of fallen to the wayside and they haven’t been used very well lately.
    Like Penguin

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  • HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    I've only seen maybe the first 3 or so episodes of season 1 and fucking haaaaaaated it

    Does it really get better?

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  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    HeadCreeps wrote: »
    I've only seen maybe the first 3 or so episodes of season 1 and fucking haaaaaaated it

    Does it really get better?

    Yes

    I have a podcast about Digimon called the Digital Moncast, on Audio Entropy.
  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    so i am gonna rank my top ten gotham villains, but some of them are spoilers

    don't click here unless you wanna know about some fuckin' spoilers
    10 azrael
    09. evil michel chiklis
    08. jerome velasca
    07.the mad hatter
    06. hugo strange
    05. evil lea tompkins
    04. professor pyg
    03. victor zsazz
    02. the riddler
    01. the penguin
    This is close to accurate. Bump #5 down to #8, moving everyone up, and it's perfect.
    Wait, do you mean Evil as in toxin-Lee, or the current iteration of her?

    Unrelated, toxin-Lee's makeup game was on point.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I AM THE LAW

  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Also, @Rorshach Kringle I have a problem with the title you've assigned #9.
    He's not evil. He's just hyperfocused on taking down people who have broken the law by killing them.

    One could say that he is exactly what the city needs.

  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    so i am gonna rank my top ten gotham villains, but some of them are spoilers

    don't click here unless you wanna know about some fuckin' spoilers
    10 azrael
    09. evil michel chiklis
    08. jerome velasca
    07.the mad hatter
    06. hugo strange
    05. evil lea tompkins
    04. professor pyg
    03. victor zsazz
    02. the riddler
    01. the penguin
    This is close to accurate. Bump #5 down to #8, moving everyone up, and it's perfect.
    Wait, do you mean Evil as in toxin-Lee, or the current iteration of her?

    Unrelated, toxin-Lee's makeup game was on point.
    definitely toxin lea

    i loved thunderdome lea for a spell, but she morphed into boring gangster lea and that is snoozeville

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Late season 3
    JEROME IS BACK!

  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    Also, @Rorshach Kringle I have a problem with the title you've assigned #9.
    He's not evil. He's just hyperfocused on taking down people who have broken the law by killing them.

    One could say that he is exactly what the city needs.

    none can argue with my irrefutable list

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Love the callback casting they keep doing on this show.

    First Penguin's Dad and now Dwight.

  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    gotham is one million percent a prequel to the tim burton batman movies. i will hear no argument otherwise.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I could see that kid growing up to be Michael Keaton

  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    in season four he goes full on blazers and turtlenecks

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    With all of the life and death and life again you'd think they would introduce a Lazarus pit eventually.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    As you folks will soon learn, Gotham is the most comic book show on television so never bet against them incorporating something crazy.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    As you folks will soon learn, Gotham is the most comic book show on television so never bet against them incorporating something crazy.

    It really is and I think people hating the show are crazy.

    Maybe it had a rough start and some people wrote it off but it’s so comic booky and so good.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Late season three
    I love the stapled face on Jerome. The realist in me hopes it keeps rotting.

  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    Penguin and how Robin Lord Taylor plays that part are the main reason my wife and I watched all of the episodes that were available on Netflix.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Seg wrote: »
    Penguin and how Robin Lord Taylor plays that part are the main reason my wife and I watched all of the episodes that were available on Netflix.

    Robin Lord Taylor has gone on the record cussing folks out who don't approve of the Penguin being queer.

    He is terrific!

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Oh nice! James Remar

  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    So, did the creator of Gotham want to make a Batman show, but got shot down by DC execs, who then told him "No, but how about you go make a Jim Gordon show though, lol"?

    Because I can totally see that leading to Gotham being fucking batshit comic book crazy out of pure spite, and it's beautiful.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    So, did the creator of Gotham want to make a Batman show, but got shot down by DC execs, who then told him "No, but how about you go make a Jim Gordon show though, lol"?

    Because I can totally see that leading to Gotham being fucking batshit comic book crazy out of pure spite, and it's beautiful.

    I think they started the show with the idea that it would follow: the Penguin's climb to power, Jim Gordan's vigilance and Bruce Wayne's progression into adulthood.

    And then they figured out they wanted to do all of the other Batman stuff and eventually the dam broke, and here we are for the better.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I love the dialogue in this show

    Someone gets a needle in the neck

    "Powerful knockout gas."

    Thanks for letting him know!

  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    So, the reveal with Butch was interesting. And it also seemingly undid one of Zsasz's two confirmed kills I was counting.

    But I'm still okay with that because his smug "I do good work" was so, so good.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I love Butch.

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Anthony Carrigan provides maybe the single most consistent & best performance on Gotham as Zsasz.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Anthony Carrigan provides maybe the single most consistent & best performance on Gotham as Zsasz.

    He had a great moment in a recent episode
    He's hunting Gordon and has a gun pointted at him and Bullock while Jim has a shotgun pointed at him. Then Falcone just happens to randomly walk in and say the contract is canceled so he just casually puts his guns away and says something to the effect of, "OK. See you later."

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