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[US Federal Congressional Elections 2018] Tester Wins, AZ/FL Too Close

enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
edited November 2018 in Debate and/or Discourse
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YOUR FRIENDLY GUIDE TO WATCHING ELECTION NIGHT

https://www.danielnichanian.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Elections-tracker-Nov5.pdf
There's a pdf with a ton of races to watch.

When does [insert state here] close?

(Ignore the date, closing times are accurate)
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First of all, here are closing times all over the country. Most of Indiana (except Gary) and Eastern Kentucky close first. Kentucky's Sixth District is therefore our first contested race to close. If the Democrat, Amy McGrath, wins there, we're in really good shape. Currently that's a lean GOP seat to 538, giving her a 3/8 chance of taking it.

Major statewide races closing at 7 eastern include: Indiana Senate and Georgia governor. We'll also start seeing returns in Florida, but that race won't be characterized until the panhandle closes at 8 eastern.

Where should I watch?
Here.

Cable news is dumb and you shouldn't watch it. There are some great college basketball games on Tuesday night, maybe watch those instead. If you're a glutton for punishment, MSNBC is probably the least groanworthy, depending on if Brian Williams or Chris Matthews or Rachel Maddow is their primary anchor. Online, the Times does a really good job with election returns, I would focus on them or whatever state you want to know stuff about's secretary of state's office. Though some of those kind of suck, frankly. But definitely here, there will be several people who are examining counties and tracking the twitter accounts of people who know even better which counties to look at.

I'm going to watch TV anyway, what should I know?
The major networks are going to work to "characterize" each race as the polls close. This is done based on polling before hand, the general political attitudes of the race in question (a congressional district in Brooklyn can safely be assumed to be Democratic, for example), but mostly on exit polls. EXIT POLLS ARE NOT GOSPEL, though they can give us an indication as to how things are going. There are three major classifications:

1) TOO CLOSE TO CALL - Exit polls indicate the race is close, usually within 5 points either way. The media organizations need to see more actual votes to determine who is going to win. In races we are pretty sure are very close, like Missouri Senate or Georgia Governor, expect to see this classification until a significant majority of the vote is in.
2) TOO EARLY TO CALL - There is not yet enough information to make a call. If they are willing to say "too early to call, candidate X leading" that usually indicates that candidate is leading by 5-9 points in exit polls. I would anticipate this kind of call in say, the Midwestern Senate races.
3) INSTANT CALL - The race is called when the polls closed. This indicates a blowout, probably a double digit win. If you don't see this characterization for say, Tim Kaine, something has gone very wrong for Democrats. Conversely, if you DO see this for Stabenow or Baldwin, that's good news.

Who should I follow on Twitter?
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw - just in general, you should follow Southpaw.
https://twitter.com/joshtpm - TPM head, they'll probably be tracking shenanigans closely, that's usually their beat. Also a smart analyst.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn - NYT polling person, head of Upshot, owner of the dreaded arrow of doom
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538 - is Nate Silver
https://twitter.com/Taniel - pays extremely close attention to down ballot stuff, especially referenda, especially those on voting rights.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict - calls races accurately

Where should I talk about it?
In our two threads, try to keep track of which one you're in, though I know we're going to mess that up a lot. The mods have also asked that we keep the liveblogginess of election day down, so it's not just a ton of posts that look like "GILLUM!!!!!!!!!!" or "OH FUCK YOU FLORIDA!!!!"

If you would like to have those reactions, SIG recommends the D&D Discord, which you can find here.

What are expectations like, 48 hours out?
Consensus is that Democrats are likely to take the House. They need 23 pickups. Expectations are somewhere from 30-40. A polling error in the GOP's favor could let them keep the House though. Democrats are likely to win the total Congressional vote by a significant margin (high single digits), but gerrymandering is likely to keep the by district margin close.

Consensus is equally strong that the GOP is going to retain the Senate. A 50/50 Senate (Dems pick up one seat) is maybe the most likely individual outcome. A systemic polling error for Democrats is required for them to win. The most likely path to a majority at this point is a Beto miracle.

Democrats should pick up a number of Governor's mansions. Michigan, New Mexico, and Illinois are probably pickups. There are a bunch of toss ups. We're following Florida and Georgia especially closely.

Basic details:
Election day is Tuesday November 6!
You should vote then (or earlier, if your state allows it, or by mail if you're lucky and live in a relatively smart state).
Make sure your registration is up to date and what not. Here's the federal government's page for voter information.

This thread is primarily focused on the US Congress. So what's going on there?

The United States House of Representatives

Every seat in the House is up. Currently the Republicans hold 236 seats to Democrats 193. A party needs 218 to control the House. A couple of the currently vacant seats are basically Democratic seats like Michigan's 13th district (no Republican is even running) so the number of pickups needed is generally regarded to be 23.

Special elections have been promising but somewhat frustrating for Democrats in the last two yeas. In a series of races where Republicans are usually not seriously tested, Democrats have come just short of winning most of them, and actually won a few. There are something like 120 Republican held seats more Democratic than the one Conor Lamb won in Pennsylvania, and 60-70 Republican held seats more Democratic than the one that Danny O'Connor apparently lost (as I write this on August 8) in Ohio. This seems promising, especially when the GOP isn't able to spend millions on each race. Suburban women have trended Democratic in these races in particular.

The other trend we are seeing is a significant increase in the number of women running for office and winning primaries, especially on the Democratic side. Well over 300 women are running for the House, and in open primaries with a man and a woman running, the woman is winning 69% of the time in the Democratic primary.

Democrats have a lot of energy and have been leading the general congressional ballot all year, usually by a sizable margin. As I write this it is around 8 points. Naturally a lot of this is driven by people not liking the president. Reminder: most presidencies lose seats in midterm elections, though we have had two recent exceptions in 1998 (because impeachment) and 2002 (because 9/11). The less popular the presidency, the harsher the backlash. The only problem is gerrymandering. To win the House, Democrats need to win the national popular vote by a significant margin. The most optimistic estimate is 4 points, the most pessimistic is 11. Either way it's an uphill climb.

The United States Senate

Currently there are 51 Republicans, 47 Democrats, and 2 independents who caucus with Democrats (Sanders and King). So to take control of the Senate Democrats only need to flip two seats. That sounds way easier than the House, right? Well, get a load of this map:

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Democrats are defending 23 seats (well 22 because of California's jungle primary, there are two Democrats on the general election ballot), both independents are up, with only 9 Republican seats up. Of the seats Democrats are defending, 10 are in states Democrats won. Only 1 GOP seat is in a state Clinton won. So that's rough.

Let's look at some individual races:
States where Trump won but look safe for the Democratic Incumbent:
Michigan: Debbie Stabenow (D) vs. John James (R)
Stabenow is a long time Senator in a state that is traditionally Democratic despite our massive fuckup in 2016. She's popular. James is not a particularly impressive candidate, got a relatively late infusion of money (and a Trump endorsement) to defeat a genuinely terrible super rich candidate in the primary. Stabenow is consistently polling up double digits. Should be safe, especially considering the enthusiasm on the Democratic side.

Ohio: Sherrod Brown (D) vs. Jim Renacci (R)
Brown is the gravel voiced populist who is way more liberal than the red trending Ohio at large. Like probably the most liberal compared to what you'd expect from his state Senator in the country. And he is once again up huge. Average is 15 points right now. Dude knows Ohio.

Pennsylvania Bob Casey (D) vs. Lou Barletta (R)
This could basically be the Ohio race but I like Casey less than Brown. GOP nominated Some Guy and the incumbent Democratic is consistently polling up around 15 points.

Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin (D) vs. Kevin Nicholson or Leah Vukmir (SIG edit this when the Wisconsin primary happens!) (R)
Wisconsin seems to like Baldwin pretty well. She's up 12 or 13 points in polling thus far. Should be pretty safe.

States where Trump won and the Democrat is leading by a noticeable margin, or the state where Democrats did something very stupid and dangerous
Montana: Jon Tester (D) vs. Matt Rosendale (R)
Tester holds a small but consistent lead to retain his seat. Montana is red but not like super crazy red like its next door neighbors. Additionally the GOP nominated a fake rancher from Maryland who @AngelHedgie assures us Montanans are not particularly fond of.

West Virginia: Joe Manchin (D) vs. Patrick Morrisey (R)
Hey it's Joe Manchin, a very frustrating Democrat, who nonetheless kicks ass in his hard right state. Manchin has led every poll in the summer, often in double digits, sometimes by more than Baldwin, despite West Virginia being one of the most Trump friendly states in the country. He probably holds on, which is crazy.

New Jersey: Bob Menendez (D) vs. Bob Hugin (R)
It's New Jersey so this should be a gimme, but Menendez is getting hammered for his corruption trial. He was acquitted, but mostly because corruption is legal now and not because he's not actually corrupt. Naturally Democrats just decided to nominate him again anyway and now this race is way, way closer than it should be. Political gravity probably wins out and he's re-elected, but dumb.

States where Trump won and things are a toss up
North Dakota: Heidi Heitkamp (D) vs. Kevin Cramer (R)
Heitkamp is the second most conservative Democrat and has her work cut out for her to win re-election. Cramer has a lead within the margin of error in the polling average. In a real blue wave it might carry her to victory, but it's hard to say.

Missouri: Claire McCaskill (D) vs. Josh Hawley (R)
America's luckiest (but also very crafty) politician, Claire McCaskill, is up for re-election again. Last time she squeaked by with Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin as her opponent, who she ran adds for during the primary by attacking him as "very conservative." This year she's got the Missouri GOP in a right state, with the governor resigning and there being little enthusiasm for her opponent who could only manage 58% of the vote against a collection of who dats in the primary. McCaskill has a slim lead in general election polling.

Indiana: Joe Donnelly (D) vs. Mike Braun (R)
The other member of the 2012 "super lucky that his opponent made idiotic comments about rape" caucus, Joe Donnelly is in trouble because he's still running in Indiana. Polling is very sparse, but the one we've got has Braun up a point. Usual businessman turned state legislator bio you'd expect from a Republican.

Florida: Bill Nelson (D) vs. Rick Scott (R)
Floridians, for whatever fucking reason, love Lex Luthor Rick Scott. The Medicare fraud enthusiast has consistently high popularity, and is spending a ton of money on the race. Nelson is being kind of sleepy in response. As a result, Scott has opened up a small but consistent polling lead. This one is a significant danger.

Democrats are also defending two seats in Minnesota, which Trump almost won, but both Klobuchar and Smith are well ahead in those races.

Potential Democratic Pickups
Nevada: Dean Heller (R) vs. Jacky Rosen (D)
Heller took the odd stance of being a Trump sycophant in a state that went for Clinton and being up in a midterm election with a president who has literally never been popular. It's a bold strategy, let's see if it's going to work. Rosen is a member of the House who is pretty popular and easily won the Democratic primary. She has a lead in polling and is generally expected to pick up the seat.

The second potential Democratic pickup is where things get dicey. There are three options barring anything really weird happening:

Arizona (open seat, Jeff Flake): Kyrsten Sinema (D) vs. Martha McSally
Sinema is a congresswoman from Phoenix since 2012. If she wins, she'd join Baldwin as the only LGBT Senators in US history (she's bisexual). She's a Blue Dog, so might be more than a little frustrating, but a seat is a seat. Martha McSally is a congresswoman from Tucson who is an Air Force veteran and in fact the first female combat pilot in US history during Desert Storm. Used to criticize Trump a lot but started to love him during her Senate primary for some reason. This race is a toss up, though recent polls have Sinema with a small lead.

Texas(!): Ted Cruz (R) vs. Beto O'Rourke (D)
This is the Democratic white whale. We have been talking about turning Texas purple for as long as I can remember. This may be the best shot we've had. Ted Cruz is, of course Ted Cruz. Almost preternaturally unlikeable, possibly the Zodiac Killer, and oozing asshole. Beto O'Rourke has run one of the better internet friendly campaigns I can remember. He's super proud to have visited every county in Texas (all 250+ of them ) during the campaign, hoping to do much better than Democrats usually do in rural Texas. He's got Cruz scared enough to agree to five debates, though he wants to do them on Friday nights in the fall. In Texas. Cruz is still leading in the polls, but O'Rourke has been gaining all summer. I dunno if this will happen, but it might happen.

Tennessee (open seat, Bob Corker) (!!!!!!): Phil Bredesen (D) vs. Marsha Blackburn (R)
This was not on my radar at all. Bredesen is a former two time Governor of Tennessee, and the last Democrat to win a statewide election in the state for any office. He was a popular governor and remains popular today. Democrats just swept into power in Memphis County. Bredesen has led in basically every poll I've seen in this race. It's weird. Blackburn is one of your conspiratorial members of the House and in normal times would be seen as a ridiculous fringe figure. Sadly we have the House GOP caucus so she's now kinda mainstream. Anyway this would be weird, but in a truly Democratic year, this could happen.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Friday night debates in Texas? That is pretty damn funny I have to admit.

    I knew the Senate map was bad, but actually looking at it I'm really glad that Trump is such a train wreck. That's a really bad map and nearly any other president would be looking at strengthening their party's hold on the Senate.

    edit: yeah, cleaning shiz up.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Edit: Wrong thread.

    Thanks for the clarification, Ebum.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Any statewide position goes in the other thread. Governors, ballot initiatives, state legislatures, etc.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    I know its unlikely because lol Texas, but I really, REALLY want Beto to win over Ted Cruz. Of all the races on the national stage, it is the individual one I am the most emotionally invested in. Ted truly needs to get out of dodge.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I know its unlikely because lol Texas, but I really, REALLY want Beto to win over Ted Cruz. Of all the races on the national stage, it is the individual one I am the most emotionally invested in. Ted truly needs to get out of dodge.

    I'd like him to win too, but in the meantime it's fun to watch Ted failing miserably as he tries to take on Beto.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Is it that time already? How have we managed to refrain from talking about elections in the USA for almost two whole years?

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Is it that time already? How have we managed to refrain from talking about elections in the USA for almost two whole years?

    I'm pretty sure the mods would say we haven't.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    So, a backgrounder on MT-Senate - to put it simply, this is not where the GOP planned to be. The original game plan circa 2016 was always going to be Tester/Zinke - as the sitting Representative, he was positioned to challenge Tester, and would have been a tough opponent had that stayed the case. But he was tapped for Interior instead, where he turned out to be a corrupt, egotistical goose.

    So, plan B. That was to get the recent Republican candidate for governor, Greg Gianforte, installed as the new at large Representative, and position him for 2018. And that was going well...up to Gianforte going all Saturday Night Slammasters on a reporter just before the special election. Yes, Gianforte won, but there's no way that he could run against Tester now, who would be happy to put his mug shot on billboards across the state.

    The result is that the GOP was left scrambling to find someone to run that had enough of a statewide profile - which didn't leave much in the way of options. Finally, the party settled on Matt Rosendale, a former Maryland real estate developer who had relocated out to Montana and entered politics here, having served as Insurance Commissioner and in the state legislature. But, not everybody was happy with the choice, and he got a surprisingly strong primary challenge from Russ Fagg, a judge from Yellowstone County. Yellowstone is where Billings, the largest city in the state is, and as a result Fagg's challenge (built on exploiting Rosendale's background as a transplant) got serious legs - to the point where groups like Club for Growth were dumping money on ads against Fagg citing his giving a DV abuser a sweetheart deal during his tenure as judge. The result was an "Ireland wins, but Krum gets the Snitch" scenario in the primary - Rosendale squeaked out a win barely, with Fagg winning Yellowstone decisively. Needless to say, Tester has picked up the "Maryland Matt" branding that Fagg used so effectively.

    And so, we're now at this point, and the campaign ads have been...like night and day. Tester's been running a solid, if standard, campaign divided between positive advertising emphasizing his work in the Senate (especially on veterans' issues) and negative advertising focusing on Rosendale's past as a land developer from Maryland (this is a sore point here for a few reasons) and his overly cozy relationship with health insurers as Insurance Commissioner. Meanwhile, Rosendale's ads have boiled down to "I was on stage with Trump, and he said sort of nice things about me?" Most of the negative advertising has come from third parties on the GOP side, and even they feel anemic - I was getting negative ads about Fagg served to me left and right during the primaries on YouTube, but now - I've only seen a handful of short anti-Tester ads. Supposedly the Rosendale camp has had internal polling showing him a few points up - but given 2016, that's not a good sign for the GOP.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Mass has Dem primaries for House races (all are de facto general election races because the winner should walk to victory), as well as the person to face Elizabeth Warren (who I am more worried about than most, based on the number of Diehl signs around).

    In the 1st, (Berkshires to Springfield D+12) Tahirah Amatul-Wadud is challenging Richard Neal. Amatul-Wadud is running as a progressive and is a 29 black Muslim Civil Rights lawyer. Richard Neal is the ranking member of Ways and Means, a 15 term white incumbent liberal. Amatul-Wadid is running as a far left candidate but is very much the underdog. She also strangely voted for Scott Brown which undercuts most of her purity attacks on Neal, which have focused on him voting for defense bills.

    In the 3rd, Niki Tsongas is retiring and there's a very crowded race. If I lived there I'd probably lean towards the incredibly impressive Dan Koh, former chief of staff for Marty Walsh. He interned for Teddy, he's 31, Lebanese-Korean, double Harvard, and charismatic. Barbara L’Italien you might remember from FoxNews screwing up and accidentally booking her to hate on immigrants, when she is pro-immigrant. Lori Trahan got the Globe endorsement. Rufus Gifford was Obama's 08 Finance director and Ambassador to Denmark. The 3rd is D+9, 2/3 white and 20% Latino.

    The 3rd is also the only one of these races with a token GOP candidate

    In the 7th, Mike Capuano is an old white guy with a very liberal voting record, member of the Progressive Caucus and positions to back that. Its a D+34 district that consists of about half of Boston and some of the suburbs. Its about 25% black, 20% Hispanic, 33% white, 10% Asian so its a diverse district. He's being challenged by Ayanna Pressley, City Councilwoman who was the first black woman to be elected to the city council when elected in 09. Ocasio-Cortez's win drew comparisons of progressive upstart taking out the establishment but I don't think that's fair to Pressley who has a lot of experience (and is 44) and isn't coming out of nowhere. More accurate would be the comparison of a white guy in a minority-majority district. Capuano has the backing of John Lewis, Maxine Waters, the Congressional Black Caucus, Deval Patrick, Joe Kennedy and Marty Walsh. Pressley got the Globe and Herald endorsements (for v different reasons I suspect), AG Maura Healey (who has influence in MA), and anti-establishment groups. Ideologically there isn't a lot between them, they're both liberal af, and both are more on the socially/racially liberal side than the white working class progressive side, but Capuano has been a single payer bill sponsor for a decade and Pressley is touting Medicare for All so they're both ticking those boxes too. Capuano is probably favored

    In the 8th (my district), you have Stephen Lynch vs a conservo-dem Voehl and Brianna Wu of gamergate fame. Lynch isn't my favorite, especially since he voted against ACA because he didn't think it went far enough to control costs without a public option (which may have just been to mollify unions who didn't love it). He's an old Ironworker union guy who worked his way up. Voehl is more like a West Virginia Dem or Massachusetts Republican and has no qualifications beyond being an AF pilot. Wu has all the depth of a tweet rhetorically and substantially, and while she portrays herself as far left the extent of her political experience is she worked for Trent Lott for a few years. Her qualification argument is she's tech savvy. A good challenger might sway me from Lynch, but the things I like least about him (more working class white dude Dem than liberal Dem, not backing ACA enough) are things his opponents embrace more. The 8th is made up half of Boston, half of the south suburbs and is D+10 and 3/4 white.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Recent polling data has me pretty optimistic about the Senate at least holding a similar margin to where it's at now but good lord the map is awful this year

    Fingers crossed that the "make every seat competitive" strategy holds out for Dems

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Given the Supreme Court thread will be too infuriating for me, I'll probably be camping out in these. I've spent a depressing amount of my personal shopping budget on Senate races, primarily Florida and Texas. A bit of good news from this morning to kick off the thread:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/energized-donald-trump-democrats-reach-14-midterms/story?id=57538542

    Highlights:
    • Generic ballot is now D+14
    • 60 percent of registered voters say they’d rather see the next Congress controlled by the Democrats, up 8 points from a year ago
    • 36 percent of Americans approve of Trump's job performance, the lowest approval rating for a president heading into his first midterms in polling dating to 1954
    • 51 percent of Americans say the Democratic Party is out of touch with most people’s concerns, that’s down 16 points since April 2017. And many more, 63 percent, say both Trump and the Republican Party are out of touch
    • Sixty-five percent of registered voters say it’s more important to them to vote compared with past midterm elections. Among those who approve of Trump’s work in office, 56 percent say so. But among the much larger number who disapprove of Trump, many more, 73 percent, say it’s more important to them to vote this year.
    • The number of self-reported registered voters who say they’re certain to vote this year has grown from 62 percent in January to 67 percent in April to 75 percent now. Those gains have occurred disproportionately in more Democratic groups – up 24 points among blacks since April, up 17 points among 18- to 29-year-olds and up 11 points among Democrats and moderates alike, for example.
    • The shares of Democrats, Republicans and independents in the survey is typical of their long-term levels -- 34, 27 and 33 percent, respectively, among registered voters. But more independents are now leaning toward the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party -- 46 percent, vs. 36 percent in April.
    • The shifts include a dramatic falloff for the Republicans in one of their core support groups, non-college white men. They backed GOP candidates by a 43-point margin in April; it’s a much tighter 10 points today. That’s moved the race among men overall to a dead heat, 45-44 percent, Democratic-Republican.
    • The Democrats, at the same time, have achieved growth in one of their key groups, college-educated white women, up from a 24-point lead last spring to 38 points now. The Democrats now lead by a wide 25 points among women overall.

    Anecdotally, my district has been a toss-up every election since it was made after the redistricting following the 2010 census. This year it's being rated as lean/safe dem, consistently, and in the (jungle) primary, our rep got over 50% of the vote, which has never happened before.


    On the less good news note, I think I can answer one of your questions in the OP.
    Floridians, for whatever fucking reason, love Lex Luthor Rick Scott. The Medicare fraud enthusiast has consistently high popularity, and is spending a ton of money on the race. Nelson is being kind of sleepy in response. As a result, Scott has opened up a small but consistent polling lead. This one is a significant danger.

    Point the first: money.

    Rick Scott has already spent more money in this Senate race, going into September, than most Senate races cost period. He's already spent $28 million (21 of that HIS OWN MONEY) by early August. In the same timeframe, Nelson had raised ~20 million, but only spent 6. This is both good and bad news. The bad news is that Floridians have been inundated with attack ads for months at this point, and I doubt that's going to let up. The good news is that despite that complete gap in messaging, there isn't a whole lot of a gap that's opened up, and Nelson seems to be conserving strength for a push more just prior to the election. So I wouldn't call this one a lost cause, necessarily, but it's definitely going to be an uphill fight.

    Point the second: Puerto Rico.

    This is an anecdote from a friend of mine who's from Puerto Rico and has lots of relatives who live/lived there, but it's depressingly believable. Maria hit Puerto Rico. A bunch of them moved to the mainland, primarily Florida. Democrats assumed that, as the Republicans fucked up Maria so much, they would naturally become Democrats. The Florida Republican Party, on the other hand, reached out to them, provided assistance, provided free English language courses to help them acclimate to the mainland, etc. Those same classes have a bend on them which skews social conservatism, which is generally in-line with the feelings of a lot of Puerto Ricans (from a religious standpoint). The Puerto Rican refugees from Hurricane Maria, who are now in Florida, are looking like they may end up a bloc of Republican voters, because the Florida Democratic Party dropped the ball and let the Republican Party be the ones who helped them.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Last poll I saw did have Nelson up a point. Gillum's ability to turn out sporadic voters, if it's real, would help him, obviously.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Please see mod message at top of OP.

  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Due to extensive voter suppression methods employed across the country (purging rolls, closing polling places, etc.) getting out the vote will be more difficult but critical for the elections. Two organizations I recommend for donating money and volunteering towards are Vote Riders and Let America Vote. The latter is the organization started by Jason Kander that is more politically focused, doing door-knocking campaigns and campaigning against voter suppression laws. The former is on-the-ground to help people get IDs in states that have voter ID laws and then physically getting people to the polls who might otherwise not be able to due to lack of transportation or other issues. Woke Vote is another excellent organization that focuses on black voters and was one of the groups pivotal to keeping Roy Moore from becoming a senator.

    Do what you can and give what you can while you can.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Fivethirtyeight has had projections for the house up for a small while now, and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised. It's wobbled between 70-80% likelyhood of democrats controlling the chamber. It's on the higher end now, though I'm worried about regression to the mean.

    I was worried it was going to be coin flippy due to gerrymandering and enthusiasm among democrats not being that high, so 4/5 is definitely pleasing.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    That projection is probably way shakier than the presidential forecast and 70% is still 1 in 3ish of disaster.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Due to extensive voter suppression methods employed across the country (purging rolls, closing polling places, etc.) getting out the vote will be more difficult but critical for the elections. Two organizations I recommend for donating money and volunteering towards are Vote Riders and Let America Vote. The latter is the organization started by Jason Kander that is more politically focused, doing door-knocking campaigns and campaigning against voter suppression laws. The former is on-the-ground to help people get IDs in states that have voter ID laws and then physically getting people to the polls who might otherwise not be able to due to lack of transportation or other issues. Woke Vote is another excellent organization that focuses on black voters and was one of the groups pivotal to keeping Roy Moore from becoming a senator.

    Do what you can and give what you can while you can.

    I want to clarify that I think this post is okay even though it's technically asking folks to donate, because it lists several non-partisan causes and gives links. The stuff I don't want to see is "Let's raise $100 for Beto O'Rourke, @me when you donate!" or stuff like that.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    That projection is probably way shakier than the presidential forecast and 70% is still 1 in 3ish of disaster.

    Well, yes, it's wobbled in a 10% within a pretty short period of time.

    But 50% is a one in two chance of disaster, though, which is what the other projections I'd seen were, so it's still probably a good thing.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    If you could please provide links when talkin' bout polls and numbers I'd appreciate it. Even for Fivethirtyeight, it would be helpful. Thanks.

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    I'm pretty worried about Donnelly's seat this November. To be honest, I mostly just want him to have the seat as it gives the democrats the majority, more than I want Donnelly. And I think that is his biggest weakness. He's very middle of the road democrat that doesn't bring much enthusiasm to the table. He suppots President Trump with NAFTA renegotiation, which I don't support. He does, generically, support most Democratic policies, but is iffy on some others. If he goes the way I fear in the Kavanaugh hearings and confirmation vote, he is likely to (understandably) depress democratic turnout for him.

    His opponent, Mike Braun, is kind of catnip for the Republican base though. "Self-made small business owner" who supports President Trump and pretty much every Republican talking point, he's exciting for the Republican base here. The reality is he's abused his workers and "supports small business" but imports his goods from China. He also has been fined and cited multiple times by the US Labor Department, per politifact:
    '"His trucking company and distribution companies ‘overworked and underpaid employees’ "
    Braun is the CEO and owner of Meyer Distributing, an auto parts distribution company, and Meyer Logistics, a trucking company, based in Jasper, Ind.

    The U.S. Labor Department found Meyer Distributing violated the Fair Labor Standards Act 26 times. The violations were related to unpaid overtime work for 25 employees between December 2008 and December 2010. Meyer Distributing had to pay $39,402 in back wages. The company settled one lawsuit with a fired employee in 2009 related to the same issue.

    The Labor Department found one violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act between April 2013 and April 2015.

    The Federal Transportation Department cited Meyer Distributing 41 times for work time logging violations since September 2015, according to a search by the Associated Press.

    Barney Keller, a consultant to the Braun campaign, countered that these complaints give an incomplete picture of a company that has employed thousands of employees over the past 35 years. Braun employs over 850 employees across 39 states today.

    Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labor education research at Cornell University, dismissed that defense.

    "The larger the company, the more unforgivable it is that they didn’t pay their workers," Bronfenbrenner said. "They should have a good computer system that makes it so that everyone gets their pay."

    So Braun is pretty odious to me. My worry is essentially that Donnelly is the in spite of vote for a lot of democrat and democrat-leaning Hoosiers, compared to how energized the base is for Braun.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Indiana's the one reliably Republican part of the Great Lakes region though, so could a more liberal Democrat win statewide?

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Is there a way to check ahead of time if you've been purged from the rolls/moved districts without being told/moved voting locations without being told/etc.?

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Is there a way to check ahead of time if you've been purged from the rolls/moved districts without being told/moved voting locations without being told/etc.?

    https://www.headcount.org/verify-voter-registration/

    That should point you in the right direction.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Indiana's the one reliably Republican part of the Great Lakes region though, so could a more liberal Democrat win statewide?

    I dunno, Donnelly ran unopposed. My gut says probably not, but the flip is the last time someone seen as radically progressive even tried was Obama in 2008 for the presidential run, and he won but then lost in 2012 so maybe?

    The biggest issue you get is only a couple of counties really vote democrat, the biggest being Indianapolis. Which is a huge city, but only is strongly democratic in the main part of the city, the suburbs tend to be split or lean republican, depending on where you are.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Dems are up +14 points on the generic congressional ballot. Which is basically back to where it was in the spring before all the internecine primaries started.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/4/17818204/midterm-2018-polls-generic-ballot-democrats

    IIRC anything over 9 points makes the House most likely Democratic majority.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Dems are up +14 points on the generic congressional ballot. Which is basically back to where it was in the spring before all the internecine primaries started.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/4/17818204/midterm-2018-polls-generic-ballot-democrats

    IIRC anything over 9 points makes the House most likely Democratic majority.

    I put it in the OP, most optimistic estimate is 4 points, most pessimistic is 11 points.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    FiveThirtyEight's model has a neat little chart of probabilities per vote margin. Their estimate is that Dems get exponentially more likely to take the house after an approximately 5.5 point lead, though 4% is not infeasible and 11% certainly shan't hurt

  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Since we keep referencing it without linking per mod request

    And what the (Classic) forecast looks like on the Tues after Labor Day

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    This is the best its looked in a bit. The polls only has it at 69% it should be noted

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited September 2018
    Beto or bust. It’s not just that I would do a happy little dance if I never had to see Ted Cruz’s face again, I think Beto is a genuinely great candidate. I don’t even think his arrest record hurts him. It makes him seem human, like he has actually lived a life, especially when compared to, well...





    Matt Lubchansky is a cartoonist

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I know its unlikely because lol Texas, but I really, REALLY want Beto to win over Ted Cruz. Of all the races on the national stage, it is the individual one I am the most emotionally invested in. Ted truly needs to get out of dodge.

    He's reportedly pretty scared for his seat. Which is a nice thought.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    No candidate who is asking for debates is confident. Even if he clearly wants no one to see them.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I know its unlikely because lol Texas, but I really, REALLY want Beto to win over Ted Cruz. Of all the races on the national stage, it is the individual one I am the most emotionally invested in. Ted truly needs to get out of dodge.

    He's reportedly pretty scared for his seat. Which is a nice thought.

    Not only that, a Texas senatorial seat going blue is huge, symbolically. They will dump money to save Cruz, which means that there's less money available for other candidates.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    Indiana's the one reliably Republican part of the Great Lakes region though, so could a more liberal Democrat win statewide?

    I dunno, Donnelly ran unopposed. My gut says probably not, but the flip is the last time someone seen as radically progressive even tried was Obama in 2008 for the presidential run, and he won but then lost in 2012 so maybe?

    The biggest issue you get is only a couple of counties really vote democrat, the biggest being Indianapolis. Which is a huge city, but only is strongly democratic in the main part of the city, the suburbs tend to be split or lean republican, depending on where you are.

    I just don't see it happening. I mean, I see the usual, very vocal folks who would love to see a progressive Dem run, but for the rest of the voters in the state? Ehhhh...

    I feel that the only reason Donnelly has his seat is because of Richard "Yes, I am Aware That We're in the Middle of a General Election but, God Meant for Your Rape Baby to Happen" Mourdock. So Donnelly plays the "I'm a kinda conservative, mid-Western Hoosier, but I'll vote for a Dem for Majority Leader in the Senate" card.

    Of course, if you don't give the more progressive candidate a shot at some point, you'll never know. Though, I would note that Liz Watson beat out Dan Canon in the IN-09 primary for the Dem side, and Dan was definitely the more progressive/left of those two candidates.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    There's a shot at Washington state's eighth district going blue with Kim Schrier. Unfortunately I'm not actually in state and can't volunteer but I donated to her campaign.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Republican Representative Scott W. Taylor did some dirty tricks that will hopefully bite him in his rear.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/a-republican-congressman-helped-a-rival-collect-signatures-to-get-on-the-ballot-some-of-those-signatures-were-fake/2018/09/04/3e1c439c-b049-11e8-9a6a-565d92a3585d_story.html
    Taylor is hunkered down in the midst of a strange campaign scandal involving forged signatures on petitions to get a competing candidate into the race. Taylor has been subpoenaed to a court hearing Wednesday in Richmond to determine his role and whether that third candidate is improperly on the ballot, while a special prosecutor separately investigates possible campaign law violations.
    As the deadline for qualifying for the ballot approached in June, Taylor’s campaign took the unusual step of gathering signatures for an independent competitor. Shaun Brown had been his Democratic opponent in 2016 — and he beat her by 22 points — but she was now under the cloud of a federal fraud investigation and had no party support to run again. So Taylor’s staffers mounted a last-minute push and turned in nearly 600 signatures for Brown, giving her more than the 1,000 needed to qualify.

    Taylor’s help came to light in a local television report a month ago. Since then, questions have emerged about dozens of the signatures turned in by Taylor’s staff. Some belonged to dead people, many signed in similar handwriting. Even the name of local Republican Del. Glenn R. Davis Jr. was apparently forged, and his name misspelled.
    Lindsey Terry, who has done tech work for the local Democratic committee, looked at the petition documents posted by WHRO and noticed something strange: One petition showed that her neighbor had signed, but the neighbor moved away several years ago.

    When Terry posted on social media that she had found a forged signature, she said she got a phone call from Taylor.

    “He seemed frantic,” Terry said. “He definitely was trying to intimidate me to take it down.” She said that while Taylor took the tone of a “good guy” just trying to help, he told her she could be sued and said someone had driven by her house to confirm her address.

    In an exchange with Terry on Twitter, Taylor acknowledged speaking with her.

    Terry and other local party activists identified more forged signatures. The Virginian-Pilot newspaper identified 59 fraudulent signatures, including those of four dead people, all on petitions gathered by Taylor staffers.

    If you are going to get signatures for an independent candidate to act as a spoiler candidate, you probably shouldn't forge the signatures.

  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    Mississippi is also worth taking a look at, at least a little bit. No, seriously.

    There are two elections going on there, since Thad Cochran resigned: Roger Wicker is going to snooze to reelection over MS House Minority Leader David Baria, but replacing Cochran might just be interesting. See, there are three real candidates: Cindy Hyde-Smith, appointed to replace Cochran and running for the rest of his term; Chris McDaniel, state senator and general jerk who tried to primary Cochran in 2014 and lost by a hair; Mike Espy, former Congressman and Secretary of Agriculture, who resigned from the cabinet on being indicted for corruption but was acquitted. (Hyde-Smith spent twelve years in the state senate, the first ten as a Democrat, which made a lot of people grumble when Bryant appointed her.) The whole affair is officially non-partisan and jungle, with those three and former Gautier councilman Toby Bartee running on the same ballot, with an almost-certain runoff on the 27th.

    So both Republican candidates are weakened - Hyde-Smith as a woman (which Republicans don't much like nominating this year), an appointee, and an 8-year member of the Republican Party, and McDaniel as generally abrasive, hostile to the state party establishment, and whose previous run was something of a fiasco. In addition, each has a history of voting in Democratic primaries (Hyde-Smith until 2010, when she switched parties, and McDaniel when he wanted a voice in local elections), which has already brewed plenty of bitter attacks on both sides, plausibly turning off some Republican voters and allowing Espy to preserve his image. Wouldn't make any difference, really, though, would it, since both of them might well make the runoff, and either would consolidate the Republican vote?

    Ehhh, that's a bit of an open question. Looking at the most recent three of the five total polls in MS (excluding March to May, but keeping late July to late August), we have one poll with Hyde-Smith over 40, and the other two have her either beating Espy 29-27 or losing 27-28, with all three giving McDaniel 15-18. Now, take all these with a big grain of salt, since nobody knows what the fuck a competitive Mississippi Senate race looks like, but that's all not nothing. Two of those three polls tested the runoff, and Espy led McDaniel by 15 to 20 points in both, though still under 50 (as you would expect). Espy versus Hyde-Smith is another story - one poll gave her a 15-point edge, again under 50, but the other, commissioned by the Espy campaign, claimed he actually led by 3.

    So the most likely outcome there is Hyde-Smith/Espy/McDaniel/Bartee on November 6, and Hyde-Smith fairly handily beating Espy on the 27th, but that's definitely not guaranteed. And, of course, it's quite possible that the whole thing will decide control of the Senate three weeks after everyone else has voted.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Pressley/Capuano looks like the only competitive race in Massachusetts. She leads 54-46 with 42% reporting.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Mississippi is also worth taking a look at, at least a little bit. No, seriously.

    There are two elections going on there, since Thad Cochran resigned: Roger Wicker is going to snooze to reelection over MS House Minority Leader David Baria, but replacing Cochran might just be interesting. See, there are three real candidates: Cindy Hyde-Smith, appointed to replace Cochran and running for the rest of his term; Chris McDaniel, state senator and general jerk who tried to primary Cochran in 2014 and lost by a hair; Mike Espy, former Congressman and Secretary of Agriculture, who resigned from the cabinet on being indicted for corruption but was acquitted. (Hyde-Smith spent twelve years in the state senate, the first ten as a Democrat, which made a lot of people grumble when Bryant appointed her.) The whole affair is officially non-partisan and jungle, with those three and former Gautier councilman Toby Bartee running on the same ballot, with an almost-certain runoff on the 27th.

    So both Republican candidates are weakened - Hyde-Smith as a woman (which Republicans don't much like nominating this year), an appointee, and an 8-year member of the Republican Party, and McDaniel as generally abrasive, hostile to the state party establishment, and whose previous run was something of a fiasco. In addition, each has a history of voting in Democratic primaries (Hyde-Smith until 2010, when she switched parties, and McDaniel when he wanted a voice in local elections), which has already brewed plenty of bitter attacks on both sides, plausibly turning off some Republican voters and allowing Espy to preserve his image. Wouldn't make any difference, really, though, would it, since both of them might well make the runoff, and either would consolidate the Republican vote?

    Ehhh, that's a bit of an open question. Looking at the most recent three of the five total polls in MS (excluding March to May, but keeping late July to late August), we have one poll with Hyde-Smith over 40, and the other two have her either beating Espy 29-27 or losing 27-28, with all three giving McDaniel 15-18. Now, take all these with a big grain of salt, since nobody knows what the fuck a competitive Mississippi Senate race looks like, but that's all not nothing. Two of those three polls tested the runoff, and Espy led McDaniel by 15 to 20 points in both, though still under 50 (as you would expect). Espy versus Hyde-Smith is another story - one poll gave her a 15-point edge, again under 50, but the other, commissioned by the Espy campaign, claimed he actually led by 3.

    So the most likely outcome there is Hyde-Smith/Espy/McDaniel/Bartee on November 6, and Hyde-Smith fairly handily beating Espy on the 27th, but that's definitely not guaranteed. And, of course, it's quite possible that the whole thing will decide control of the Senate three weeks after everyone else has voted.

    Speaking as a MS native: there is considerable animosity towards McDaniel even among the right-wing Christian demographic. My mother, who has never voted for a Democrat in her life, sneers whenever he's mentioned, and it's pretty easy to get her started on what a terrible person he is.

    All that to say, I don't think McDaniel is ultimately going to be a factor here. He's not just unpopular, he's radioactive.

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