social convention is the explanation. how or why you avoided societal interaction after 1991 is beyond me. ive never worked a job where i get tips, and i knew that. everyone ive ever talked to about tips knew that. any discussion of it in modern media makes it clear. these are things you just know. there are a thousand social conventions you just learn. how youve avoided this one i have no idea, but id be interested to observe you and see what other common conventions you are clueless about.
All of the social conventions are telling me to tip less than 10%, but I still know that 10% is the bare minimum and that 15% is good if they did a good job.
no, all the social conventions you learned from 1980s sitcoms are telling you that. youve managed to completely dodge anything from the last 10 years, believe it or not.
Thank you. That's exactly what I said a few posts ago. That I haven't seen a lot of TV since the 80's and early 90's. Thank you for understanding my point of view.
did you know that you can learn social convention from places beside tv? heck, thats how i did it. hell, i cant recall a single time i ever saw tips mentioned on tv, and somehow i still walked away with that knowledge.
and if your only perceptions of society do come from Small Wonder and Perfect Strangers, dont act surprised when you find yourself horribly misinformed.
social convention is the explanation. how or why you avoided societal interaction after 1991 is beyond me. ive never worked a job where i get tips, and i knew that. everyone ive ever talked to about tips knew that. any discussion of it in modern media makes it clear. these are things you just know. there are a thousand social conventions you just learn. how youve avoided this one i have no idea, but id be interested to observe you and see what other common conventions you are clueless about.
All of the social conventions are telling me to tip less than 10%, but I still know that 10% is the bare minimum and that 15% is good if they did a good job.
no, all the social conventions you learned from 1980s sitcoms are telling you that. youve managed to completely dodge anything from the last 10 years, believe it or not.
Thank you. That's exactly what I said a few posts ago. That I haven't seen a lot of TV since the 80's and early 90's. Thank you for understanding my point of view.
did you know that you can learn social convention from places beside tv? heck, thats how i did it. hell, i cant recall a single time i ever saw tips mentioned on tv, and somehow i still walked away with that knowledge.
and if your only perceptions of society do come from Small Wonder and Perfect Strangers, dont act surprised when you find yourself horribly misinformed.
Like when I said my brother taught me about 15% 5 or 6 years ago?
There was a time where a 10% tip was standard and acceptable.
But that was a good long time ago, and now it's 15% for standard service, and 20% for exemplary.
And it has beem that way for nearly 30 years now.
Try ten years, maybe 15. Seriously, I'm not making this shit up. 10% was standard for me growing up, and it wasn't until I was college age that I even learned 15% is now standard.
And nobody has answered why the percentage should go up in the first place, when inflation already accounts for that.
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In regards to all the tipping talk, I thought I would throw my opinion into the ring.
I kind of have a more socialist view on tipping. If I believe i'm in a better economic and social standing than the server, they'll receive a higher percentage than average. If I believe we're on even standing, they'll get the standard 15-20%, and if I believe they're enjoying a signifigantly better standard of living than I am, my tip is going to be pretty anemic.
I look at it this way. I've work in a group home for SED teens for the last two years. I get yelled/screamed/cursed at, spit on, bit, punched, kicked, clawed, poked, "lightly" stabbed, have objects thrown at me, have to deal with some truly unsanitary situations, and need to administer physical restraints to adolescents, all for $11.40 an hour. I don't exactly get tips from the parents or guardians either, no, that's reserved for the guy serving them their Surf N' Turf at the local Sizzler.
When I go to a restaurant and order a reasonably priced meal, I tend to take that into account. If the server is working in a clean environment without physical or (much) verbal abuse, and appears to be racking up a signifigant hourly wage from tips ($20+), i'm inclined to be stingy. I know it makes me look like a grade-A asshole, but i'm just trying to put things in perspective. With that said, i'm currently looking into new jobs, one which i'm currently interviewing for has slightly better working conditions and pays almost double my current hourly wage. Assuming I acquire that job or one like it, my average % tip would go up signifigantly, because my standing in comparison to the service workers would have gone up.
In my opinion it's all a matter of your current standing and place in life. No one should be made to feel bad about a low tip when their standard of living is so much worse than the person they're tipping.
You think that just by going in and observing someone you can get a feeling for how much they're making? That's ridiculous. I've worked in all sorts of places and the place where I raked in the most money was a dirty, smoke-filled indie-rock bar with graffiti everywhere. You'd easily pull in $300 a night on a weekend in tips. Seriously, your thinking is REALLY flawed.
Not really. Notice how I didn't give a detailed description of how i'd arrive at my conclusion. I would look at their working conditions, how many tables ethey're waiting, how much other people are tipping, what time of day it is (ie: I realize more people come to places at night than the day, therefore more tips) etc, and get a feel for a ball park figure of what they're making. From that i'll try and decipher how I should proceed.
In the example you offered, if I saw the server was serving 6 tables an hour and making 3 bucks per, even if they worked in a dive, they wouldn't be getting much of a tip from me with my current standard of living. If you know of a more accurate or scientific way to approach it without going the tactless route of asking the server, by all means, post it up.
What you are saying makes no sense.
This is your reasoning:
This man is working hard, people are rewarding him for his hard work.
I on the other will not.
I imagine you going house hunting and the real esate agent tells you that someone offered $480,000 you would nod sagely, consider what the realator had said and offer three dollars.
The only problem i see here is that while I tip 15%, I still think (or thought) that 10% was what most people tip. And you guys are upset that I believe(d) that 10% was the standard for tipping.
A nice, unedited post about the first time I mentioned how much I tipped. Where I thought I was buying my way into heaven for tipping 15%, and that the average person tips 10%.
Like when I said my brother taught me about 15% 5 or 6 years ago?
obviously it didnt sink in, if you still, to this day, before reading this very thread, thought that 10% was still the norm.
My brother said to tip 15%, which I do. And I still think the majority tip 10%. If waiters didn't think that, then why are they all bitching about bad tips? Wouldn't a bad tip be 10%? So therefore, based on all the bitching, that most people still tip this bad 10%, or maybe even less?
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A nice, unedited post about the first time I mentioned how much I tipped. Where I thought I was buying my way into heaven for tipping 15%, and that the average person tips 10%.
Why are you drinking water out of beer mugs? With straws?
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Like when I said my brother taught me about 15% 5 or 6 years ago?
obviously it didnt sink in, if you still, to this day, before reading this very thread, thought that 10% was still the norm.
My brother said to tip 15%, which I do. And I still think the majority tip 10%. If waiters didn't think that, then why are they all bitching about bad tips? Wouldn't a bad tip be 10%? So therefore, based on all the bitching, that most people still tip this bad 10%, or maybe even less?
Most people do NOT tip 10% is what we're trying to say. Waiters and Bartenders just tend to really hate people. If I didn't make tips bartending, there is no WAY I'd do it for minimum wage.
Like when I said my brother taught me about 15% 5 or 6 years ago?
obviously it didnt sink in, if you still, to this day, before reading this very thread, thought that 10% was still the norm.
My brother said to tip 15%, which I do. And I still think the majority tip 10%. If waiters didn't think that, then why are they all bitching about bad tips? Wouldn't a bad tip be 10%? So therefore, based on all the bitching, that most people still tip this bad 10%, or maybe even less?
this is gonna be my last post on the matter, cuz its pointless, but...
no. you are completely, utterly, totally wrong. your perception of reality in this matter is totally flawed and incorrect. im sure youll keep on thinking that way, most people never care to question their own pre-conceived notions, but it's wrong all the same.
that being said, so long as you keep tipping 15%, it doesnt really matter what you think.
I just think its hilarious how the people in this thread seem to react to someone not tipping in the way they do, or they think people should do as if they were hitler. Seriously, if these people werent making enough money on their tips they could find another job, so obviously everythings running fine. Its like a 5% tip difference makes you think they're out to kill your children next
I'll try to remember that I'm not special for tipping 15%, but average. Thanks for ruining my one thing that made me feel better than the rest. I think I'll whip out a calculator and try to go for 16% from now on to beat the rest.
If you wanted something of value to complain about with me, it'd be haircuts. I normally just tip to the next $10 increment. My $7.75 haircut at the barber the other day got a $10 and "keep the change." 5+ years ago when i went to salons I'd get a $15 cut and give a $20 and say to keep the change.
In regards to all the tipping talk, I thought I would throw my opinion into the ring.
I kind of have a more socialist view on tipping. If I believe i'm in a better economic and social standing than the server, they'll receive a higher percentage than average. If I believe we're on even standing, they'll get the standard 15-20%, and if I believe they're enjoying a signifigantly better standard of living than I am, my tip is going to be pretty anemic.
I look at it this way. I've work in a group home for SED teens for the last two years. I get yelled/screamed/cursed at, spit on, bit, punched, kicked, clawed, poked, "lightly" stabbed, have objects thrown at me, have to deal with some truly unsanitary situations, and need to administer physical restraints to adolescents, all for $11.40 an hour. I don't exactly get tips from the parents or guardians either, no, that's reserved for the guy serving them their Surf N' Turf at the local Sizzler.
When I go to a restaurant and order a reasonably priced meal, I tend to take that into account. If the server is working in a clean environment without physical or (much) verbal abuse, and appears to be racking up a signifigant hourly wage from tips ($20+), i'm inclined to be stingy. I know it makes me look like a grade-A asshole, but i'm just trying to put things in perspective. With that said, i'm currently looking into new jobs, one which i'm currently interviewing for has slightly better working conditions and pays almost double my current hourly wage. Assuming I acquire that job or one like it, my average % tip would go up signifigantly, because my standing in comparison to the service workers would have gone up.
In my opinion it's all a matter of your current standing and place in life. No one should be made to feel bad about a low tip when their standard of living is so much worse than the person they're tipping.
You think that just by going in and observing someone you can get a feeling for how much they're making? That's ridiculous. I've worked in all sorts of places and the place where I raked in the most money was a dirty, smoke-filled indie-rock bar with graffiti everywhere. You'd easily pull in $300 a night on a weekend in tips. Seriously, your thinking is REALLY flawed.
Not really. Notice how I didn't give a detailed description of how i'd arrive at my conclusion, only that I would look at their working conditions, how many tables they're waiting, how much other people are tipping, etc, and get a feel for a ball park figure of what they're making. From that i'll try and decipher how I should proceed.
In the example you offered, if I saw the server was serving 6 tables an hour and making 3 bucks per, even if they worked in a dive, they wouldn't be getting much of a tip from me with my current standard of living. If you know of a more accurate or scientific way to approach it without going the tactless route of asking the server, by all means, post it up.
How exactly are you gauging how much they're making per table? What if they have tables full of people like you? Seriously, just tip a percentage instead of your hackneyed tipping model which is reaaaaally off-base.
Like my mom always said, "If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to eat out.". If your current "standard of living" is that low where you have to consider whether to tip or not, stay in and cook for yourself.
I know this subject hits a little close to home for you, so I understand it's probably a sensitive subject. With that said, I do NOT go out and do things that often, but when I do i'm not going to give someone whom:
A) Has an easier job than I do (opinion) Has a safer/cleaner job than I do
C) Appears to make more than I do
D) Has more respect on the job than I do (opinion)
A signifigant tip. If I sound bitter, i'll freely admit it, I suppose I am. I have a very stressful, high danger, low pay, altruistic job, and at this particular point in my life throwing down a $5'er for a 25 dollar meal/service I (very occasionally) have to a server living better than I do is not something i'm always willing to do.
PS:America has very odd (read: unfair) rules about who "should" be tipped and who shouldn't.
I just think its hilarious how the people in this thread seem to react to someone not tipping in the way they do, or they think people should do as if they were hitler. Seriously, if these people werent making enough money on their tips they could find another job, so obviously everythings running fine. Its like a 5% tip difference makes you think they're out to kill your children next
I understand that, in a way, this relates somewhat to the spirit of the thread but honestly can we just move discussion to a tipping thread in D&D and get back to complaining about taking stickers off of game boxes and not getting enough hours because our managers are douchebags?
10 pages of tipping discussion. Seriously guys.
Edit: In trying to find a mod to PM about splitting this into another thread I have noticed we no longer have "Who mods this forum" or "Users online" features with our new forums........ and I really don't want to bother CT about this. I'm sort of at a loss.
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I just think its hilarious how the people in this thread seem to react to someone not tipping in the way they do, or they think people should do as if they were hitler. Seriously, if these people werent making enough money on their tips they could find another job, so obviously everythings running fine. Its like a 5% tip difference makes you think they're out to kill your children next
nice use of the hitler analogy. very applicable.
I remember when I'd always make argumentative posts by relating them to the holocaust. Well, I mean, I haven't changed, it's just that I don't argue as much anymore on G&T, so I don't get to use my ingenious analogies as much anymore.
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In regards to all the tipping talk, I thought I would throw my opinion into the ring.
I kind of have a more socialist view on tipping. If I believe i'm in a better economic and social standing than the server, they'll receive a higher percentage than average. If I believe we're on even standing, they'll get the standard 15-20%, and if I believe they're enjoying a signifigantly better standard of living than I am, my tip is going to be pretty anemic.
I look at it this way. I've work in a group home for SED teens for the last two years. I get yelled/screamed/cursed at, spit on, bit, punched, kicked, clawed, poked, "lightly" stabbed, have objects thrown at me, have to deal with some truly unsanitary situations, and need to administer physical restraints to adolescents, all for $11.40 an hour. I don't exactly get tips from the parents or guardians either, no, that's reserved for the guy serving them their Surf N' Turf at the local Sizzler.
When I go to a restaurant and order a reasonably priced meal, I tend to take that into account. If the server is working in a clean environment without physical or (much) verbal abuse, and appears to be racking up a signifigant hourly wage from tips ($20+), i'm inclined to be stingy. I know it makes me look like a grade-A asshole, but i'm just trying to put things in perspective. With that said, i'm currently looking into new jobs, one which i'm currently interviewing for has slightly better working conditions and pays almost double my current hourly wage. Assuming I acquire that job or one like it, my average % tip would go up signifigantly, because my standing in comparison to the service workers would have gone up.
In my opinion it's all a matter of your current standing and place in life. No one should be made to feel bad about a low tip when their standard of living is so much worse than the person they're tipping.
You think that just by going in and observing someone you can get a feeling for how much they're making? That's ridiculous. I've worked in all sorts of places and the place where I raked in the most money was a dirty, smoke-filled indie-rock bar with graffiti everywhere. You'd easily pull in $300 a night on a weekend in tips. Seriously, your thinking is REALLY flawed.
Not really. Notice how I didn't give a detailed description of how i'd arrive at my conclusion, only that I would look at their working conditions, how many tables they're waiting, how much other people are tipping, etc, and get a feel for a ball park figure of what they're making. From that i'll try and decipher how I should proceed.
In the example you offered, if I saw the server was serving 6 tables an hour and making 3 bucks per, even if they worked in a dive, they wouldn't be getting much of a tip from me with my current standard of living. If you know of a more accurate or scientific way to approach it without going the tactless route of asking the server, by all means, post it up.
How exactly are you gauging how much they're making per table? What if they have tables full of people like you? Seriously, just tip a percentage instead of your hackneyed tipping model which is reaaaaally off-base.
Like my mom always said, "If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to eat out.". If your current "standard of living" is that low where you have to consider whether to tip or not, stay in and cook for yourself.
I know this subject hits a little close to home for you, so I understand it's probably a sensitive subject. With that said, I do NOT go out and do things that often, but when I do i'm not going to give someone whom:
A) Has an easier job than I do (opinion) Has a safer/cleaner job than I do
C) Appears to make more than I do
D) Has more respect on the job than I do (opinion)
A signifigant tip. If I sound bitter, i'll freely admit it, I suppose I am. I have a very stressful, high danger, low pay, altruistic job, and at this particular point in my life throwing down a $5'er for a 25 dollar meal/service I (very occasionally) have to a server living better than I do is not something i'm always willing to do.
PS:America has very odd (read: unfair) rules about who "should" be tipped and who shouldn't.
I would suggest getting a different job then. Maybe one that involves tips? :P
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If you're spending $25 on a meal for yourself, man, you're eating at a place where the dress code requires the waiters or waitresses to look nice.
Just because their work clothes look good doesn't mean their lifestyle matches
Well, toss a couple drinks on that tab and you can hit $25 REAL easy. I prefer drinkers to eaters as I make WAY more money off of them. $1 for every drink at least and the work involved is quite a bit easier.
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I understand that, in a way, this relates somewhat to the spirit of the thread but honestly can we just move discussion to a tipping thread in D&D and get back to complaining about taking stickers off of game boxes and not getting enough hours because our managers are douchebags?
10 pages of tipping discussion. Seriously guys.
Edit: In trying to find a mod to PM about splitting this into another thread I have noticed we no longer have "Who mods this forum" or "Users online" features with our new forums........ and I really don't want to bother CT about this. I'm sort of at a loss.
We're already on page 97, doesn't it cut off at 99?
On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
That just upsets me more. And then there's Esh's comments about how he hopes people drink beer because it's easy tip money.
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On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
No, I would still make a very decent wage if I was totally honest about it. It's not like we're claiming that we made NOTHING in cash. Just a little less than normal. Some people abuse it terribly though. Those people tend to get caught and audited though.
On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
esh mentioned earlier how, when one person reported all their tips, their actual paycheck came out to around $20 because of taxes associated with tipping. the system encourages lying so as not to have your actual paycheck raped by the government.
On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
esh mentioned earlier how, when one person reported all their tips, their actual paycheck came out to around $20 because of taxes associated with tipping. the system encourages lying so as not to have your actual paycheck raped by the government.
I'd assumed that the tips weren't calculated into his actual paycheck..so while he got very little from his actual paycheck he got so much from tips he would've made a good wage anyway
On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
No, I would still make a very decent wage if I was totally honest about it. It's not like we're claiming that we made NOTHING in cash. Just a little less than normal. Some people abuse it terribly though. Those people tend to get caught and audited though.
It's very hard for the IRS to catch mishandled cash transactions of such small amounts. Your boss on the other hand is the one more likely to catch you. The majority of bartenders I know, the ones who make the huge bucks, all work under the table and are paid in untaxed tips. I believe most of them are employed as busboys or dishwashers on the payroll.
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On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
esh mentioned earlier how, when one person reported all their tips, their actual paycheck came out to around $20 because of taxes associated with tipping. the system encourages lying so as not to have your actual paycheck raped by the government.
I'd assumed that the tips weren't calculated into his actual paycheck..so while he got very little from his actual paycheck he got so much from tips he would've made a good wage anyway
probably. but he can get a better wage by not reporting it all. and the government, because of their own system, has no way of stopping it. which is why the system doesnt work (ie, is fucked).
This man is working hard, people are rewarding him for his hard work.
I on the other will not.
I imagine you going house hunting and the real esate agent tells you that someone offered $480,000 you would nod sagely, consider what the realator had said and offer three dollars.
Not quite......at all. All i'm simply stating is that I tip within my means, rather than tip via social convention. If the guy's working hard, i'll reward him, no question. What I will not do is reward him in such a way that it results in a signifigantly higher standard of living than my own, assuming standard service.
When my standard of living goes up, so will the tips. "Spread the wealth" is an adage I put value in.
I'll ask again. What's the method for tipping on haircuts?
I tip my hair lady like $4 on a 15 dollar cut.
My mom tips the same lady $20 on a $15 cut.
My mythical brother who was a regular there would give the same lady a huge tip, just like your mom. I rarely went so I only gave whatever tip rounding up to $20 was (which I believe to have been a $5 tip).
I've...i've never tipped on a haircut o.O..but..hopefully thats ok as i go to a rather old fashioned barbershop (can't stand the new fangled hair salons, all i want is my hair trimmed damnit) and i've never seen anyone tip there ...
This man is working hard, people are rewarding him for his hard work.
I on the other will not.
I imagine you going house hunting and the real esate agent tells you that someone offered $480,000 you would nod sagely, consider what the realator had said and offer three dollars.
Not quite......at all. All i'm simply stating is that I tip within my means, rather than tip via social convention. If the guy's working hard, i'll reward him, no question. What I will not do is reward him in such a way that it results in a signifigantly higher standard of living than my own, assuming standard service.
When my standard of living goes up, so will the tips. "Spread the wealth" is an adage I put value in.
I'm not a commie, I swear! =P
So bassically you feel cheated because you think someone is living a better life than you?
Despite the fact you have the night off while they are working.
I've...i've never tipped on a haircut o.O..but..hopefully thats ok as i go to a rather old fashioned barbershop (can't stand the new fangled hair salons, all i want is my hair trimmed damnit) and i've never seen anyone tip there ...
I'm completely antisocial, and I hated when I went to an old fashioned barbershop. I like to just close my eyes the whole time and relax and think about things.
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On a side note, it upsets me when people lie about how much they make on tips when reporting it, then get to talk about how their pay is lessened via tips.
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
out of curiosity, since I've never worked in a tip environment for a long period of time...Isn't it that the system works, and with it people get what they're supposed to be making, but they've realized that if they lie their asses off they can make much more? It seems more like people fucking/abusing the system rather than the system being fucked (not that i'm saying i wouldn't do the same thing in that situation)
No, I would still make a very decent wage if I was totally honest about it. It's not like we're claiming that we made NOTHING in cash. Just a little less than normal. Some people abuse it terribly though. Those people tend to get caught and audited though.
It's very hard for the IRS to catch mishandled cash transactions of such small amounts. Your boss on the other hand is the one more likely to catch you. The majority of bartenders I know, the ones who make the huge bucks, all work under the table and are paid in untaxed tips. I believe most of them are employed as busboys or dishwashers on the payroll.
My boss encourages that sort of claiming. So no worries.
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and if your only perceptions of society do come from Small Wonder and Perfect Strangers, dont act surprised when you find yourself horribly misinformed.
Try ten years, maybe 15. Seriously, I'm not making this shit up. 10% was standard for me growing up, and it wasn't until I was college age that I even learned 15% is now standard.
And nobody has answered why the percentage should go up in the first place, when inflation already accounts for that.
What you are saying makes no sense.
This is your reasoning:
This man is working hard, people are rewarding him for his hard work.
I on the other will not.
I imagine you going house hunting and the real esate agent tells you that someone offered $480,000 you would nod sagely, consider what the realator had said and offer three dollars.
Satans..... hints.....
A nice, unedited post about the first time I mentioned how much I tipped. Where I thought I was buying my way into heaven for tipping 15%, and that the average person tips 10%.
Why are you drinking water out of beer mugs? With straws?
Most people do NOT tip 10% is what we're trying to say. Waiters and Bartenders just tend to really hate people. If I didn't make tips bartending, there is no WAY I'd do it for minimum wage.
no. you are completely, utterly, totally wrong. your perception of reality in this matter is totally flawed and incorrect. im sure youll keep on thinking that way, most people never care to question their own pre-conceived notions, but it's wrong all the same.
that being said, so long as you keep tipping 15%, it doesnt really matter what you think.
If you wanted something of value to complain about with me, it'd be haircuts. I normally just tip to the next $10 increment. My $7.75 haircut at the barber the other day got a $10 and "keep the change." 5+ years ago when i went to salons I'd get a $15 cut and give a $20 and say to keep the change.
What's the tip method for haircuts?
I know this subject hits a little close to home for you, so I understand it's probably a sensitive subject. With that said, I do NOT go out and do things that often, but when I do i'm not going to give someone whom:
A) Has an easier job than I do (opinion)
C) Appears to make more than I do
D) Has more respect on the job than I do (opinion)
A signifigant tip. If I sound bitter, i'll freely admit it, I suppose I am. I have a very stressful, high danger, low pay, altruistic job, and at this particular point in my life throwing down a $5'er for a 25 dollar meal/service I (very occasionally) have to a server living better than I do is not something i'm always willing to do.
PS:America has very odd (read: unfair) rules about who "should" be tipped and who shouldn't.
10 pages of tipping discussion. Seriously guys.
Edit: In trying to find a mod to PM about splitting this into another thread I have noticed we no longer have "Who mods this forum" or "Users online" features with our new forums........ and I really don't want to bother CT about this. I'm sort of at a loss.
If you're spending $25 on a meal for yourself, man, you're eating at a place where the dress code requires the waiters or waitresses to look nice.
Just because their work clothes look good doesn't mean their lifestyle matches
I would suggest getting a different job then. Maybe one that involves tips? :P
Well, toss a couple drinks on that tab and you can hit $25 REAL easy. I prefer drinkers to eaters as I make WAY more money off of them. $1 for every drink at least and the work involved is quite a bit easier.
We're already on page 97, doesn't it cut off at 99?
Not really the people themselves, just that the system is so fucked up that people have to lie about their tips because of the fucked up system.
No, I would still make a very decent wage if I was totally honest about it. It's not like we're claiming that we made NOTHING in cash. Just a little less than normal. Some people abuse it terribly though. Those people tend to get caught and audited though.
I'd assumed that the tips weren't calculated into his actual paycheck..so while he got very little from his actual paycheck he got so much from tips he would've made a good wage anyway
It's very hard for the IRS to catch mishandled cash transactions of such small amounts. Your boss on the other hand is the one more likely to catch you. The majority of bartenders I know, the ones who make the huge bucks, all work under the table and are paid in untaxed tips. I believe most of them are employed as busboys or dishwashers on the payroll.
I tip my hair lady like $4 on a 15 dollar cut.
My mom tips the same lady $20 on a $15 cut.
Not quite......at all. All i'm simply stating is that I tip within my means, rather than tip via social convention. If the guy's working hard, i'll reward him, no question. What I will not do is reward him in such a way that it results in a signifigantly higher standard of living than my own, assuming standard service.
When my standard of living goes up, so will the tips. "Spread the wealth" is an adage I put value in.
So bassically you feel cheated because you think someone is living a better life than you?
Despite the fact you have the night off while they are working.
Satans..... hints.....
My boss encourages that sort of claiming. So no worries.