Challenges aren't even bad most of the time. In stadium everyone loves it...nothing gets a crowd so reliably pumped regardless of situation as a challenge. They add like 5 minutes to a 3+ hour game. The action is too fast for the human eye to get it consistently right and sometimes you need to double check. Better accurate officiating than a 5 minute faster unfair outcome
I think the only viable "unlimited challenge" thing is basically you risk a timeout. If you win the challenge, you don't lose it. If you lose the challenge, you lose a timeout. Between that, and booth reviews being what they are, you should be able to challenge anything that needs it. At that point, it's on officiating to just get better at making better calls. Maybe once per half a "ruling stands" doesn't cost a timeout? Maybe. Ruling confirmed should always cost a timeout, though. In the short term, some coaches would lose timeouts, but that's just a revision to the job description, get good at challenging, or get someone on staff who you trust who is very good at it.
I'm not sure how I feel about an interaction between challenges and PI calls. If they're going to make them reviewable, my instinct is that it would be like TDs, they'll get called more often and official review'd. Unlike TDs, PIs are almost always clearer, one way or the other, so that's probably fine, although it'll make the game run a bit longer, and there'll be a few spotty calls (as opposed to a few spotty missed calls, which is ...better?)
In theory this could open the door for a team to challenge for a PI call, and that would slow the game down more, and probably lead to a need to revamp how challenges are allotted.
I think the only viable "unlimited challenge" thing is basically you risk a timeout. If you win the challenge, you don't lose it. If you lose the challenge, you lose a timeout. Between that, and booth reviews being what they are, you should be able to challenge anything that needs it. At that point, it's on officiating to just get better at making better calls. Maybe once per half a "ruling stands" doesn't cost a timeout? Maybe. Ruling confirmed should always cost a timeout, though. In the short term, some coaches would lose timeouts, but that's just a revision to the job description, get good at challenging, or get someone on staff who you trust who is very good at it.
I'm not sure how I feel about an interaction between challenges and PI calls. If they're going to make them reviewable, my instinct is that it would be like TDs, they'll get called more often and official review'd. Unlike TDs, PIs are almost always clearer, one way or the other, so that's probably fine, although it'll make the game run a bit longer, and there'll be a few spotty calls (as opposed to a few spotty missed calls, which is ...better?)
In theory this could open the door for a team to challenge for a PI call, and that would slow the game down more, and probably lead to a need to revamp how challenges are allotted.
Are you sure about that? Wouldn’t this basically end up making the Torrey Smith strategy even more viable, as it’s easy to get some contact by running a fast route, and officials will be more likely to throw a flag knowing they could be challenged?
The only sports organization worse than the nfl is the ncaa.
Whether-or-not this is true does not prevent the NFL from trying to top it in some way. Fucking up rules interpretation in new and interesting ways is a cottage industry for the league.
For all the shit baseball refs get for calling balls and strikes bad... theyre pretty damned good all things considered. Look at how well they can do on the basepaths and how close those calls are. They still have some issues around the new sliding rules but theyre all together a good set of officials.
Because theyre payed well and because theyre full time
Unlike TDs, PIs are almost always clearer, one way or the other
Are you sure about that? Wouldn’t this basically end up making the Torrey Smith strategy even more viable, as it’s easy to get some contact by running a fast route, and officials will be more likely to throw a flag knowing they could be challenged?
Compare the frequency of a close/controversial PI situation (whether called or not), to a goal line pile. To me, the latter is both more common and harder to review.
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at this point, its either all plays are reviewable or you make the last 5 mins have all plays reviewable. The game is already slowed down enough that adding 30 mins t an hour is just a chance for the teams to rest some players, really.
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The problem is that the standards of overturning are clearly not what the rulebook states. In the interest of “getting it right” the rule which states “overturning occurs when there is clear and convincing evidence” has been replaced with “if you didnt know which way the call was how would you rule?”.
There should be no replay review that takes more than a minute or so... because if it takes that long there could not be clear and convincing evidence.
And additionally “we might get things wrong but we have a method which is fair and consistent” assuages a lot of problems that people have with replays.
If the NFL would actually commit to doing that then reviewing more plays would not be much of an issue. Want to review non-call fouls? Well if the evidence is clear and convincing there would be no problem with it.
Well?”. There should be no replay review that takes more than a minute or so... because if it takes that long there could not be clear and convincing evidence.
Small point of order is sometimes if the call is overturned they need time to figure out the new down, distance, and time
Unlike TDs, PIs are almost always clearer, one way or the other
Are you sure about that? Wouldn’t this basically end up making the Torrey Smith strategy even more viable, as it’s easy to get some contact by running a fast route, and officials will be more likely to throw a flag knowing they could be challenged?
Compare the frequency of a close/controversial PI situation (whether called or not), to a goal line pile. To me, the latter is both more common and harder to review.
There’s an opportunity to call PI on every passing play. It’s not quite as bad as holding, but it’s close. Also, a TD has a clear rule: break the plane (unless the play was a pass for some asinine reason), PI is all judgement calls.
I’d be afraid any contact at all would be ruled PI in slow motion, and I don’t relish the idea of handicapping DBs further then the current NFL rules do.
Well?”. There should be no replay review that takes more than a minute or so... because if it takes that long there could not be clear and convincing evidence.
Small point of order is sometimes if the call is overturned they need time to figure out the new down, distance, and time
They can always do that separately. After a minute of review, "The call is overturned. Readjusting the clock/down/distance.", and just take the time to do that, like when they have to do measurements.
But the decision on the call itself is being handled quickly.
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I honestly don’t care if they change the PI rules. Id probably prefer they didn’t.
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Umpires are working nearly every day between March and October.
Football refs work for what boils down to about a month’s worth.
Without overhauling the system, I’m not sure how you make them full-time employees.
The only reason this seems like a problem is because of how we’re conditioned to think of work
Yep. Also, that's assuming that full time refs can't get other responsibilities to take up any "down time". They can do training seminars for upcoming refs, and for players and coaches so that teams know exactly what to expect come the opening of preseason. They can do publicity drives, like going out and umpiring local games. They can do more tape study, collectively with their colleagues, so that there's an active attempt for more consistency on decision making across crews.
It's not hard to figure out how "professional" referees can legitimately fill up their time between March and August.
I'm sure the Cardinals will find some way to squander another year of his career.
yeah this is the harshest truth. He's going to have like the corpse of Andy Dalton throwing to him and he'll go "God damn it I should be at home embarrasing my kid"
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But the team had soured on Bridgewater after his interview dinner and workout with team brass; something about Bridgewater's handshake rubbed Haslam the wrong way, he told team executives.
After a few rounds of interviews, the brass voted. It was 4-1 in favor of Sean McDermott, the Panthers' defensive coordinator, a coach who had crushed his interview and was known to be open to new ideas.
Haslam voted for Hue Jackson, the former Raiders head coach and then-Bengals offensive coordinator.
The Browns adopted a plan to lose and then warred over whether the team lost too much.
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ESPN will offer unprecedented coverage of the 2019 Pro Bowl with four different networks – ESPN, ESPN Deportes, ABC and Disney XD (for the first time) – carrying the matchup of AFC vs. NFC stars on Sunday, Jan. 27, at 3 p.m. ET from Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Fla.
Quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes (AFC/Chiefs) and Russell Wilson (NFC/Seahawks), who led their respective teams to the NFL Playoffs, are among the marquee players in this year’s Pro Bowl. The telecast will feature in-game audio of the Pro Bowl quarterbacks and captains, all of whom will wear microphones. Other planned enhancements include C360 cams on the goal posts, Ref cams and Line-to-Gain cam.
ESPN’s Monday Night Football commentator team of Joe Tessitore, Jason Witten, Booger McFarland and Lisa Salters will call the action for ESPN, ABC and Disney XD, while Eduardo Varela, analyst Pablo Viruega and reporter John Sutcliffe will call the game in Spanish for ESPN Deportes. This will be ESPN’s 15th Pro Bowl telecast and the 24th for ABC. The Pro Bowl will also be available via the ESPN app.
So, not only are they going to media blitz a stupid exhibition game, they're going to put an assload of cameras to broadcast it. Something they can't be bothered to do for real, meaningful games. Also, too, the MNF announce crew that everybody loves.
ESPN will offer unprecedented coverage of the 2019 Pro Bowl with four different networks – ESPN, ESPN Deportes, ABC and Disney XD (for the first time) – carrying the matchup of AFC vs. NFC stars on Sunday, Jan. 27, at 3 p.m. ET from Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Fla.
Quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes (AFC/Chiefs) and Russell Wilson (NFC/Seahawks), who led their respective teams to the NFL Playoffs, are among the marquee players in this year’s Pro Bowl. The telecast will feature in-game audio of the Pro Bowl quarterbacks and captains, all of whom will wear microphones. Other planned enhancements include C360 cams on the goal posts, Ref cams and Line-to-Gain cam.
ESPN’s Monday Night Football commentator team of Joe Tessitore, Jason Witten, Booger McFarland and Lisa Salters will call the action for ESPN, ABC and Disney XD, while Eduardo Varela, analyst Pablo Viruega and reporter John Sutcliffe will call the game in Spanish for ESPN Deportes. This will be ESPN’s 15th Pro Bowl telecast and the 24th for ABC. The Pro Bowl will also be available via the ESPN app.
So, not only are they going to media blitz a stupid exhibition game, they're going to put an assload of cameras to broadcast it. Something they can't be bothered to do for real, meaningful games. Also, too, the MNF announce crew that everybody loves.
I figure somebody pitched new ideas for game broadcasts and the Pro Bowl is where their boss's boss's boss gave the approval to run a pilot program.
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Really wish Romo could just rotate through networks and call big games (and also the pro bowl).
He's definitely better than average, especially at knowing audibles and check-down progressions, but it's painful listening to him call any game featuring New England.
His slavish devotion to Belicheck and Brady are only outdone in commentary circles by the near 3 hour orgasm of verbal diarrhea that is Aikman doing a Cowboys game.
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...Disney XD? Really?
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But the team had soured on Bridgewater after his interview dinner and workout with team brass; something about Bridgewater's handshake rubbed Haslam the wrong way, he told team executives.
After a few rounds of interviews, the brass voted. It was 4-1 in favor of Sean McDermott, the Panthers' defensive coordinator, a coach who had crushed his interview and was known to be open to new ideas.
Haslam voted for Hue Jackson, the former Raiders head coach and then-Bengals offensive coordinator.
The Browns adopted a plan to lose and then warred over whether the team lost too much.
Let's not forget the porn:
The outside anger was felt inside the building. Marketing executives wanted employees to see how fans were engaging with the Browns on social media, so they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building, and one day in particular, it was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for #dp — for Dawg Pound. The problem was, that hashtag carried a few different meanings, one of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than 20 minutes, until a tech employee killed the feed.
Really wish Romo could just rotate through networks and call big games (and also the pro bowl).
He's definitely better than average, especially at knowing audibles and check-down progressions, but it's painful listening to him call any game featuring New England.
His slavish devotion to Belicheck and Brady are only outdone in commentary circles by the near 3 hour orgasm of verbal diarrhea that is Aikman doing a Cowboys game.
I wouldn't call giving positive coverage, if not outright praise, to probably the most successful coach/QB combo in history 'slavish devotion'. Because I'm pretty sure that if LA doesn't shit the bed from stem to stern that McVey/Goff will get some knob gobbling, too.
Also, while I don't pay much attention to the broadcast of Dallas games on FOX, even though Aikman is nearly always on those broadcasts, I never really hear much in the way of out of context praise for Dallas from him. Just a bunch of Old School Footbaw Played The Right Way nonsense coming from a guy who was never all that good at commentary in the first place.
If anything, Aikman is probably just less likely to criticise Dallas. Maybe because he still has some useless silly loyalty since he played there.
It certainly felt like the pats/chiefs broadcast crew got a stern memo mid - game to loudly praise "good" calls by the officials after the phantom roughing the passer call and the subsequent makeup call that got Belicheck fired up.
Is acknowledging makeup calls against the code of conduct or something?
Some kids make baking soda and vinegar volcanoes for their science fair projects. Others find a way to turn their passion into a science fair project.
Meet Ace Davis, a 10-year-old kid from Lexington, Kentucky who created a science fair project about Tom Brady. While kids in New England might be trying to figure out how to scientifically prove that Brady is the greatest quarterback who ever lived, Ace decided to go in a different direction. He created a science fair project that proves that Brady is a cheater.
Some kids make baking soda and vinegar volcanoes for their science fair projects. Others find a way to turn their passion into a science fair project.
Meet Ace Davis, a 10-year-old kid from Lexington, Kentucky who created a science fair project about Tom Brady. While kids in New England might be trying to figure out how to scientifically prove that Brady is the greatest quarterback who ever lived, Ace decided to go in a different direction. He created a science fair project that proves that Brady is a cheater.
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Yeah, you should never encourage a 10-year-old to cheat like that dirty cheater, Tom Brady.
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The only sports organization worse than the nfl is the ncaa.
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I understand the point of view, but I couldn't disagree more.
If you want to confine it just to America, I think US Gymnastics has a sporting chance.
If you want to open it up worldwide, both the IOC and FIFA look at the NFL/NCAA and derisively remark "Amatuers.".
Thinking of terrible organizations, here's a fun thought:
Once this down year ends for the Patriots, they're projected to have twelve draft picks this year to reload with.
It's nice to see something finally going the Patriots' way.
I'm not sure how I feel about an interaction between challenges and PI calls. If they're going to make them reviewable, my instinct is that it would be like TDs, they'll get called more often and official review'd. Unlike TDs, PIs are almost always clearer, one way or the other, so that's probably fine, although it'll make the game run a bit longer, and there'll be a few spotty calls (as opposed to a few spotty missed calls, which is ...better?)
In theory this could open the door for a team to challenge for a PI call, and that would slow the game down more, and probably lead to a need to revamp how challenges are allotted.
Are you sure about that? Wouldn’t this basically end up making the Torrey Smith strategy even more viable, as it’s easy to get some contact by running a fast route, and officials will be more likely to throw a flag knowing they could be challenged?
Whether-or-not this is true does not prevent the NFL from trying to top it in some way. Fucking up rules interpretation in new and interesting ways is a cottage industry for the league.
It’s money
Working full time to become better referees.
For all the shit baseball refs get for calling balls and strikes bad... theyre pretty damned good all things considered. Look at how well they can do on the basepaths and how close those calls are. They still have some issues around the new sliding rules but theyre all together a good set of officials.
Because theyre payed well and because theyre full time
Compare the frequency of a close/controversial PI situation (whether called or not), to a goal line pile. To me, the latter is both more common and harder to review.
The problem is that the standards of overturning are clearly not what the rulebook states. In the interest of “getting it right” the rule which states “overturning occurs when there is clear and convincing evidence” has been replaced with “if you didnt know which way the call was how would you rule?”.
There should be no replay review that takes more than a minute or so... because if it takes that long there could not be clear and convincing evidence.
And additionally “we might get things wrong but we have a method which is fair and consistent” assuages a lot of problems that people have with replays.
If the NFL would actually commit to doing that then reviewing more plays would not be much of an issue. Want to review non-call fouls? Well if the evidence is clear and convincing there would be no problem with it.
Football refs work for what boils down to about a month’s worth.
Without overhauling the system, I’m not sure how you make them full-time employees.
Small point of order is sometimes if the call is overturned they need time to figure out the new down, distance, and time
There’s an opportunity to call PI on every passing play. It’s not quite as bad as holding, but it’s close. Also, a TD has a clear rule: break the plane (unless the play was a pass for some asinine reason), PI is all judgement calls.
I’d be afraid any contact at all would be ruled PI in slow motion, and I don’t relish the idea of handicapping DBs further then the current NFL rules do.
They can always do that separately. After a minute of review, "The call is overturned. Readjusting the clock/down/distance.", and just take the time to do that, like when they have to do measurements.
But the decision on the call itself is being handled quickly.
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The only reason this seems like a problem is because of how we’re conditioned to think of work
Yep. Also, that's assuming that full time refs can't get other responsibilities to take up any "down time". They can do training seminars for upcoming refs, and for players and coaches so that teams know exactly what to expect come the opening of preseason. They can do publicity drives, like going out and umpiring local games. They can do more tape study, collectively with their colleagues, so that there's an active attempt for more consistency on decision making across crews.
It's not hard to figure out how "professional" referees can legitimately fill up their time between March and August.
yeah this is the harshest truth. He's going to have like the corpse of Andy Dalton throwing to him and he'll go "God damn it I should be at home embarrasing my kid"
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I really want to see Brown end up in Cleveland and see then dominate the division into the playoffs.
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Pro Bowl game to simulcast on four channels
So, not only are they going to media blitz a stupid exhibition game, they're going to put an assload of cameras to broadcast it. Something they can't be bothered to do for real, meaningful games. Also, too, the MNF announce crew that everybody loves.
I figure somebody pitched new ideas for game broadcasts and the Pro Bowl is where their boss's boss's boss gave the approval to run a pilot program.
He's definitely better than average, especially at knowing audibles and check-down progressions, but it's painful listening to him call any game featuring New England.
His slavish devotion to Belicheck and Brady are only outdone in commentary circles by the near 3 hour orgasm of verbal diarrhea that is Aikman doing a Cowboys game.
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Not like there'd be anything better on it.
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I wouldn't call giving positive coverage, if not outright praise, to probably the most successful coach/QB combo in history 'slavish devotion'. Because I'm pretty sure that if LA doesn't shit the bed from stem to stern that McVey/Goff will get some knob gobbling, too.
Also, while I don't pay much attention to the broadcast of Dallas games on FOX, even though Aikman is nearly always on those broadcasts, I never really hear much in the way of out of context praise for Dallas from him. Just a bunch of Old School Footbaw Played The Right Way nonsense coming from a guy who was never all that good at commentary in the first place.
If anything, Aikman is probably just less likely to criticise Dallas. Maybe because he still has some useless silly loyalty since he played there.
Is acknowledging makeup calls against the code of conduct or something?
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