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US Government Shutdown 2018/2019 - read mod post on pg 23
Bogart
Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
Dear America,
Your government seems to have shutdown unexpectedly.
Would you like to restart?
Talk about it all here.
Your government seems to have shutdown unexpectedly.
Would you like to restart?
Talk about it all here.
So It Goes on
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It was asked in the last thread, but I may have missed the answer; is there a deadline we should be watching for at which point the next paycheque is also likely fucked (delayed for most, that is, but if people are already looking to sell stuff on Craigslist, I'm guessing a second cheque getting held back would be catastrophic for a bunch of them, and push even previously semi-comfortable folks into uncomfortable territory).
Can we just install a different operating system instead?
So with Trump basically holding on to the idea of declaring a national emergency, when is that likely to happen? He's already done the performative "negotiation" with Schumer and Pelosi following his address, and Lindsey Graham is egging him on, so I kind of assumed it would come down today.
I don't know if a restart will fix this. We're in reinstall territory at least.
Also, according to Freedom Caucus member Justin Amash, the back pay bill that just passed is not just for this shut down, but a rules change for any and all future shutdowns.
Justin Amash is a House Rep, member of the Freedom Caucus, and just voted that federal employees should totally not get paychecks whenever the President throws a temper tantrum.
What if we just replace the exe?
Three weeks with half the Government unfunded and no end in sight. Maybe we should stop running the Government like a business and run it like a Government.
Like yes, it's a thing these people shouldn't have to worry about, but also, something that kind of exacerbates the whole shutdown problem while it looks like something that might get pulled out more and more frequently. So I'm torn, but would still probably vote for it.
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I'm not because he's complaining about us taking the gun out of his hand
He does have a point that a move like this will likely make shutdowns more common.
But it’s not the employees who should be punished if the government shuts down.
He's not wrong. Putting safeguards in effect to mitigate damage from shutdowns just makes it easier to justify shutting down the government. This idea is a step towards normalizing the practice.
Broken clocks being right twice a day and all that.
It will make them less likely because they won't have leverage. There will be no reason to shut down the government because it won't provide them leverage
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Wait, if they can do that, can they just pass something that says "in the event of budget disagreement, funding levels will continue an existing levels". Just do that, and this never happens again.
Or does that fall into "binding future Congress" territory?
Eventually the TSA people and the ATC people are going to have to quit. Just because they will get a future paycheck will not get them a current paycheck to put food in their stomachs and a roof over their head.
And when the Airports either shut down or slow to a crawl, Republican Senators are going to get calls from very rich people who can legitimately say things like "You're afraid of Trump? You should be afraid of me!"
That falls into "Trump would have a tantrum" category.
It does not relieve any pressure during the shutdown or help employees make ends meet. Still dont like normalizing shutdowns but it doesnt relieve any pressure during them.
Federal Prison guards are not paid and like the TSA folks are calling out sick and they are using non-standard personnel to make up for it.
FEMA put stop orders out on many preparedness contracts
A good timeline of what is happening and will happen
We are 7 days from the Judiciary shutting down.
Exciting new questions we've never had to face before because this bullshit has never lasted this long.
Taking away people's money for weeks or months is still a powerful and damaging move, even if they get paid at the end now.
Gun is still there, they're just offering medical assistance after the bullets fly, now.
It doesn't bind future Congress as they would likely throw a waiver condition in there that they could use to ignore it, but would have to take a vote to do so. Same as how PAYGO works
oh, now I see their plan
Nah, more like criminal courts. The Supreme Court and the main appellate courts will still be working. This would probably hurt what they want more than help. Also though judges are suppose to be non-partisan this probably won't make the Judiciary look at them and their arguments with a kind eye.
I kind of figured there was some backroom pressure going on, because the classic Trump tell on if he's actually not going to do a thing is if he drops a word salad of "might, maybe, definitely will's when talking about that thing. I'm sure what's left of his white house staff is saying this would go badly, the DoD is grumbling to the right people about not paying for this boondoggle, and the political move of pulling funds from disaster relief for states has got to be politically DOA.
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It is still damaging but a step in the right direction. Having a law on the books would probably help them secure financial assistance during shutdowns though
On the other hand it might guarantee they can't get unemployment benefits in the here and now.
I had not considered that, but I believe the states could handle this by asking for reimbursement when the check came
Or if it is "shut down" have everything already appropriated keep getting funded as normal. So all a shut down should do is stop new stuff from going into effect not throwing people out of their homes or depriving poor people of food.
so that the United States doesn't have to put up with the conservatives deciding that they're happy to see the republic crumble
I mean, we can make it so that Government Shutdowns don't happen and this sort of hostage-taking showmanship can't be attempted again