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Honestly we do just sit around shooting rats in Arkansas or [TRUE DETECTIVE s3]

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edited January 16 in Singularity Engine++


KEEP EVERYTHING FROM LATEST EPISODE IN SPOILER TAGS, OPEN SPOILERS ON PREVIOUS EPISODES

On November 7, 1980 there was a full moon. It was the night that Steve McQueen died. It's also the night that the two Purcell children of West Finger, Arkansas vanished in the neighboring Devil's Den. Mahershala Ali's Detective Wayne Hayes ask the big question of whodunnit over three different time periods. The audience of course is mostly asking if Nick Pizzolatto can recapture the spark of the much praised season 1 of True Detective. We once again find ourselves dealing with time, memory, and murder back in a rural south. Though with the Nortwest Arkansas that Pizzolatto lived in for many years filling in for season one's Louisiana.

Let's put our heads together and figure out what happened to the Purcell children and if Pizzolatto bites the bullet and goes full Lovecraft finally (he won't)

Also for bonus. I am from the town this series was shot in so I HAVE FUN TRIVIA SCOOPS also some reflections on how it plays with the actual history of the region.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    So.
    Who drilled the hole in the wall.

    Obvious answer is the cousin, but it could have been the father or the murdered kid.

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    edited January 16
    So.
    Who drilled the hole in the wall.

    Obvious answer is the cousin, but it could have been the father or the murdered kid.
    I'm of the mind that it probably IS the cousin who drilled the hole. But he ultimately didn't commit the murder or kidnapping. Really though it's Julie being kidnapped and alive that throws the biggest wrench for me on culprits.

    Granted he's from Fort Smith and that means I should hate him on principle and believe he is the murderer

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    The cousin definitely creeped on his own cousin, is my read of it. I don't believe he took the kids, though.

    I don't think we've at all seen the killer so far.

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    Hey lurkers here's a bone for you: so far it's VERY GOOD and way more like S1 than S2. You should get back into it and pretend S2 never happened.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I never even watched S2, jokes on you!

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Just as a stylistic choice, I loved how FUCKIN HUGE the full moon is the night of the disappearances because that's a big detail Wayne recalls from that night

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Just as a stylistic choice, I loved how FUCKIN HUGE the full moon is the night of the disappearances because that's a big detail Wayne recalls from that night

    Which is interesting because, as Gustav pointed out in the TV thread

    https://kalender-365.de/lunar-calendar.php?yy=1980

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    That said, that's about as an easy a goof as there is to do in a show. So I'm not married to that as a clue

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 16
    I would think the size of the moon is more a clue than the incorrect phasing.
    By design it’s impossible to tell which parts of the story are How it Happened and which parts are just Recollection.

    S1 has that thing where everything in the past was how it happened and they would directly contradict the shit on screen.

    S3 seems like it is doing that, with the beer drinking while shooting rats, then you have the 4th wall break as Past Wayne looks at the camera and says “I’d like to stop.”

    Edit: oh yeah, and when future Wayne says that he didn’t feel like his race affected the decisions of his superiors when it’s obvious past Wayne felt otherwise

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    I'm almost fully expecting the end of the series to look like the dementia episode of Castle Rock.

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    I definitely interpreted all the past scenes as being a depiction of the future testimonials, but now that you mention it there definitely are contradictions there.

    I expect there's gonna be SOMETHING where it turns out what we saw was a false memory or omitted a crucial detail that Hayes lost at some point over the years.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    I definitely interpreted all the past scenes as being a depiction of the future testimonials, but now that you mention it there definitely are contradictions there.

    I expect there's gonna be SOMETHING where it turns out what we saw was a false memory or omitted a crucial detail that Hayes lost at some point over the years.
    I kinda expect the whole heroic finding the kid’s body to have a hole in it, or at least be part of the embellished retelling.

    Also remember that he is trying to keep his memory problems hidden in 1990 when it also seems like there is some common knowledge among his peers that he has these issues.

    And he is using techniques that you use with people with dementia/memory problems to keep himself stable. Focus on very specific details of the story, like the moon or a notable death, record things in your own voice reminding you of things. Etc.

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    edited January 16
    Some light knowledge based on locations I know that are in the intro credits and trailers.
    That giant Jesus statue means we are going to a town called Eureka Springs at some point. Bout an hour out from West Fork and Fayetteville. ((West Finger is the show's stand in for the former))

    Anyways it's a major tourist town with a weird history all its own. It was settled near springs which were thought to have magic healing properties. Eventually a hotel there was transformed into an asylum by a con-man named Norman Baker with some falsified degrees and medical credentials. Loads of folks scammed and a lot of others died. Anyways a few years later it was turned into a hotel again called The Crescent. The construction had its own mishaps and more folks died. Now a days it is considered one of the most haunted hotels in America.

    Which I don't think will play into the story particularly. But the town since has become a bit of a folk art and hippie hold out. So I could see the investigation into the dolls absolutely leading them there.

    Also worth noting that if they get closer to the Buffalo River they enter a whole region just drenched in cult history and satanic panic. The initial Purcell disappearance actually matches up time wise with a couple sacrificing their infant child to the devil on the mountain I was raised on. And that's hardly scratching the surface of all the cults that have been out here.

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  • Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    So, the hole in the closet.
    It seemed that it was drilled from the other room, the parents, now Mom's room, since I believe they showed the sawdust on the floor in the boy's closet, as if it had been drilled through from the other side. Now, while you could easily drill from whichever side, if the uncle was sleeping in the boy's room and the boy was on the couch, it tells me that a parent drilled that hole, unless I'm totally misremembering everything that was said during those scenes and that is entirely possible.

  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    The hole
    I thought the drilled hole was to view the daughters room.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    The hole
    I thought the drilled hole was to view the daughters room.

    It absolutely was.

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    So, the hole in the closet.
    It seemed that it was drilled from the other room, the parents, now Mom's room, since I believe they showed the sawdust on the floor in the boy's closet, as if it had been drilled through from the other side. Now, while you could easily drill from whichever side, if the uncle was sleeping in the boy's room and the boy was on the couch, it tells me that a parent drilled that hole, unless I'm totally misremembering everything that was said during those scenes and that is entirely possible.
    You wouldn't drill a hole from a main wall into a closet. You hide in the closet to watch the bed, not the other way around.

    Also the way drills work, sawdust is pulled towards the side that's being drilled I'm pretty sure.

    Now there might still be something to this, say if the mother was a willing exhibitionist or something like that.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    So, the hole in the closet.
    It seemed that it was drilled from the other room, the parents, now Mom's room, since I believe they showed the sawdust on the floor in the boy's closet, as if it had been drilled through from the other side. Now, while you could easily drill from whichever side, if the uncle was sleeping in the boy's room and the boy was on the couch, it tells me that a parent drilled that hole, unless I'm totally misremembering everything that was said during those scenes and that is entirely possible.
    You wouldn't drill a hole from a main wall into a closet. You hide in the closet to watch the bed, not the other way around.

    Also the way drills work, sawdust is pulled towards the side that's being drilled I'm pretty sure.

    Now there might still be something to this, say if the mother was a willing exhibitionist or something like that.
    Well, you can’t get sawdust to come out of the end of the hole that hasn’t been made yet.

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    The hole
    I thought the drilled hole was to view the daughters room.

    It absolutely was.
    I definitely thought it was the mom's room while watching it but I didn't exactly go back to pay close attention to the house's geography.

    If it's Julie's room that puts an even bigger suspicion on the cousin.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Gustav wrote: »
    The hole
    I thought the drilled hole was to view the daughters room.

    It absolutely was.
    I definitely thought it was the mom's room while watching it but I didn't exactly go back to pay close attention to the house's geography.

    If it's Julie's room that puts an even bigger suspicion on the cousin.
    It was looking right at a mirror that I don’t think you see in the parents room and also looks very 80s girly.

    Also I think they explicitly said that the two kids rooms were next to each other the scene before they found the hole.

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    Question for the thread. Should we just say spoilers for latest episode or just keep to all spoilers?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I would say for latest episode, because otherwise it will be literally nothing but spoiler posts and thus basically unreadable.

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    My vote would be anything from the latest episode is closed spoilers and everything else is open?

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    Yeah that's my thinking too.

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  • Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    Ok, I just rewatched it, got my geography all fucked up.
    It is from the boy's closet to the girl's room, looking directly at her vanity. And the sawdust is in the boy's closet.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    The opening credits are nice, but I don't think you can beat S1's opening.

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    I know all of the acting conversations have been around Mahershala Ali (and rightly so) but I think Scoot McNairy has also been killing it

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Oh wait that's Scoot McNairy? Dang I thought he was terrible in that Monsters, great in this

  • Medium DaveMedium Dave Registered User regular
    He's very good in Halt and Catch Fire.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    edited January 16
    My speculationss bases on ep 1:

    The boy drilled the hole in the closet to watch his sister.

    The porn mags are exactly the kind of thing kids would leave in a communal space like the watch tower, so that’s where I suspect the boy got them (I don’t think the cousin brought them even though he says he did).

    The cousin had relations with the wife while he was visiting and that was the breaking point for the marriage.

    Something’s up with the VW kids. Maybe not the murder, but they specifically turned off to watch the Purcell kids go past.

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  • BillyIdleBillyIdle What does "katana" mean? It means "Japanese sword."Registered User regular
    I am super digging this so far, and can't wait until the next episode.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Also I have no idea if people from Arkansas sound like that but I am loving the accents.

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    The accent work is almost consistently on point

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  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    wait gus do you have the accent too

    was i even more accurate when i called you country dante that one time

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    edited January 17
    My dad's from New York and mom's from Philadelphia and was raised in the Ozarks.

    My accent is a mess.

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  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    i am going with yes

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  • GustavGustav Registered User regular
    I was made fun of my lack of said accent within the week

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    Just caught up.

    This is pretty good.

    Some details about the kids
    The brother lied to their dad about going to see Ronnie with the dog that he's going to the playground. That friend told his dad that they could come over and see the dog, but didn't give a specific time frame and his dad says he never left the house.

    The long haired leader of the black sabbath trio also lied to the police saying he never saw the kids, but he had the boys bike at the fire lookout.

    The kid from 13 reasons why tells the police that he saw the kids. And now there's tension between him and the long haired one.

    I'm assuming one or all of them will be the one's falsely accused/tried for it.

    Also it'd be very true detective for the part about Julie and her father in '90 that led to Hays leaving the force be about her actual father, and not Mr. Purcell.

    I could probably go on

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  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    My girlfriend is from Arkansas, her family's in Fort Smith and she went to college in Fayetteville

    she has found these two episodes downright spooky in how well things are portrayed

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I am from the Mississippi, Memphis, Alabama area and I appreciate the accents in this show.

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