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So Google has been working on something and today we finally know what it is. Enter: STADIA. Stream your game from a google connected TV. Or from your Chrome browser.
You can use any controller, but of course Google will sell you one. It looks like this.
Apparently it will do 4K 60fps to start with plans to scale to 8K 120 fps.
Launches in 2019, no word on pricing yet, more news later this year.
I didn't see another thread on this anywhere. What do people think about streaming all their crap?
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but if there's one company with resources to make it happen, it's google.
I thought about that too
but I don't recall making a presentation like that for the stuff the half-assed.
I love the idea of not having to upgrade my stuff periodically, could totally be a savings over the long haul. I can't even do 4K 60 FPS on my rig currently.
They just need to have the will.
And yeah, they have dropped a ton of projects that people care more about than streaming gaming.
Initial thoughts:
The video card industry will take a giant hit.
Google will be basically monetizing playing games by charging the devs by usage. Not games themselves. But actually playing games will be monetized. I'm not sure how developers change their pricing model for this.
Two major points of failure imo are (1) End user internet connection. I don't doubt Google has optimized their end better than anyone else could have. But there are two ends to this and any kind of internet problems on the users side means they have performance degredation. I have Google Fiber and sometimes can't get quality performance on Netflix. That would be bad for games. (2) The controller connects through wifi directly to the data center to control the games. This is bad, imo, since it prevents us from relying on hardwired connections that are almost always more reliable and faster.
I'm not afraid of Stadia failing, I'm terrified of it being triumphant.
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I think Google is guessing that most of the usage of this will be wifi streaming for the game in general so the controller streaming doesn't really add another crazy layer of failure.
I'm also always very wary of the continued push by these companies to take ownership more and more out of the hands of people. How much control do we want to give these companies over what media we have access to?
Do you pay for individual games? Do you pay a subscription? If that latter, do developers get paid by the session? By play time?
You also have to start to wonder about antitrust. It's honestly pretty surprising that Google hasn't run up against that more. Honestly, I think they and a few other companies should be kept in check more than they currently are, and shouldn't be allowed to have so much influence over so many facets of people's lives.
And people with bad connections and low data caps are already being left out of the current generation of consoles and their 70GB day-zero patches. Streaming doesn't change that much.
EDIT: That fucking logo is atrocious.
Indeed.
I thought the idea of basically a hyperlink that let you launch right to that part of a game you saw in a video was super cool, too.
Some of the more interesting developments involve not just streaming but developing it as a platform. Local co-op, machine learning in games, the ability to have 1000 player battle royales. It's a bit more ambitious than I thought it would have been initially.
bad connections? No. There are plenty of games I can play that dont require a solid connection to the internet. Even those that generally do also have single player options to not have to rely on connecting with other players.
low data caps? sure.
I suppose I should be excited about the power of these announcements, but I'm just filled with apprehension.
Data caps? Sure. But even with a bad/middling connection I can set up a download to go when I sleep/while I'm at work. With streaming that's definitely not an option.
In an ideal world where everyone has gigabit fiber connections I would love the idea of game streaming. I'm worried that if it's wildly successful it'll become the norm and gate a lot of people out of gaming entirely. At least I'll have DnD to fall back on, I guess...
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I mean if this becomes the standard the low end of cards probably dies and everything else is for like, content creation and whatever else people use Titans and whatever for. And crypto mining I guess?
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Well, Nvidia is already pivoting to ML and datacenter work. AMD has both traditional consoles plus Google's business from this thing.
This seems pessimistic. My guess would be Stadia comes out, if it makes a bajillion dollars then in like three years EA pulls their games from their service and makes "Origin Anywhere" and then like three other companies follow suit. See what is happening with video streaming fragmentation. Steam is already messing around in this space with the recent Steam Link changes.
So in like ten years we can look forward to having to have like four different subscriptions to streaming game services just to play all the games!
This was a huge waste of money and they could have just issued a press release. :P
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I'm not sure there's a console to reveal. It sounds like it could just be a Chromecast if you needed something.
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It's GDC...which is generally not supposed to be a consumer-facing conference (I guess unless you're part of the public that likes hearing talks about public vs private spaces in Hitman 2). They'll probably have more later. Don't forget that pricing/logistics/specs for a lot of these services outside of PSNow and stuff like Shadow (i.e. xCloud, Origin, Nvidia Geforce Now, Steam Link) hasn't been announced yet either.
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There's no console to reveal, it's all in the cloud. As for release date, they did say it'll be available this year.
The lack of games is the real problem. The one original thing they showed, the elf forest thing, didn't look particularly good. And Doom Eternal - the game they said would prove that this works - was just some scenery, no actual gameplay.
There is no console... and it was more than just lots of Youtube stuff. I'd recommend actually watching the entire presentation.
We didn't get any confirmation of games on the platform other than Assassin's Creed, no idea of pricing, and features that sound neat but how often will people actually want to use State Share? "Hey google, how do I beat this level" just gets you google assistant linking you an entire youtube video or gamefaq.
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Ah, that could be. I'm tired and didn't even think of that.
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I'm not certain. Chromecasts and Google enabled TVs are already pretty common. This seems low barrier to entry and Google probably has way better infrastructure than MS to bring this to the masses.
I mean it's ultimately going to come down to service quality and games and Google has a leg up on one, Xbox on the other. I just feel like games is the easier one to fix.
Pricing is all still TBD.
If so, I'm in and this is needed.