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Over 200 dead in [Sri Lanka] Easter attacks

HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
This morning several bombs detonated at churches in Sri Lanka, killing 207 (at the time of this post) and injuring more. There were also explosions at some hotels, totaling 8 explosions according to this article.

There's no known culprits yet, as far as the public is concerned, but several arrests have been made at the cost of some police lives during a raid (also noted in the article link above).

In response, the Sri Lankan government has blocked social media sites, specifically to stop the spread of misinformation AND hate rhetoric, the latter of which could cause more attacks.

As far as Christian population there goes, it's pretty small, but they were very clearly the target of all this.

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    RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Been looking for a post on this. I don't even know where the place is. Just a horrible, horrible thing on a holy day for many.

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    RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    What's crazy is police went to a house to question people, 2 explosions then occured. So they were at the right house. Wonder if they were about to plan out another attack.

    Read this on cnn coverage

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I'm sorry about the relatively bare bones OP on this. This is pretty heavy duty and it's hard to concentrate enough while trying to find info on what the fuck happened and who the hell did this.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    The Times says that police were warning 10 days ago that churches may be targeted. But also some bureaucratic snafu meant the prime minister wasn't informed.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Some Twitter accounts to follow for reliable information

    https://twitter.com/sanjanah

    https://twitter.com/tingilye

    The prime minister has stated that information on the attacks was received in advance, but it's unclear what that info was or how it was handled.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Been looking for a post on this. I don't even know where the place is. Just a horrible, horrible thing on a holy day for many.

    Not to be an insensitive jackass, but that was assuredly the point.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Yeah it was absolutely an act of terror.

    I'm looking for updates on the situation and there isn't anything out there right now. I guess we'll find out overnight here as more details come about.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    I have worked closely with a Sri Lankan for years, she was at my wedding. Her immediate family is okay, at least. She doesn't know more than that because they've mostly shut down social media right now (apparently because false news reports were spreading like wildfire)

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Official death toll has risen to 290, and the social media blackout remains in place. New York Times is reporting 24 arrests so far

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/world/asia/sri-lanka-bombing-explosion.html

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Denmark's richest person (and coincidentally the largest landowner in Scotland) was on Easter vacation on Sri Lanka with his family.

    Three of his four children died in the attacks.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    The Sri Lankan government is reported to suspect Islamic terrorists with international connections.

    For the record, Sri Lanka is ca. 70% Buddhist, 13% Hindu, 10% Islam and 7% Christian.

    Sri Lanka also had a bloody 26-year civil war between the Tamil minority (ca 15%) (rebel faction was the Tamil Tigers) and the Sinhalese majority (ca 75%). (The remaining 10% of the population are mostly muslim Moors). The civil war ended in 2009. Sinhalese are mostly Buddhists, and Tamil mostly Hindu (I believe), so I don't think this is related to the terrorist attacks.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    An absolutely horrific event and really quite heartbreaking. 290 people. Staggering. My heart goes out to all of them.

    What will be deeply concerning is how incredibly coordinated these attacks were.

    Multiple bombings at multiple locations spread across wide geographic areas. That's not a small cell or even just a small network, that's a serious and large terrorist organisation (for terrorist standards) with access to resources and critical skills, international support according to some reports as well. They'll be a crackdown obviously, but how did they manage to launch such a large and coordinated bombing campaign? This must have been planned for months, maybe even years, and obviously there's been a dropping of the board by the Sri Lankan security services if they knew about it weeks in advance.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    My heart aches for Sri Lanka. A decade of peace and now this. They don’t deserve this, and the death toll alone is unfathomable.

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    ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    This was a horrific attack. Close to 300 people dead..

    I feel bad for the Sri Lankans because this isn't getting the news traction that NZ or even the ND fire got. These people deserve that same outpouring of love and donations and mind space that the other two tragedies got.
    Solar wrote: »
    What will be deeply concerning is how incredibly coordinated these attacks were.

    Multiple bombings at multiple locations spread across wide geographic areas. That's not a small cell or even just a small network, that's a serious and large terrorist organisation (for terrorist standards) with access to resources and critical skills, international support according to some reports as well. They'll be a crackdown obviously, but how did they manage to launch such a large and coordinated bombing campaign? This must have been planned for months, maybe even years, and obviously there's been a dropping of the board by the Sri Lankan security services if they knew about it weeks in advance.

    Also, this is a big worry to me as well. This was a very coordinated attack which indicates a potential greater threat and possibly repeat activity from that threat.

    Today's news is that the terrorist group that carried this out in Sri Lanka received help from an international terrorist organization, which lends even more credence to that worry.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    According to der Spiegel the police is still finding unexploded bombs. This could've been even worse.

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    CNN is reporting that ISIS is claiming responsibility, and that an official is saying the local group that actually did the attack did it in retaliation to the Christchurch attacks.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I would have figured it would take a lot more planning and coordination.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    CNN is reporting that ISIS is claiming responsibility, and that an official is saying the local group that actually did the attack did it in retaliation to the Christchurch attacks.

    Because there are a lot of Sri-Lankan alt-right white supremacists.

    Proving once again that radicals of all stripes, are fucking morons.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    MorganV wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    CNN is reporting that ISIS is claiming responsibility, and that an official is saying the local group that actually did the attack did it in retaliation to the Christchurch attacks.

    Because there are a lot of Sri-Lankan alt-right white supremacists.

    Proving once again that radicals of all stripes, are fucking morons.

    Doubtful.

    This attack has probably been planned out among others for months, even years, and was probably chosen as most likely to succeed. Your mistake is thinking they give a shit if the Christians they blow up are alt-right or not.

    ISIS is a lot of things, but considering they keep changing their tactics to keep the most well funded army in the world playing catch up, "fucking morons" is not one of them.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    ISIS claims responsibility for everything. Don't take their word for it.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    MorganV wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    CNN is reporting that ISIS is claiming responsibility, and that an official is saying the local group that actually did the attack did it in retaliation to the Christchurch attacks.

    Because there are a lot of Sri-Lankan alt-right white supremacists.

    Proving once again that radicals of all stripes, are fucking morons.

    Doubtful.

    This attack has probably been planned out among others for months, even years, and was probably chosen as most likely to succeed. Your mistake is thinking they give a shit if the Christians they blow up are alt-right or not.

    ISIS is a lot of things, but considering they keep changing their tactics to keep the most well funded army in the world playing catch up, "fucking morons" is not one of them.

    I consider there to be a difference between cunning, and smarts. Not disputing their capacity for the former, just arguing their ability for the latter. Because who's this going to convince? "We blew up almost 300 people, mostly of a racial makeup despised by the kind of people who are on the Christchurch shooter's side, to prove a point to the people on the Christchurch shooter's side.".

    Terrorism by it's very nature, is a fucking stupid way of making a point. But in this case, the purported reasoning behind it is one of the most stupid things I've read in a while, and I've read Trump and Guiliani's responses to the Mueller report. There's literally zero upside. The only people that'd be convinced by, let alone not turned away from their messaging, are people already on that crazy train.

    And as @Mayabird points out, there's a difference between who planned this attack, and who is claiming responsibility for, and the reasoning for, the attacks.

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Edit: accidental post

    Ok, now a real post
    Mayabird wrote: »
    ISIS claims responsibility for everything. Don't take their word for it.

    Before they switched topics, CNN reporter said one of the suspected terrorists did go to Syria to fight for ISIS and then returned to Sri Lanka. In the report they said there were 32 confirmed Sri Lankans that went to fight and an unknown number have returned.

    And I believe the idea behind why this is in retaliation for Christchurch isnt about the attacker being an alt righter, but him being a Christian extending a stochastic holy war. A Christian attacked Muslims, so the Muslims attacked Christians.

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    I'm glad there is a thread on this. Too often, terrorist attacks in places aside from the US and EU are basically ignored.
    Veevee wrote: »
    And I believe the idea behind why this is in retaliation for Christchurch isnt about the attacker being an alt righter, but him being a Christian extending a stochastic holy war. A Christian attacked Muslims, so the Muslims attacked Christians.
    Indeed. Groups like ISIS or AQ don't care about things like "alt right" or even about racial/ethnic identity. They want to divide society along religious lines - Muslim vs. non-Muslim. It is abstractly similar to the alt-right goal of dividing the world into white vs. non-white, but the line of division is different. The attack itself might have little or nothing to do with Christchurch, but the act of saying that it did is part of their propaganda war, meant to instill anti-Muslim sentiment among Christians generally.

    Also, while there have been some false ISIS claims, they don't really claim responsibility for everything and their claims have been true a high enough percentage of the time that they shouldn't be dismissed. Plus, it fits their style of terrorism.

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    Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    CNN is reporting that ISIS is claiming responsibility, and that an official is saying the local group that actually did the attack did it in retaliation to the Christchurch attacks.

    Because there are a lot of Sri-Lankan alt-right white supremacists.

    Proving once again that radicals of all stripes, are fucking morons.

    Doubtful.

    This attack has probably been planned out among others for months, even years, and was probably chosen as most likely to succeed. Your mistake is thinking they give a shit if the Christians they blow up are alt-right or not.

    ISIS is a lot of things, but considering they keep changing their tactics to keep the most well funded army in the world playing catch up, "fucking morons" is not one of them.

    I consider there to be a difference between cunning, and smarts. Not disputing their capacity for the former, just arguing their ability for the latter. Because who's this going to convince? "We blew up almost 300 people, mostly of a racial makeup despised by the kind of people who are on the Christchurch shooter's side, to prove a point to the people on the Christchurch shooter's side.".

    Terrorism by it's very nature, is a fucking stupid way of making a point. But in this case, the purported reasoning behind it is one of the most stupid things I've read in a while, and I've read Trump and Guiliani's responses to the Mueller report. There's literally zero upside. The only people that'd be convinced by, let alone not turned away from their messaging, are people already on that crazy train.

    And as @Mayabird points out, there's a difference between who planned this attack, and who is claiming responsibility for, and the reasoning for, the attacks.

    I mean the point isn't to kill all Christians, the point is to increase their own notoriety and keep donations coming in. For that they just want to hit someone and make the news, it doesn't really matter who they hit.

    They aren't trying to convince Christians, if every Christian in the world just insta-converted to Wahabi islam it would be a disaster for groups like ISIS. Their purpose is to grift Muslims, and to facilitate that grift every once in a while they have to convince some poor low-rank sucker who drank too much of the kool aid to kill some Christians or members of another sect of Muslims.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    The point is always to provoke more violence

    Always

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    The point is always to provoke more violence

    Always
    Yeah. What they want is for some other wingnut to slaughter some Muslims in "response," and to do so in Jesus's name. And the alt-right terrorists want the same. This is a sick symbiotic relationship which some on both sides are conscious of and others are ignorantly contributing to.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    These groups thrive in times and places where violence is common, sectarian violence especially, government and such is minimal, employment and security is low.

    So they take action to try to provoke violence, prevent government functions, destroy employment opportunities and job security and so on. You create an environment that lends itself to people joining extremist groups to build your recruitment, and the best way to do that is to get your enemies to kill the people of the guys you're trying to recruit

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    On this note, I am concerned about Anzac Day in Turkey tomorrow.

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    al-Jazeera is reporting an increased death toll, the number now stands at 359 people. This is one of the worst singular terrorist attacks I've seen.

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »

    That's amazing

    Although the hashtag made me feel like I might be losing my mind there for a second. I had to read it an embarrassing number of times to get it because I kept getting to #terroristhaven and then staring staring at the screen dumbfounded because no that can't possibly be right

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    The backgrounds of the bombers are nothing short of terrifying, and makes me despair of reaching out to people before they lose their minds to extremism like this. How the fuck does the pregnant wife of a millionaire become radicalized? To the point of blowing up her unborn child and herself along with scores of innocent people?

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    I haven't heard the backgrounds really, is there a link?

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    On this note, I am concerned about Anzac Day in Turkey tomorrow.

    Following up, at least one alleged ISIS member has been arrested in Turkey accused of planning to target the Anzac Day celebrations in Gallipoli.
    So similar attack averted, thankfully.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    I haven't heard the backgrounds really, is there a link?

    3 of them were from an extremely wealthy family

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    I haven't heard the backgrounds really, is there a link?

    3 of them were from an extremely wealthy family

    Isn't distributing knowledge of these types of people something that research has shown tends to encourage more instances of it? Maybe we can just leave out the background info on the terrorists in this thread, at least? (I'm not a mod, just my take.)

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    I haven't heard the backgrounds really, is there a link?

    3 of them were from an extremely wealthy family

    Isn't distributing knowledge of these types of people something that research has shown tends to encourage more instances of it? Maybe we can just leave out the background info on the terrorists in this thread, at least? (I'm not a mod, just my take.)

    You know, I was actually wondering the same thing after I asked.

    For an academic discussion and deconstruction of motivations, and how one might build an extremist the details of their background seems somewhat vitally important.

    However mass distribution of that information has itself been acknowledged as a means by which extremism spreads. Maybe as amateurs in the space vague details are all we should be able to get our hands on. I certainly don't need their names or anything, some folks might, and we probably shouldn't make a habit of memory holing dissidents, but I can probably live on not knowing who these folks were specifically.

    Like I don't really need the details to know that extremism breeds in isolation and that any life can be isolating no matter how privileged.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    No but seriously, link? I've heard nothing about the terrorists' backgrounds. Literally none of the outlets I follow have reported anything about it.

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    KadokenKadoken Giving Ends to my Friends and it Feels Stupendous Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    I think there is a distinction between different types of killers where the idea of limiting exposure makes sense and where it doesn’t. That’s not to say we should engage in discriminative bigoted Ben Shapiro-like actions of hiding alt-right shooters’ names but totally being cool with releasing all the info on a Muslim shooter, but that the reason to put a lid on shooters like the Christchurch one and his writings is that increased exposure of ideas and a performative actions like some have called a “high score” is the point. Those should have a lid on them, in my opinion, and to this day I don’t know the guy’s face or name. Which is good. For possible recruitment of some people, the guy’s mission totally fails by that vacuum.

    This type of terrorism doesn’t really have a dangerous exposure aspect to it. The majority of the world knows the motivations and ideas behind it, at least I think. The point is to create strife which will lead to discrimination which will lead to new recruits. The act is the recruitment, and not the publicity after (although the act for alt-right folks can be the recruitment as well).

    Edit: well, the publicity after does work for those discriminating against others while using this as fuel. However, the fact that the guy is from “the poor country” and is from “bad race” is more important than who he is. It is complicated and I can now see how exposure can indirectly feed the idea of recruitment so hmm.

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