The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent
vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums
here.
We now return to our regularly scheduled PA Forums. Please let me (Hahnsoo1) know if something isn't working. The Holiday Forum will remain up until January 10, 2025.
Posts
it's gross and also the worst
If he, or anyone besides Beverly Crusher, Q, or Vash, appears on Picard but doesn't call him "Captain," it's going to be kind of weird.
It’s an easy way to do some violence without hiring stuntmen. Plus empath magic lets you use it whenever you want, as opposed to having to setup a specific set of circumstances.
There’s a lot of reasons to use it if you’re a writer, just that most of those reasons are lazy or using shortcuts.
Minor nitpick:
Yes, it's stupid, but so is most of the film.
Eh, goofy Data is really only in Generations, and Spiner chews less and less scenery in each film.
In the script he was B9, but that apparently ran into copyright issues over another sci-fi robot with that name?
God, that's actually an even worse play on words.
His first name was To'taly.
Like, secret Picard clone that grew up different and acts as a dark mirror to the man we know. Ok, this can work. Hell, the established descriptions of his past make this sound totally legit. A Picard who never learned discipline and control, especially a much younger one, works.
Then you mirror that with a similar Data storyline. Except ... you invent a new android? What? Lore is right fucking there.
Like, right there, that's a solid basis for a good movie. You can make that shit work. But it just felt like no one cared.
Wow, I read up on that. Baird (the director) repeatedly called LeVar "Laverne" and thought Geordi was an alien. And the director refused to watch any TNG episodes.
Fuck that guy.
Enlist in Star Citizen! Citizenship must be earned!
and then Admiral Janeway kills him
Also, at the time, that director's experience was mostly as an editor, with a couple of middle of the road films as a director. Whereas at the time, LeVar was (and still is) on the board of the Directors Guild of America.
Nah, Lore got killed off during the series. If he was still alive, Data wouldn't have his emotion chip, which Lore stole before killing their creator. This is also a reason why Data was somewhat reluctant to install the emotion chip because it resulted in Lore becoming a psychopath and there was no guarantee that it wouldn't have similar negative impacts on Data.
If they wanted another one of Dr. Noonien Soong's androids, they had to create a new one.
On the other hand, Lore is exactly the sort of villain to have created a backup of himself.
He was not. He was deactivated. As far as anything the show showed he simply needs to be turned back on.
There's the root of some interesting ideas in Into Darkness too, but in both films all the ideas are left half thought out and tangled together into a mess that serves no purpose but to fill time between TWoK scene A and TWoK scene B.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Yeah, I think that guy directed US Marshall’s, the entirely unnecessary spinoff of The Fugitive. That movie is... well... I recall there being a scene that flash backed to a previous one that happened practically 5 minutes earlier because they thought we were too stupid to understand why RDJ was obviously the villain of the piece. It was so, so bad.
"The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I’d beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it." -- Jack Kirby
One episode he's apparently been a changeling for ... some amount of time. Literally the next episode he's also a superman. Frankly, neither of them really land well. And both feel, and according to Memory Alpha were, last-second retcons.
The changeling thing only really makes imo assuming it happened like 1 episode before. Since nothing about previous episodes makes him feel like he's not Bashir, nor does it quite make sense. Given we have no idea what amount of time passes between most episodes, I figure we can roll with that. It's a cute little reveal but it ends up discarded like minutes worth of screentime later so it ultimately doesn't amount to much meaningful. It does a good job of motivating the plot of that specific 2-parter and that's it.
The genetic engineering reveal is just ... very whatever on it's own. And just completely does not make sense with previous stuff with the character and thus really really feels like a retcon.
I want Kevin Uxbridge to deliver the eulogy at my funeral.
In the original script it was B9, as in he was benign. They changed it while shooting because they couldn't put anything remotely clever into the movie. sigh.
edit - whoops didn't realize this was already replied to
I could see that.
I went and checked, seems like he was disassembled (now I'm reminded of short circuit). I know Star Fleet has it's far share of incompetence, but wouldn't be surprised if some on the Enterprise saw to it that he couldn't be reassembled without Data's aid.
I think Lore backup copy or an android build by lore probably would have worked better. Either way, would have worked better than what Nemesis gave us. Though it sounds like they had a shit director that shouldn't have been allowed to manage things. I know I wouldn't tolerate a director that refuses to watch stuff that is in a franchise. I wouldn't tolerate an excuse on that, even the whole "but I don't want my creative thought process to be constrain by established expectations" because a franchise like Star Trek pretty much has expectations that people need to work within.
Anyways, I just hope they pretend Nemesis didn't happen. Upside is it wasn't nearly as bad as Star Trek The Motion Picture, which I think has be chucked out of the cannon.
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
What Starfleet would do when faced with an existential threat from a superior foe is something that's been done with the Borg and Dominion. Having the events of the Trek reboot kick off the standard 'things are dangerous out there, we must be more dangerous' thinking was the easy option. A better direction for them to go in would have been to use the fact that Nero's crew had (as far as I can remember) trashed the hell out of the Klingons and Starfleet fleets, and I think had murderized a bunch of Romulans too. That gives you the three major powers who have all had their militaries massively weakened, which could be used as motivation for the three major powers to join in some sort of vague alliance. Basically instead of WoK, riff on the Trek with Shakespeare. It might not be great, but it'd certainly be better than thawing out Khan to build a really big ship to start a war with the Klingons. If they really needed an admiral to do something TOS related with weapons and stupidity, the Planet Killer neutronium ice cream cone is right there.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Remember Wolf 359
Picard being stuck in a shuttle with Wesley for several hours
And I guess this weird race of aliens who appear to be too stupid to tie their own shoes let alone master space travel
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Yesssssss
And of course Riker meets a smoking-hot Colleen
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Kill me now
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3