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When you're no longer the golden child actually failing or passing isn't really important
It's that a) it's not the best and more importantly b) it wasn't easy
If you've been coasting all your life and suddenly you're struggling there's a fear that wasn't there before and that fear is paralytic
it's more common for maths specifically, I bet
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"I'm good at maths!" in secondary education tends to mean "I'm good at arithmetic". being smacked in the face with real analysis is a shock. i tutored for a bit, i've seen people who aced precalc do worse than students who didn't when things suddenly switch to constructing the entire real line from first principles rather than just assuming it. high schools hide the definition/set/continuity stuff to avoid confusing students (even an AP calc class might steer carefully away from it) and colleges aggressively push it to let maths requirements wash out students who struggle to handle abstract concepts whose motivation isn't immediately obvious, even though there's no reason e.g. a medic or a lawyer or an engineer would actually need to appreciate why the intermediate value theorem needs a proof
(it does test whether the student can put up with strange and arbitrary rules for long enough to eventually learn their context, potentially years later)
there's a certain socioeconomic inflection as well, i'm sure... it's maths, for a certain middle-and-upward class outlook the sky is the limit, there's no end of olympiads to plunge a kid into. the particular kids who flame out in this way have a particular kind of low expectation foist upon them
I think you're right - narratively Willis is going for the golden-boy angle - but I've seen this particular tension for systemic reasons instead IRL
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I think I can comfortably say that the only consistent thing in my education from elementary school to undergrad was that all my math teachers sucked.
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The only D I ever got in my academic career was a math class called "Applied Combinatorics".
No, I don't know what it is either, how do you think I got a D?
Though I totally thought I got a C. My buddy and I were in the same class and he thought he had an A and got a B. Then we knew some folks who took the same class from the same professor the next semester and apparently he made it way easier and everyone got A's and B's.
Everything turned out okay for both of us, but I'd say that we're slightly bitter about this.
The math class that utterly ruined me and sent me running for online calculators was called Discrete Mathematics. I can't recall most of what it was about because I've repressed that semester in my memory.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
For me it was Geometry because my geometry teacher sucked harder than any teacher I have ever had before or since.
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For me it was Geometry because my geometry teacher sucked harder than any teacher I have ever had before or since.
There was a geometry problem in the textbook that presented a problem where the angle provided, combined with the number of sides of the polyhedron and other specifications within the problem, would have resulted in a total number of degrees in the shape in excess of 360. When I told the teacher that the problem in the textbook was literally impossible, I was told to shut up and solve it as the book asked. That's when I dropped out of geometry, because what's the fucking point if you won't even follow the rules you told me I had to learn?
I know some math teachers who are pretty cool. I remember a particular old lady who was quite horrible to students but also extremely sad, and that always bummed me out. Made me think being a math teacher in high school must be like being stuck in hell.
I did okay in Calc 1, but Calc 2 broke me for several reasons
-my already being burned out on abstract math
-it being specifically designed as a weedout class
-forcing us to do a weekly 2-hour “math lab” a large part of which consisted of having to learn Linux programming on ancient computers
-the TA spoke limited English with a thick accent which made communication nearly impossible
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Well. Butcher Karkin is definitely a Devil (of the "Oni with an Iron Club" variety), but I'm thinking Sephara of Zae is actually a Servant and not a devil? She doesn't seem to have a mask.
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When I took geometry the teacher wouldn’t teach shit until after the test and was like “here is the shit you idiots got wrong” and half the fucking thing was a vocabulary lesson about which theorems we were using
And I was like
A: can you not teach us shit BEFORE the test instead of pointing to a page number and leaving with you coffee?
B: this is math, if I can do the problem and show you how I did it then why the fuck do you need me to know the name of the technique?
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When I took geometry the teacher wouldn’t teach shit until after the test and was like “here is the shit you idiots got wrong” and half the fucking thing was a vocabulary lesson about which theorems we were using
And I was like
A: can you not teach us shit BEFORE the test instead of pointing to a page number and leaving with you coffee?
B: this is math, if I can do the problem and show you how I did it then why the fuck do you need me to know the name of the technique?
So you can talk about it to other mathematicians!
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When you're no longer the golden child actually failing or passing isn't really important
It's that a) it's not the best and more importantly b) it wasn't easy
If you've been coasting all your life and suddenly you're struggling there's a fear that wasn't there before and that fear is paralytic
it's more common for maths specifically, I bet
spoilered for opiniony rant
"I'm good at maths!" in secondary education tends to mean "I'm good at arithmetic". being smacked in the face with real analysis is a shock. i tutored for a bit, i've seen people who aced precalc do worse than students who didn't when things suddenly switch to constructing the entire real line from first principles rather than just assuming it. high schools hide the definition/set/continuity stuff to avoid confusing students (even an AP calc class might steer carefully away from it) and colleges aggressively push it to let maths requirements wash out students who struggle to handle abstract concepts whose motivation isn't immediately obvious, even though there's no reason e.g. a medic or a lawyer or an engineer would actually need to appreciate why the intermediate value theorem needs a proof
(it does test whether the student can put up with strange and arbitrary rules for long enough to eventually learn their context, potentially years later)
there's a certain socioeconomic inflection as well, i'm sure... it's maths, for a certain middle-and-upward class outlook the sky is the limit, there's no end of olympiads to plunge a kid into. the particular kids who flame out in this way have a particular kind of low expectation foist upon them
I think you're right - narratively Willis is going for the golden-boy angle - but I've seen this particular tension for systemic reasons instead IRL
I hit geometry badly as well, but I think that was a combination of factors including a terrible teacher who retired a third of the way into the school year, the replacement basically giving up on that year, and my own mostly unrelated general collapse. And then that sabotaged me for the following courses so fuck you too, school.
For me it was Geometry because my geometry teacher sucked harder than any teacher I have ever had before or since.
There was a geometry problem in the textbook that presented a problem where the angle provided, combined with the number of sides of the polyhedron and other specifications within the problem, would have resulted in a total number of degrees in the shape in excess of 360. When I told the teacher that the problem in the textbook was literally impossible, I was told to shut up and solve it as the book asked. That's when I dropped out of geometry, because what's the fucking point if you won't even follow the rules you told me I had to learn?
...but the amount of degrees in a polyhedron is (n-2)*180deg. ??
Geometry was relatively okay for me until it coincided with discrete mathematics and asked me to describe the curve of an equation and what kind of curve it was.
Y'all are dredging up memories best kept forgotten.
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I think this is one of those fights where you get more XP if you find the peaceful solution.
Huh, really thought it was going to turn out she had been fighting eglamore the whole time
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It's som recursive thing where they see themselves in the distance seeing themselves in the distance seeing themselves in the distance combined with the effect of Mr. Tur Tur the "Seeming Giant" from Jim Button and Luke the Engine Driver
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This is absurd. There are probably tons of websites devoted to that fetish.
it's more common for maths specifically, I bet
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(it does test whether the student can put up with strange and arbitrary rules for long enough to eventually learn their context, potentially years later)
there's a certain socioeconomic inflection as well, i'm sure... it's maths, for a certain middle-and-upward class outlook the sky is the limit, there's no end of olympiads to plunge a kid into. the particular kids who flame out in this way have a particular kind of low expectation foist upon them
I think you're right - narratively Willis is going for the golden-boy angle - but I've seen this particular tension for systemic reasons instead IRL
Knowing how grading works in college nowadays Im not certain he couldn't still get a C.
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No, I don't know what it is either, how do you think I got a D?
Everything turned out okay for both of us, but I'd say that we're slightly bitter about this.
There was a geometry problem in the textbook that presented a problem where the angle provided, combined with the number of sides of the polyhedron and other specifications within the problem, would have resulted in a total number of degrees in the shape in excess of 360. When I told the teacher that the problem in the textbook was literally impossible, I was told to shut up and solve it as the book asked. That's when I dropped out of geometry, because what's the fucking point if you won't even follow the rules you told me I had to learn?
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If he was capable of doing that math he wouldn't be in this situation to begin with!
-my already being burned out on abstract math
-it being specifically designed as a weedout class
-forcing us to do a weekly 2-hour “math lab” a large part of which consisted of having to learn Linux programming on ancient computers
-the TA spoke limited English with a thick accent which made communication nearly impossible
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
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And I was like
A: can you not teach us shit BEFORE the test instead of pointing to a page number and leaving with you coffee?
B: this is math, if I can do the problem and show you how I did it then why the fuck do you need me to know the name of the technique?
So you can talk about it to other mathematicians!
This was me when I hit geometry in high school.
Because Gee, I'm a tree.
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...but the amount of degrees in a polyhedron is (n-2)*180deg. ??
Y'all are dredging up memories best kept forgotten.
Gunnerkrigg Court
I think this is one of those fights where you get more XP if you find the peaceful solution.
I like the gremlin child rendition of Sothis.
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Huh, really thought it was going to turn out she had been fighting eglamore the whole time
But eglamore could see the two thingers fighting.
EDIT: Ok, he didn't. I was mistaken. It still could be eglamore that she was fighting.