Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Cool beans, I did not know that.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
With Fires in play, you can cast your commander without paying it's mana cost (the thing printed on the card) as long as you have the appropriate amount of lands available. The commander tax will still apply, but given your spells are free and most commanders are expensive, this will still let your commander be reliably cast if ever removed.
Fires gives an alternate cast mode. You can select to cast your Commander for 0 as long as its CMC is equal to or less than the amount of lands you control (its CMC is always exactly as printed). Or you can cast it for 13 because it's gone back to the command zone 4 times. It's up to you. The commander rule is essentially artificially increasing its mana cost, it's not an additional cost like sacrificing a creature via Blood Funnel, so if you have a Blood Funnel in play, that would still need to happen.
Basically it's just like using Rooftop Storm with a zombie commander. Increasing a cost can still be reduced to 0 for the purposes of alternate cast methods. That's what the commander death tax does. Additional costs are a totally different animal and will always need to be paid...in addition.
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astrobstrdSo full of mercy...Registered Userregular
Basically it's just like using Rooftop Storm with a zombie commander. Increasing a cost can still be reduced to 0 for the purposes of alternate cast methods. That's what the commander death tax does. Additional costs are a totally different animal and will always need to be paid...in addition.
Just chiming in to use this exact example since I run it in Nekusar.
01.2e The player determines the total cost of the spell. Usually this is just the mana cost. Some spells have additional or alternative costs. Some effects may increase or reduce the cost to pay, or may provide other alternative costs. Costs may include paying mana, tapping permanents, sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on. The total cost is the mana cost or alternative cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all cost reductions. If the mana component of the total cost is reduced to nothing by cost reduction effects, it is considered to be 0. It cant be reduced to less than 0. Once the total cost is determined, any effects that directly affect the total cost are applied. Then the resulting total cost becomes "locked in." If effects would change the total cost after this time, they have no effect.
117.9. Some spells have alternative costs. An alternative cost is a cost listed in a spell's text, or applied to it from another effect, that its controller may pay rather than paying the spell's mana cost. Alternative costs are usually phrased, "You may [action] rather than pay [this object's] mana cost," or "You may cast [this object] without paying its mana cost." Note that some alternative costs are listed in keywords; see rule 702.
903.10. A player may cast a commander he or she owns from the command zone. Doing so costs that player an additional 2 for each previous time he or she cast that commander from the command zone that game.
All of the rules. Apparently I was told wrong by a level 3 judge at the time and that makes me mad. He should have known better.
Ponies acquired for wife's holiday present. Wanted to add a Rarity playmat but they were only selling bundles of all 3 and we don't need the others (also was not spending that much).
This is gonna get buried by the impending new thread but I wanted to mention that these arrived today, and I chose the most basic (read: free) shopping option. O_O
Basically it's just like using Rooftop Storm with a zombie commander. Increasing a cost can still be reduced to 0 for the purposes of alternate cast methods. That's what the commander death tax does. Additional costs are a totally different animal and will always need to be paid...in addition.
Reducing to 0 (reduction, like Stormscape Familiar) and casting without paying (alternate cost) are two different things. Rooftop Storm is the latter and tax still applies.
Ponies acquired for wife's holiday present. Wanted to add a Rarity playmat but they were only selling bundles of all 3 and we don't need the others (also was not spending that much).
This is gonna get buried by the impending new thread but I wanted to mention that these arrived today, and I chose the most basic (read: free) shopping option. O_O
Oh dang, thanks for reminding me! Just put in my order for those too.
Maro’s Podcast is about designing the new set and mostly how everybody was super into doing Arthurian legend’s and thought his fairy idea was stupid. It’s pretty hilarious considering that nobody really seems to care about the Arthurian plot in the middle of all of this. Everybody I know lakes this set for all of the dumb fairytale bullshit. Honestly it’s so on the nose that I’m starting to wonder if maybe he’s mythmaking a little bit.
KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
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Other than knights, lake lady, and maybe some grail stuff, I remember very little Arthurian legend well enough to match it to card design. And I actually like, studied a lot of it in high school & college.
I guess I remember the Green Knight who let Gawain chop his head off. I guess that could be Deathless Knight? He's green.
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With Fires in play, you can cast your commander without paying it's mana cost (the thing printed on the card) as long as you have the appropriate amount of lands available. The commander tax will still apply, but given your spells are free and most commanders are expensive, this will still let your commander be reliably cast if ever removed.
Just chiming in to use this exact example since I run it in Nekusar.
You still pay the commander cost increase with alternate casting modes. Done.
117.9. Some spells have alternative costs. An alternative cost is a cost listed in a spell's text, or applied to it from another effect, that its controller may pay rather than paying the spell's mana cost. Alternative costs are usually phrased, "You may [action] rather than pay [this object's] mana cost," or "You may cast [this object] without paying its mana cost." Note that some alternative costs are listed in keywords; see rule 702.
903.10. A player may cast a commander he or she owns from the command zone. Doing so costs that player an additional 2 for each previous time he or she cast that commander from the command zone that game.
All of the rules. Apparently I was told wrong by a level 3 judge at the time and that makes me mad. He should have known better.
This is gonna get buried by the impending new thread but I wanted to mention that these arrived today, and I chose the most basic (read: free) shopping option. O_O
Reducing to 0 (reduction, like Stormscape Familiar) and casting without paying (alternate cost) are two different things. Rooftop Storm is the latter and tax still applies.
Oh dang, thanks for reminding me! Just put in my order for those too.
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
I guess I remember the Green Knight who let Gawain chop his head off. I guess that could be Deathless Knight? He's green.