I think that if I was a Democrat voter I'd be looking at Warren or Bernie and trying to find a way for them to unify their position and make a strong platform off that. They're the real players here, but I'd be concerned about them splitting half the party's vote and letting Biden in.
Anyone outside of Biden, Warren, Sanders and Harris should probably quit at this point like if you're polling single figures post debate what exactly are you doing now.
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I think that if I was a Democrat voter I'd be looking at Warren or Bernie and trying to find a way for them to unify their position and make a strong platform off that. They're the real players here, but I'd be concerned about them splitting half the party's vote and letting Biden in.
Anyone outside of Biden, Warren, Sanders and Harris should probably quit at this point like if you're polling single figures post debate what exactly are you doing now.
Most of them will drop later this year or before Iowa. For many of them the point wasn’t to actually be elected for president. For many of them the point is to raise their national profile, which makes it easier for them to get re-elected, or get a cabinet position, get elected to a higher up position, get additional campaign funding which they can use for other campaigns.
It’s a good way to raise their profile and come out ahead. 538 did an article on it.
So yeah the field will likely be whittled down to 10-15 by December and 7 or 8 after Iowa. And 3 after March with the winner being obvious.
Aye. "Beto shouldn't run" ignores that Beto needs to keep his national profile up, and the way to do that is the primary.
And I would had bet that this thread gets early locked. 8 pages yet, but still.
Keep this up, then pivot back to running for Senate would be a good idea.
Eh I dunno we have a republican guy like this in washington state named Dino Rossi, he runs for a lot of different senate, governor, and I think recently a house seat, every time he loses its hilarious, but you lose often enough and people just think of you as a loser.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Aye. "Beto shouldn't run" ignores that Beto needs to keep his national profile up, and the way to do that is the primary.
And I would had bet that this thread gets early locked. 8 pages yet, but still.
Keep this up, then pivot back to running for Senate would be a good idea.
Eh I dunno we have a republican guy like this in washington state named Dino Rossi, he runs for a lot of different senate, governor, and I think recently a house seat, every time he loses its hilarious, but you lose often enough and people just think of you as a loser.
Huge difference between getting in early in a primary, giving some speeches and doing a debate or two and then withdrawing from the race versus continually taking it to the end and losing. The only folks who are going to get damaged by this are folks who aren't really ready to have any kind of spotlight on them and fuck up in a debate or something.
The annoying bit of this whole thing is that candidates who are here to primarily build name recognition (and maybe lottery ticket style test the waters) can under no circumstance admit that they are doing that.
Former Vice President Joe Biden lost one of his top fundraisers after controversial comments regarding his work with past segregationists and his flip-flop on repealing the Hyde Amendment, CNBC has learned.
Tom McInerney, a veteran San Francisco based lawyer, informed Biden’s team on June 20 that he can no longer help him raise campaign cash to compete in the 2020 presidential election.
“I had actually let the campaign known I’d pulled back my support of Biden for now,” McInerney told CNBC. “I don’t think he did well last night,” he added, reflecting on Biden’s debate performance on Thursday night.
While McInerney is the first financier to publicly withdraw his support after Biden’s controversial round of comments, the loss is significant because it could be a harbinger of further defections.
“I would imagine I’m not alone,” said McInerney, who was a lead bundler for President Barack Obama in his first run for president. He helped Obama’s campaign raise at least $200,000 throughout that cycle, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
Damn, at this rate Biden is going to last less than Jeb!. If I were the donor class, I would easily put money into a Harris/Booker ticket. The appearance of change without actually having to change anything.
Aye. "Beto shouldn't run" ignores that Beto needs to keep his national profile up, and the way to do that is the primary.
And I would had bet that this thread gets early locked. 8 pages yet, but still.
Keep this up, then pivot back to running for Senate would be a good idea.
Eh I dunno we have a republican guy like this in washington state named Dino Rossi, he runs for a lot of different senate, governor, and I think recently a house seat, every time he loses its hilarious, but you lose often enough and people just think of you as a loser.
Huge difference between getting in early in a primary, giving some speeches and doing a debate or two and then withdrawing from the race versus continually taking it to the end and losing. The only folks who are going to get damaged by this are folks who aren't really ready to have any kind of spotlight on them and fuck up in a debate or something.
The annoying bit of this whole thing is that candidates who are here to primarily build name recognition (and maybe lottery ticket style test the waters) can under no circumstance admit that they are doing that.
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Former Vice President Joe Biden lost one of his top fundraisers after controversial comments regarding his work with past segregationists and his flip-flop on repealing the Hyde Amendment, CNBC has learned.
Tom McInerney, a veteran San Francisco based lawyer, informed Biden’s team on June 20 that he can no longer help him raise campaign cash to compete in the 2020 presidential election.
“I had actually let the campaign known I’d pulled back my support of Biden for now,” McInerney told CNBC. “I don’t think he did well last night,” he added, reflecting on Biden’s debate performance on Thursday night.
While McInerney is the first financier to publicly withdraw his support after Biden’s controversial round of comments, the loss is significant because it could be a harbinger of further defections.
“I would imagine I’m not alone,” said McInerney, who was a lead bundler for President Barack Obama in his first run for president. He helped Obama’s campaign raise at least $200,000 throughout that cycle, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
Damn, at this rate Biden is going to last less than Jeb!. If I were the donor class, I would easily put money into a Harris/Booker ticket. The appearance of change without actually having to change anything.
Wealthy donors are on the Anyone But Warren train.
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"Like, just to use a completely made up hypothetical, if some guy running for president had come in here last week and done a little dance while yelling 'I'm Joe, I'm a pretty pretty princess,' it would have been totally fine. Nobody would be able to hold it against him, because that was acceptable way back then. I'm just saying, we should be understanding of this guy who, maybe this morning, also might have said something unflattering about the homosexual gentleman at the bakery."
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You know, if I thought that the MSM was capable of being subtle, I would say that this is a pro-Harris article, if only because it only makes the "fuck Biden" voices louder.
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So planning to engage the front runner on their weaknesses is characterized as some kind of underhanded scheme rather than a competent political strategy
The "Willie Horton" campaign ad was produced by supporters of George H.W. Bush for his 1988 presidential campaign against Michael Dukakis.
Horton, an African-American man, was a convicted murderer who raped a white woman and stabbed her partner while furloughed from prison under a Massachusetts program in place when Dukakis, the Democratic nominee, was governor.
The TV ad is now considered one of the most racially divisive in modern political history because it played into white fear and African-American stereotypes. In it, an off-screen narrator tells the story of Horton's crimes while pictures of Bush and Dukakis and a menacing mug shot of Horton flash across the screen. The narrator notes that Bush supports the death penalty for murderers.
"Dukakis not only opposes the death penalty, he allowed first-degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison," the narrator says.
The ad ends with this tag line: "Weekend prison passes, Dukakis on crime."
The Republicans have been pulling this shit for decades and I 'm not surprised to see it happening in the Dem primary, let alone the general.
Former Vice President Joe Biden lost one of his top fundraisers after controversial comments regarding his work with past segregationists and his flip-flop on repealing the Hyde Amendment, CNBC has learned.
Tom McInerney, a veteran San Francisco based lawyer, informed Biden’s team on June 20 that he can no longer help him raise campaign cash to compete in the 2020 presidential election.
“I had actually let the campaign known I’d pulled back my support of Biden for now,” McInerney told CNBC. “I don’t think he did well last night,” he added, reflecting on Biden’s debate performance on Thursday night.
While McInerney is the first financier to publicly withdraw his support after Biden’s controversial round of comments, the loss is significant because it could be a harbinger of further defections.
“I would imagine I’m not alone,” said McInerney, who was a lead bundler for President Barack Obama in his first run for president. He helped Obama’s campaign raise at least $200,000 throughout that cycle, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
Damn, at this rate Biden is going to last less than Jeb!. If I were the donor class, I would easily put money into a Harris/Booker ticket. The appearance of change without actually having to change anything.
Wealthy donors are on the Anyone But Warren train.
Can I get a summary on why Tulsi Gabbard is so terrible?
She's in the past been hugely homophobic, including being against gay marriage (she has publically changed her mind).
And to elaborate on that she wasn't just anti gay marriage she led the charge against same sex civil unions in Hawaii on purely hateful rhetoric and rationale as a young member of the state legislature
Former Vice President Joe Biden lost one of his top fundraisers after controversial comments regarding his work with past segregationists and his flip-flop on repealing the Hyde Amendment, CNBC has learned.
Tom McInerney, a veteran San Francisco based lawyer, informed Biden’s team on June 20 that he can no longer help him raise campaign cash to compete in the 2020 presidential election.
“I had actually let the campaign known I’d pulled back my support of Biden for now,” McInerney told CNBC. “I don’t think he did well last night,” he added, reflecting on Biden’s debate performance on Thursday night.
While McInerney is the first financier to publicly withdraw his support after Biden’s controversial round of comments, the loss is significant because it could be a harbinger of further defections.
“I would imagine I’m not alone,” said McInerney, who was a lead bundler for President Barack Obama in his first run for president. He helped Obama’s campaign raise at least $200,000 throughout that cycle, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
Damn, at this rate Biden is going to last less than Jeb!. If I were the donor class, I would easily put money into a Harris/Booker ticket. The appearance of change without actually having to change anything.
Wealthy donors are on the Anyone But Warren train.
I did not know this. Whats the story?
Mostly cause of her plans to change corporate tax impact and break up monopolies.
It is always funny when writing implies that a lot of effort on the part of a candidate is somehow distressing
"Oh my god! They spent a long time trying to gain the upper hand on an opponent... and they were planning to follow it up in a manner that made people more likely to vote for them? ... distressing if true. I prefer my candidates to just sort of lie down at the top of a hill and roll gently toward victory."
I think it usually is a self-serving argument to say contentious primaries are beneficial. But its very very early right now. In 10 months on April 30, 2020, we will almost certainly know who the nominee is going to be even if the people who don't support him or her don't want to admit it. We will actually almost certainly know by March 30 or even by March 4 but lets say its April 30 any rational doubt is gone. The primary has to be in part about on May 1, or whatever day it becomes clear who is the nominee, every candidate can rally their supporters to the nominee without appearing like a complete bullshitter or betrayer of what he or she had been saying.
So Kamala prefacing her attack on Biden with "I don't think you're a racist and I compliment your attempts to find common ground" (paraphrased) matters. But if Beto says Mayor Pete is a pseudo Nazi who eats babies every Tuesday, then that is not great.
I think most of the relevant candidates and their surrogates/supporters are going to do what is necessary and appropriate and hopefully the ones who won't don't stay relevant long.
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That’s a very bold position to take on the Israeli Palestinian situation. Wonder if it will have an impact on other candidates.
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It’s important to note that Sen. Cornyn already has a strong challenger in Texas, in the form of MJ Hegar, an Air Force veteran who also lost a close race in 2018 and whose campaign ad went viral because it was really good. We don’t necessarily need Beto to run for that seat.
Tim Ryan was on CNN this morning complaining about not being able to share his message because there were 10 people on stage and there was too much cross talk and interruptions from other people. He thinks their mics should have been cut to save time.
So now we have a candidate in the debate complaining about having his mic cut, and another candidate complaining about how there were no mics cut at all.
Aye. "Beto shouldn't run" ignores that Beto needs to keep his national profile up, and the way to do that is the primary.
And I would had bet that this thread gets early locked. 8 pages yet, but still.
The positions he needs to take to stay relevant in the Presidential primary are not those that will help him in a TX senate race
Beto is going to look like an ass if he pivots to running for Senate again. We have a popular candidate already running: MJ Hegar. If he jumps back in to try another senate run, it's going to look like he's pushing aside a strong (Air Force veteran) woman.
That’s a very bold position to take on the Israeli Palestinian situation. Wonder if it will have an impact on other candidates.
realistically bernie is probably the only one who can get away with it without being ilhan omared
Being Jewish will not protect him on this front. Probably make it worse, honestly.
Not really, it would already be presumed what his stance would be. The heat he would take is already been taken. Politically it is gaining the benefit, for heat he would already take.
I don't think he specifically needed to be running for Senate instead, I think he could do significantly more good being in any elected position in Texas. He could be helping a larger number of people as a city council member, shooting for President was a bad idea.
Sure seems like it. I wish he had focused on state-level office. Or even Mayor of El Paso or something. He built a great organization in Texas that helped flip some House seats blue, and a number of state offices flipped blue in 2018 as well. If he had kept that organization focused and engaged here in Texas, we might have been able to make some big changes for 2020.
I was an enthusiastic supporter of him in 2018; today he's barely top-10 for me in the primary.
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Sure seems like it. I wish he had focused on state-level office. Or even Mayor of El Paso or something. He built a great organization in Texas that helped flip some House seats blue, and a number of state offices flipped blue in 2018 as well. If he had kept that organization focused and engaged here in Texas, we might have been able to make some big changes for 2020.
I was an enthusiastic supporter of him in 2018; today he's barely top-10 for me in the primary.
Yeah, the biggest thing about his Senate run was all the help he gave the downticket races, like sweeping out all but one Republican judge in Houston for instance. He got otherwise disengaged Democratic voters in Texas to turn out. He could do the same thing again for another Senate run next year or governor or other big statewide office even if his run is ultimately futile again.
Unfortunately either no one told him that his job was to take one for the team/greater good or he forgot that was the point and now he's on some weird quixotic ego trip or something, burning all the goodwill he had garnered.
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Anyone outside of Biden, Warren, Sanders and Harris should probably quit at this point like if you're polling single figures post debate what exactly are you doing now.
It’s a good way to raise their profile and come out ahead. 538 did an article on it.
So yeah the field will likely be whittled down to 10-15 by December and 7 or 8 after Iowa. And 3 after March with the winner being obvious.
And I would had bet that this thread gets early locked. 8 pages yet, but still.
Eh I dunno we have a republican guy like this in washington state named Dino Rossi, he runs for a lot of different senate, governor, and I think recently a house seat, every time he loses its hilarious, but you lose often enough and people just think of you as a loser.
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Huge difference between getting in early in a primary, giving some speeches and doing a debate or two and then withdrawing from the race versus continually taking it to the end and losing. The only folks who are going to get damaged by this are folks who aren't really ready to have any kind of spotlight on them and fuck up in a debate or something.
The annoying bit of this whole thing is that candidates who are here to primarily build name recognition (and maybe lottery ticket style test the waters) can under no circumstance admit that they are doing that.
Damn, at this rate Biden is going to last less than Jeb!. If I were the donor class, I would easily put money into a Harris/Booker ticket. The appearance of change without actually having to change anything.
Wealthy donors are on the Anyone But Warren train.
"Like, just to use a completely made up hypothetical, if some guy running for president had come in here last week and done a little dance while yelling 'I'm Joe, I'm a pretty pretty princess,' it would have been totally fine. Nobody would be able to hold it against him, because that was acceptable way back then. I'm just saying, we should be understanding of this guy who, maybe this morning, also might have said something unflattering about the homosexual gentleman at the bakery."
You know, if I thought that the MSM was capable of being subtle, I would say that this is a pro-Harris article, if only because it only makes the "fuck Biden" voices louder.
It's probably an anecdote of a thing he literally saw. I've seen similar things myself.
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Is this supposed to make me think less of her somehow?
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But i am starting to like her just out of contrarines.
I'd say the Willie Horton add is pretty notorious. It's also pretty gross. It's also unbelievable fucking goddsdam wow racist.
Article from the 2018 midterm: This is the 30-year-old Willie Horton ad everybody is talking about today
The Republicans have been pulling this shit for decades and I 'm not surprised to see it happening in the Dem primary, let alone the general.
I did not know this. Whats the story?
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Mostly cause of her plans to change corporate tax impact and break up monopolies.
The positions he needs to take to stay relevant in the Presidential primary are not those that will help him in a TX senate race
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"Oh my god! They spent a long time trying to gain the upper hand on an opponent... and they were planning to follow it up in a manner that made people more likely to vote for them? ... distressing if true. I prefer my candidates to just sort of lie down at the top of a hill and roll gently toward victory."
I think it usually is a self-serving argument to say contentious primaries are beneficial. But its very very early right now. In 10 months on April 30, 2020, we will almost certainly know who the nominee is going to be even if the people who don't support him or her don't want to admit it. We will actually almost certainly know by March 30 or even by March 4 but lets say its April 30 any rational doubt is gone. The primary has to be in part about on May 1, or whatever day it becomes clear who is the nominee, every candidate can rally their supporters to the nominee without appearing like a complete bullshitter or betrayer of what he or she had been saying.
So Kamala prefacing her attack on Biden with "I don't think you're a racist and I compliment your attempts to find common ground" (paraphrased) matters. But if Beto says Mayor Pete is a pseudo Nazi who eats babies every Tuesday, then that is not great.
I think most of the relevant candidates and their surrogates/supporters are going to do what is necessary and appropriate and hopefully the ones who won't don't stay relevant long.
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/democrat-mj-hegar-will-challenge-senator-john-cornyn-in-2020.html
So now we have a candidate in the debate complaining about having his mic cut, and another candidate complaining about how there were no mics cut at all.
Being Jewish will not protect him on this front. Probably make it worse, honestly.
Beto is going to look like an ass if he pivots to running for Senate again. We have a popular candidate already running: MJ Hegar. If he jumps back in to try another senate run, it's going to look like he's pushing aside a strong (Air Force veteran) woman.
Whatever Beto had in the last Senate race, he's lost it.
Sure seems like it. I wish he had focused on state-level office. Or even Mayor of El Paso or something. He built a great organization in Texas that helped flip some House seats blue, and a number of state offices flipped blue in 2018 as well. If he had kept that organization focused and engaged here in Texas, we might have been able to make some big changes for 2020.
I was an enthusiastic supporter of him in 2018; today he's barely top-10 for me in the primary.
Yeah, the biggest thing about his Senate run was all the help he gave the downticket races, like sweeping out all but one Republican judge in Houston for instance. He got otherwise disengaged Democratic voters in Texas to turn out. He could do the same thing again for another Senate run next year or governor or other big statewide office even if his run is ultimately futile again.
Unfortunately either no one told him that his job was to take one for the team/greater good or he forgot that was the point and now he's on some weird quixotic ego trip or something, burning all the goodwill he had garnered.