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Penny Arcade - Comic - Ride Or Die

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Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    LieutenantDanLieutenantDan Registered User regular
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    "People are being stupid trying to be defense force for the fucking indefensible" has always been a common PA strip theme.

    It's just that now the indefensible is individual assholes, instead of, like, Sony.

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    InvertinInvertin Registered User regular
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    Only if you decide that this issue is politics which it isn't

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    All art is political

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    zeromhzeromh Registered User regular
    It's almost like Jerry didn't say this exactly one week ago:

    "...your politics consist of those things which you consider outside the realm of politics."

    Anyway. I probably wouldn't call this a political cartoon, but I don't care if it is?

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    Yeah. It’s sad that there are people defending his actions, contextualizing the act of condemning him for doing what he did into a partisan statement instead of common sense.

    But such is the world we live in.

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    I barely know this streamer, I haven't seen the offending video either, but from what I know he's in a bathroom and some kid is peeing in the background?

    I mean what an idiot for streaming in a bathroom which is illegal, but to go as far as calling him some pedophile? Or is there something I'm missing?

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    Jacob SingerJacob Singer Registered User regular
    How dare a comic strip be provocative or challenging! Just stick to the jokes, PA!

    And by "jokes", I mean only subjects that I personally find amusing and worthy of satire.Otherwise it's "political", especially if I disagree with it.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    I barely know this streamer, I haven't seen the offending video either, but from what I know he's in a bathroom and some kid is peeing in the background?

    I mean what an idiot for streaming in a bathroom which is illegal, but to go as far as calling him some pedophile? Or is there something I'm missing?

    They're not calling him a pedophile, just that he basically accidentally* produced something not entirely dissimilar to child pornography. Kind of like how teens sexting each other are not pedophiles, but they are doing something that is, unwise to say the least, and can sometimes get them hit with charges depending on what later happens with them.


    *Which is to say, extremely negligently at best. Repeatedly filming stuff in a public bathroom is colossally stupid.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    Oh you'd know if it was actually a political cartoon. It would be festooned with labels.

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    I barely know this streamer, I haven't seen the offending video either, but from what I know he's in a bathroom and some kid is peeing in the background?

    I mean what an idiot for streaming in a bathroom which is illegal, but to go as far as calling him some pedophile? Or is there something I'm missing?

    They're not calling him a pedophile, just that he basically accidentally* produced something not entirely dissimilar to child pornography. Kind of like how teens sexting each other are not pedophiles, but they are doing something that is, unwise to say the least, and can sometimes get them hit with charges depending on what later happens with them.


    *Which is to say, extremely negligently at best. Repeatedly filming stuff in a public bathroom is colossally stupid.

    I looked it up and yeah, 4 times it seems? And multiple people from his crew. I guess they're just really really dumb.

    But it really seems like they're really going after this because of "what about the childreeen". There's this viral video of some 3 year old kid pulling down his pants and peeing right next to a proposing couple, and it got shared millions of times. I just find the internet reacting to stuff just weird.

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    NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    I barely know this streamer, I haven't seen the offending video either, but from what I know he's in a bathroom and some kid is peeing in the background?

    I mean what an idiot for streaming in a bathroom which is illegal, but to go as far as calling him some pedophile? Or is there something I'm missing?

    They're not calling him a pedophile, just that he basically accidentally* produced something not entirely dissimilar to child pornography. Kind of like how teens sexting each other are not pedophiles, but they are doing something that is, unwise to say the least, and can sometimes get them hit with charges depending on what later happens with them.


    *Which is to say, extremely negligently at best. Repeatedly filming stuff in a public bathroom is colossally stupid.

    I looked it up and yeah, 4 times it seems? And multiple people from his crew. I guess they're just really really dumb.

    But it really seems like they're really going after this because of "what about the childreeen". There's this viral video of some 3 year old kid pulling down his pants and peeing right next to a proposing couple, and it got shared millions of times. I just find the internet reacting to stuff just weird.

    The difference is context.

    I mean... You can grasp the difference between some idiot barging into a bathroom four times while filming and someone else filming a proposal in a not bathroom where a kid with no awareness does his thing right?

    The common factor - a kid peeing - isn't the most important aspect here. Rather, it's the how, where, and why this was put on film.

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    SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    And I agree, I'm not excusing the guy at all, he's a complete moron that shouldn't have been filming in a public bathroom. I'm more on the line of people really going into the child pornography thing.

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    v2miccav2micca Registered User regular
    What Dr. Disrespect did was indefensible and absolutely deserves a lifetime ban. But conflating his actions with producing child pornography accomplishes nothing of value and reduces the discourse to a shrill diatribe.

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    NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    And I agree, I'm not excusing the guy at all, he's a complete moron that shouldn't have been filming in a public bathroom. I'm more on the line of people really going into the child pornography thing.

    I think it's more that this idiot unintentionally created something which that audience would enjoy. It's mostly a "What did you think you'd see in there?" critique.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    Yeah. It’s sad that there are people defending his actions, contextualizing the act of condemning him for doing what he did into a partisan statement instead of common sense.

    But such is the world we live in.
    I don't even feel any moral outrage over this but like, dumbass broke the law on their platform, so they gotta ban him. It's absurd that people would take issue with that.

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    dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    I'm just happy they did cool things with the background in the last two panels.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    Yeah. It’s sad that there are people defending his actions, contextualizing the act of condemning him for doing what he did into a partisan statement instead of common sense.

    But such is the world we live in.
    I don't even feel any moral outrage over this but like, dumbass broke the law on their platform, so they gotta ban him. It's absurd that people would take issue with that.

    It's because for a lot of people they can't put themselves into another's shoes.

    If it were people who support this clown, they'd be thrilled with the 5 minutes of fame that being recorded peeing brought them.

    To people who don't give a shit about this guy, someone just recorded them in the bathroom, potentially in a compromising way and a lot of people don't like their privacy invaded like that.

    The fact that people will come to their defense is baffling to me. If you change the aggressor to someone they don't like, suddenly it's the worst thing that's ever happened.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    cB557 wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Kinda sad how this is basically a political cartoon.

    Yeah. It’s sad that there are people defending his actions, contextualizing the act of condemning him for doing what he did into a partisan statement instead of common sense.

    But such is the world we live in.
    I don't even feel any moral outrage over this but like, dumbass broke the law on their platform, so they gotta ban him. It's absurd that people would take issue with that.

    It's because for a lot of people they can't put themselves into another's shoes.

    If it were people who support this clown, they'd be thrilled with the 5 minutes of fame that being recorded peeing brought them.

    To people who don't give a shit about this guy, someone just recorded them in the bathroom, potentially in a compromising way and a lot of people don't like their privacy invaded like that.

    The fact that people will come to their defense is baffling to me. If you change the aggressor to someone they don't like, suddenly it's the worst thing that's ever happened.

    Fandom of almost literally anything now is like sport teams, and if you are for something they can do no wrong, if you are against it everything they do is the worst thing ever. Though there isn't a whole lot of wiggle room in "went into a restroom 4 times recording people against their will". I mean its illegal, its unethical, and its just flat out dumb.

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    JacpaxJacpax AlaskaRegistered User new member
    Dr.Dis & Tom Green seem to share a similar penchant for impulsive shenanigans. Neither are funny but both have/had their respective following that eventually escalated into public stunts that hurt their careers and probably should've received a harsher punishment for their idiocracy.

    One films himself walking into a bathroom 4 times and out unscathed; a miracle he wasn't wearing his camera as a permanent fixture, lodged somewhere between his mouth and sinus cavity (new concept for next Terminator movie maybe?).

    Another films himself walking into a Synagogue, cosplaying as Hitler. Memory doesn't serve so well but methinks he did not exit post haste, unscathed.

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    LieutenantDanLieutenantDan Registered User regular
    Let me clarify my earlier comment: this cartoon is highly extensible to contemporary American politics.

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    T-DangerT-Danger Registered User regular
    This whole situation sounds like a particularly terrible episode of Law and Order SVU. Only its actually happening, which makes it even worse.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Well SVU would often take crimes "ripped from the headlines" so I could see this episode would be a game streamer streaming a bathroom a sexual assault was taking place in.

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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Let me clarify my earlier comment: this cartoon is highly extensible to contemporary American politics.

    How? I mean I am not a fan of Trump, but his crimes are less obvious than DrDisrespect behavior.

    I mean what part of don't take pictures of random people in a bathroom taking a piss and stream it on the internet without their express knowledge and consent is hard for people to understand? And I am not talking about legally, but basic human behavior.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Preacher wrote: »
    Well SVU would often take crimes "ripped from the headlines" so I could see this episode would be a game streamer streaming a bathroom a sexual assault was taking place in.

    Oh please God yes. I need to hear Ice T explaining this one to his coworkers.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Let me clarify my earlier comment: this cartoon is highly extensible to contemporary American politics.

    How? I mean I am not a fan of Trump, but his crimes are less obvious than DrDisrespect behavior.

    I mean what part of don't take pictures of random people in a bathroom taking a piss and stream it on the internet without their express knowledge and consent is hard for people to understand? And I am not talking about legally, but basic human behavior.

    I mean, we have actual concentration camps with children dying in them and people are trying to defend them.

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    MarcinMNMarcinMN Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Well SVU would often take crimes "ripped from the headlines" so I could see this episode would be a game streamer streaming a bathroom a sexual assault was taking place in.

    I actually recently saw an episode that was somewhat similar. Some dude had toilet cams going to record people peeing and then one of them happened to record an assault. But hey, that show has been going forever so of course they've done pretty much everything by now. lol

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    Cambiata wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Well SVU would often take crimes "ripped from the headlines" so I could see this episode would be a game streamer streaming a bathroom a sexual assault was taking place in.

    Oh please God yes. I need to hear Ice T explaining this one to his coworkers.

    Given how much people are defending this guy apparently, we need more. We need to make this a very special episode of SVU featuring a song from Body Count. Complete with music video where his guitarist is staring extremely angrily at the camera* while Ice T sings about how messed up this is

    *(This is a thing that happens in Body Count videos. He's like the angriest guitarist ever.)

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    MarcinMN wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Well SVU would often take crimes "ripped from the headlines" so I could see this episode would be a game streamer streaming a bathroom a sexual assault was taking place in.

    I actually recently saw an episode that was somewhat similar. Some dude had toilet cams going to record people peeing and then one of them happened to record an assault. But hey, that show has been going forever so of course they've done pretty much everything by now. lol

    SVU did it is the new simpsons did it

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    It's kind of funny but I heard a case with the grand jury recently (we decide whether to indict or not, we do not determine guilty or not guilty) where a guy put a hidden camera in a public bathroom of his workplace, and eventually his boss and coworkers found it. I don't know California law, but in the Texas penal code it's 100% a crime (and in Texas at least, a felony) to film in a bathroom without the consent of the people in that bathroom:

    https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-21-15.html
    (b) A person commits an offense if, without the other person's consent and with intent to invade the privacy of the other person, the person:

    (1) photographs or by videotape or other electronic means records, broadcasts, or transmits a visual image of an intimate area of another person if the other person has a reasonable expectation that the intimate area is not subject to public view;

    (2) photographs or by videotape or other electronic means records, broadcasts, or transmits a visual image of another in a bathroom or changing room ;

    As far as I'm aware, "it's just a joke, mang" isn't a successful defense in a US court.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    It is illegal in california outside of like a movie or tv show I believe.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    It's kind of funny but I heard a case with the grand jury recently (we decide whether to indict or not, we do not determine guilty or not guilty) where a guy put a hidden camera in a public bathroom of his workplace, and eventually his boss and coworkers found it.

    Side note I forgot to mention about this guy - though I'm working to keep the details low for legal reasons - but some of the stuff the police investigated about this guy after the camera was discovered was his porn history. Voyeur-type videos, including videos of people on the toilet, were at the top of his porn searches and history. So yeah, this type of thing is totally porn for some people. Not saying that DrDisrespect is one of those people, but that he inadvertently created video for those kinds of people, and he included a child in it.

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    Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    It's like if someone started driving on the wrong side of the road, because they thought it would be cool.

    Then they hit somebody.

    And they were like 'yeah, I hit them, but that was an accident. I wasn't trying to hit them.'

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Cambiata wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware, "it's just a joke, mang" isn't a successful defense in a US court.

    Sex offender laws are seriously shitty, and when a minor is involved things go straight up nuts. There are people who are effectively forced to live in the middle of nowhere and are borderline unemployable for less than what this guy did.

    Hell, a Catholic priest in Michigan just in the last month was literally *only* convicted for an accidental picture of a minor in a bathroom (taken from outside of a different subject) because his victim was over 18 when they actually did anything physical and juries have a hard time wrapping their head around the idea of grooming.


    What he did is, legally, serious fucking business and in so many cases the law overreaches beyond any fair and equitable punishment.

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    LieutenantDanLieutenantDan Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Let me clarify my earlier comment: this cartoon is highly extensible to contemporary American politics.

    How? I mean I am not a fan of Trump, but his crimes are less obvious than DrDisrespect behavior.

    I mean what part of don't take pictures of random people in a bathroom taking a piss and stream it on the internet without their express knowledge and consent is hard for people to understand? And I am not talking about legally, but basic human behavior.

    Man, if I really have to start listing the ways the government has been breaking basic rules of civility... ... Like, does your mom spoon your breakfast cereal into your mouth?

    I'm not even saying this to make a political point, it's blatant enough these days that it's like calling the sky blue. Just lamenting the general state of affairs.

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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Let me clarify my earlier comment: this cartoon is highly extensible to contemporary American politics.

    How? I mean I am not a fan of Trump, but his crimes are less obvious than DrDisrespect behavior.

    I mean what part of don't take pictures of random people in a bathroom taking a piss and stream it on the internet without their express knowledge and consent is hard for people to understand? And I am not talking about legally, but basic human behavior.

    Man, if I really have to start listing the ways the government has been breaking basic rules of civility... ... Like, does your mom spoon your breakfast cereal into your mouth?

    I'm not even saying this to make a political point, it's blatant enough these days that it's like calling the sky blue. Just lamenting the general state of affairs.

    This isn't a breach of civility, this a straight up breach of the law. Its not a violation of unspoken rules and norms, but a direct violation of the written code of law. Its taking pictures inside a public bathroom and then disseminating said pictures. DrD not only broke the law, he broadcast himself live actually breaking the law multiple times across the internet. WITH the broadcast itself being the point of the crime!

    Trump has committed a lot of breaches of what we consider the norms, he has undermined the rule of law with his public utterances, he has ignored long held established rules of how/what should/can do. He has yet to actually break the law on live camera. He has yet to do something like punching a report or smoke a crack pipe, where there is no ambiguity as to if he committed a crime or not.

    Seriously, DrD was way more stupid then Trump.

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    lol they won't ban him, he brings it too much money. he'll get a slap on the wrist.
    you know how many titty streamers have had ahhhh "wardrobe malfunctions" live streaming and just got a 2-3 day suspension?

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    jwalk wrote: »
    lol they won't ban him, he brings it too much money. he'll get a slap on the wrist.
    you know how many titty streamers have had ahhhh "wardrobe malfunctions" live streaming and just got a 2-3 day suspension?

    You're likely not wrong but the fact that illegally filming minors without their consent is being treated as the same gravitas as someone flashing their own camera in the privacy of their own home is kind of the opposite of punishment fitting the crime.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Yeah just going on my personal morality, porn by itself is fine, softcore or otherwise. Where it gets ugly is not that it's porn but that it's porn 1) without the consent of all parties and 2) involving a child. Those are both hugely bad things.

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    LieutenantDanLieutenantDan Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Seriously, DrD was way more stupid then Trump.

    Stupid, yes. If you haven't noticed, we're busy fabricating another war in the Middle East.

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