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Why is River a Terminator? Sarah Conner Chronicles
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc7mzoqHahU
New Fox show that tells us what happened between T2 and T3.
I don't know. I mean if they are robots attacking John and his mom all through this time,doesn't it make no sense that in T3 he would be surprised that Judgement Day wasn't stopped?
New Fox show that tells us what happened between T2 and T3.
I don't know. I mean if they are robots attacking John and his mom all through this time,doesn't it make no sense that in T3 he would be surprised that Judgement Day wasn't stopped?
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The franchise should have just stopped after the second movie.
edit: The acting in this appears to be fantastic.
At least in context with the movies it doesn't.
I'm pretty disappointed right now.
most of all, most of all
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and it worked for batman. the problem is, the new batman was better for a lot of reasons... but what the fuck do they know, they think people see a name, batman/terminator/whatever and just shut their brains down and buy the product. it's amazing how people in charge have absolutely no idea how their own business works.
I vote me and hacks run hollywood from here on out.
stop raping the Firefly cast.
They've cast Summer Glau, though? Not bad
Drive was excellent.
It might be interesting if the series didn't evolve time travel.
I was always under the impression the that time travel in the terminator verse only had a limitted number of "windows", ala Chrono Trigger. So there are only so many opprotunities for time travel.
This series sort of smacks in the face of that.
I liked T3. Awesome ending, fantastic character arc. Yes, it wasn't as dark as T2, but they call it "Judgement Day" for a reason.
The Terminator series is probably the best example I can think of for a trilogy, in the sense that it works great as both individual movies (unlike LOTR, Back to the Future, Star Wars, etc.), but even better as a collective whole (unlike, say... Indiana Jones.). Due to the time travel elements, you can pretty much watch the series in any order, and it would still make sense. You can start with John Conner finally embracing his destiny after trying to resist it, then watch the prequal where the machines respond by trying to off his mother.
T3 had awful writing, awful directing, poor attempts at humour, boring fight scenes, the plot didn't even make any god damn sense with them trying to force some sense of destiny onto the whole thing
T2 was far and away better in every regard.
UNTIL THEY CANCELED MAL.
The plot makes perfect sense. The problem is that the concept of "no fate" has often been grossly misinterpreted by fans, who refuse to listen to the qualifier.
In the script for the first movie, Kyle is trying to convince Sarah that she's the future mother of the future savior. Sarah rejects that destiny, insisting that she doesn't want it, because she doesn't want to deal with the responsibility. That's when the "No fate but what we make for ourselves, or our own free will" speech come in. In other words, Sarah Conner does not become Sarah Conner because it was pre-destined. She will become Sarah Conner because she will come to embrace her fate, and learn to force it, from her own free will.
How does the movie end? Does Sarah shout, "Fuck you, Kyle Reese, I'm going to go back to being a waitress to prove that there's no such thing as fate! Booya!" No, she does what she's supposed to do, by going to the desert to begin her journey as Sarah Conner. The ending confirms this:
REESE
John Connor gave me a picture of you once. I never knew why. It was very old. Torn. Faded. You were young, like you are now. You weren't smiling...just a little sad...I always wondered what you were thinking at that second.
And later...
SARAH
(continuing)
Should I tell you about your father? That's a tough one. Will it change your decision to send him here... knowing? But if you don't send Kyle, you could never be. God, you can go crazy thinking about all this. I suppose I'll tell you...I owe him that. And maybe it'll be enough if you know that in the few hours we had together we loved a lifetime's worth...
CLICK. WHIR. Sarah jumps at a sound nearby, breaking her reverie. A small MEXICAN BOY has snapped her picture with an instant camera.
In other words, Kyle came back to see her because he wanted to know what Sarah was thinking, and apparently the thing that Sarah was thinking about was how to insure that Kyle came back in time for her.
Terminator 3 does the same arc. Judgement Day occurs, not because it was pre-destined, but because humans made it happen of their own free will. John Conner refuses to accept his destiny as John Conner. But in doing so, he acts in his own free will to test the very skills that he will need to survive in the future. He finally accepts his position of John Conner, likewise, of his own free wil, rather than backing out and ignoring the radio transmissions entirely.
I liked it, but I figure people who were very much fans of T2 would hate it.
that being said, your dislike of the movie on a movie level (humor, writing, directing, acting) I definitely disagree with.
"Okay, the first one was a robot skeleton with skin. The other was a liquid shapeshifter... what else can we do... oh, right. BOOBS." Cue generic action movie.
I'm not having a go at the original or T2, they were fine and kind of made sense
It seemed T3 was banging on about fate, though, not free will. It seemed to be saying "well, in T2 you stopped Judgement Day, but destiny won't let you really stop it, and will manipulate events to make it happen." Actually, I think someone suggested as much in the film. That part when Connor's like "hey, I met you just before the events of T2, and I've met you now - FATE!".
Also, they changed the idea of Skynet. It's not an AI which becomes self aware, it's a computer program which is modified by a virus to become Skynet. And that makes less sense considering it's no longer a military system, and it's distributed amongst millions of computers which it proceeds to wipe out.
I could go on at length about what I didn't like, but I don't think I can be bothered. At best, it was a standard action film. Did I have a go at the acting? The Terminator was incredibly poorly done, they really got his character right in T2, in this they seemed to give him more character and made him more rubbish. The humour was downright childish, and it wasn't pulled off well. The directing was nothing special for most of the film, except for a couple of instances which were just bad. The action scenes were kind of dumb and uninspired, the driving bit with the truck was a poor version of the similar one in T2, the last big fight wasn't that bad. The villain wasn't as menacing, interesting or as well acted as the T1000. What else can I have a go at? Oh, the writing was dull
edit: and, yes, I'm comparing it to T2, because it's supposed to be a successor. If I'm not supposed to be allowed to compare them, then they shouldn't have used the name, and I wouldn't have bothered seeing it
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according to this article, at least
http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=mmnews2.setup&category=movies&topic=12&show_article=21
I dunno.
But Summer Glau? Woot.
How does that work out?
It also gives me a really bad feeling about Terminators 4-6... New IP owners, you know. Surely they are behind this Fox atrocity.
No it's not. The government creates a supercomputer and an AI and the AI's called Skynet and it goes crazy in exactly the same way, even though the events and the people behind those events are different, and both instances happen like 7 years apart.
I thought they already had Skynet in a sense, and the Skynet virus changed it. Maybe that was Future Shock
Still, the events of '97 were stopped, they never happened, Skynet is very unlikely to have existed without Miles Dyson and co. researching that processor and someone else programming Skynet
Marty McFly alters the radically alters the timeline of how his fathr and mother meet as well as their social standing, without also affecting the 1 in a trillion chance that the exact same sperm hits the exact same egg and still results in Marty McFly. Time Travel movies tend to require a bit of suspension of disbelief.
Why's that? Dyson wasn't the only person involved, and they were months from completion. Hell, he wasn't even high enough in the food chain to know where the chip came from.
But Back to the Future is excellent, T3 is awful. If T3 were excellent, I'd be saying "wow, that was excellent" rather than "here's a list of faults..."
The way they were talking, it'd cripple their project permanently. And things would change considerably, considering Skynet didn't nuke everything in '97 and everyone was still alive in '04 or whenever. Those seven years would change things a hell of a lot.
Plus, in T3, they said Skynet was an AI distributed across every PC on the planet. AIs need a lot of processing power, most of which would be snuffed out of existence when the nukes started dropping. It essentially killed itself
edit: Christ, I can't believe I'm arguing about this again
Well, John Conner was 10 years old at the time, so I'll forgive him for being mistaken.
The nukes would be designed to strike strategic targets while still leaving enough of itself intact to start rebuilding.
But there's just something.. wrong about this. You can change the actor for John Connor because he ages (and I understood why they couldn't get the original actor). But you cannot change the damn actor for Sarah. No way. Either leave her dead or get the original actor. Because only she can pull it off, damnit.
He was clearly supposed to be older. And it wasn't just him, it was the Terminator, Sarah, Dyson
Wiping out population centres, you mean. The general idea was that Skynet didn't like humanity, it liked itself. It was trying to wipe out humans, and it just happened to force them into concentration camps and get them to build factories. To build Terminators to kill humans
The Terminator is a machine. In the first movie, we see a T-800 walking into a 1980s corner gun shop and asking if he can buy a plasma rifle, so I'll understand if his ability to grasp time travel is a bit vague. Dyson is a guy who was basically doing what he was told. Maybe he planned to destroy the backups later on, but he never got to that, because he was dead. As for Sarah, she specially says that "the unknown future rolls toward us." In other words, she isn't certain, either way.
Better than guaranteed annihilation, at any rate.
I'm kinda-maybe a bit cautiously hoping it turns out good. Probably wont, since it's Fox.
You should all read the book and forget the movie.
In terms of the timeline, he was 10, in terms of how he was portrayed in the movie, he was older
Dyson didn't know everything, but he was dealing directly with the processor and arm, so it makes sense he'd have a good idea about how well their research was going. Without either of them, it'd hurt the project.
And even still, it's unlikely a project changed so radically would have the same outcome at entirely different times
He was a kid who was trying to cling to his father figure and who didn't want to grow up and assume his destiny. Hence, he was in a state of denial, and clinging to hope. If the T-800 told him, "Yeah, I was just kidding about judgement day, that really doesn't happen," I'm sure that John would be half inclined to believe him.
But he wasn't the only person who knew where it was going. That's the point.
I just always figured that's how they would continue the series, but they never mentioned it in the sequel.
But whoever was getting the fruit of his labours wasn't anywhere near ready to use the research for anything. It'd take them another 6 or 7 years to build Skynet, something which would require much more effort if they didn't have the source of their leap forward in technology
But...she wasn't in T3. I don't recall her at all.
There seems to be a lot of nakedness in this trailer for a tv show.
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