I honestly don’t see Trump giving that much of a shit if Kushner was involved in Khashoggi. At worst he throws Kushner under the bus, more likely they just go through the usual cycle and get to “he did it and it was awesome”. I don’t see him bothering to change policy because of it, sadly I think the truth is that Trump just thinks Ergogan is awesome and is easilly talked into things.
I mean “Turkey had blackmail material” would be a good explanation if Trump were a normal person but Trump is not a normal person. “Trump is a moron and a sociopath who wants to curry favor among dictators (so he can figure out their secrets to winning) and doesn’t give 2 shits about human life or America’s reputation” is a better fit for Trump.
Ousted Ukraine ambassador Yovanovitch says she was told to tweet praise of Trump to save her job
According to the transcript, Yovanovitch she asked Sondland for advice on how to handle an onslaught of criticism from conservative media and Donald Trump Jr.
"He said, 'You know, you need to go big or go home. You need to, you know, tweet out there that you support the president, and that all these are lies and everything else,'" she told the committees. "It was advice that I did not see how I could implement in my role as an ambassador, and as a Foreign Service officer."
The depressing thing is that this was probably good advice
Ousted Ukraine ambassador Yovanovitch says she was told to tweet praise of Trump to save her job
According to the transcript, Yovanovitch she asked Sondland for advice on how to handle an onslaught of criticism from conservative media and Donald Trump Jr.
"He said, 'You know, you need to go big or go home. You need to, you know, tweet out there that you support the president, and that all these are lies and everything else,'" she told the committees. "It was advice that I did not see how I could implement in my role as an ambassador, and as a Foreign Service officer."
The depressing thing is that this was probably good advice
Disgusting. This is the shit dictators do.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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A big piece of the puzzle just fell into place, and the picture that’s emerging is pretty fucking crazy.
So on the one hand, Trump is trying to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden for supposed corruption dating back to Biden trying to oust the Ukrainian Prosecutor Lutsenko (who was failing to go after corruption), and he’s using this unofficial backchannel to do it, featuring Giuliani and Giuliani’s “Fraud Guarantee” cohorts. The US Ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch is ousted, apparently for refusing to go along with the scheme. Now, through the SDNY investigation of the backchannel, we learn that the driving force behind Yovanovitch’s removal was... Lutsenko himself.
When approached by Giuliani and his associates, Parnas and Fruman, Lutsenko was facing an uncertain political future. The Giuliani team saw U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch as an obstacle to their objectives — digging up derogatory information on former vice president Biden and smoothing the way for a possible natural gas deal in Ukraine, former officials said.
"[Lutsenko's] incentive to help was to take out the ambassador," said a former senior diplomat with experience in the region. "He was angry at criticism from the U.S. embassy over the slow pace of reform in the justice sector."
A big piece of the puzzle just fell into place, and the picture that’s emerging is pretty fucking crazy.
So on the one hand, Trump is trying to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden for supposed corruption dating back to Biden trying to oust the Ukrainian Prosecutor Lutsenko (who was failing to go after corruption), and he’s using this unofficial backchannel to do it, featuring Giuliani and Giuliani’s “Fraud Guarantee” cohorts. The US Ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch is ousted, apparently for refusing to go along with the scheme. Now, through the SDNY investigation of the backchannel, we learn that the driving force behind Yovanovitch’s removal was... Lutsenko himself.
When approached by Giuliani and his associates, Parnas and Fruman, Lutsenko was facing an uncertain political future. The Giuliani team saw U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch as an obstacle to their objectives — digging up derogatory information on former vice president Biden and smoothing the way for a possible natural gas deal in Ukraine, former officials said.
"[Lutsenko's] incentive to help was to take out the ambassador," said a former senior diplomat with experience in the region. "He was angry at criticism from the U.S. embassy over the slow pace of reform in the justice sector."
I honestly don’t see Trump giving that much of a shit if Kushner was involved in Khashoggi. At worst he throws Kushner under the bus, more likely they just go through the usual cycle and get to “he did it and it was awesome”. I don’t see him bothering to change policy because of it, sadly I think the truth is that Trump just thinks Ergogan is awesome and is easilly talked into things.
I mean “Turkey had blackmail material” would be a good explanation if Trump were a normal person but Trump is not a normal person. “Trump is a moron and a sociopath who wants to curry favor among dictators (so he can figure out their secrets to winning) and doesn’t give 2 shits about human life or America’s reputation” is a better fit for Trump.
Except Jared is married to the one person Trump does actually give a shit about.
Another thing to note is why the hell did Lutsenko want Yovanovitch out to begin with? From her testimony all I can gather is that she insisted that information transfer from him (corrupt Ukrainian politician) to US officials had to be done through the FBI proper channels.
Another thing to note is why the hell did Lutsenko want Yovanovitch out to begin with? From her testimony all I can gather is that she insisted that information transfer from him (corrupt Ukrainian politician) to US officials had to be done through the FBI proper channels.
He was in ok the money laundering scheme is my guess
he's rudy's "source" on the biden stuff right?
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Fuuuuuuck I do not want fucking Trump at the football game I am going to
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Maybe this is the response his handlers want. Show conservatives how democrats lack civility and are ruining sports again. Vote Trump to make them go away.
Another thing to note is why the hell did Lutsenko want Yovanovitch out to begin with? From her testimony all I can gather is that she insisted that information transfer from him (corrupt Ukrainian politician) to US officials had to be done through the FBI proper channels.
He was in ok the money laundering scheme is my guess
he's rudy's "source" on the biden stuff right?
correct; it appears that Lutsenko was Giuliani's source for the Ukrainian conspiracies.
I'm wondering if Rudy was letting Trump in on the business dealings; if yes, that's another emoluments clause violation. if not, then I doubt Trump will be pleased that Guliani was trying to make a buck behind his back.
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Maybe this is the response his handlers want. Show conservatives how democrats lack civility and are ruining sports again. Vote Trump to make them go away.
Although, watching a newer clip taken from near Trump's entrance to the UFC stadium, its less a resounding boo compared to what the other viewpoint showed.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
A big piece of the puzzle just fell into place, and the picture that’s emerging is pretty fucking crazy.
So on the one hand, Trump is trying to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden for supposed corruption dating back to Biden trying to oust the Ukrainian Prosecutor Lutsenko (who was failing to go after corruption), and he’s using this unofficial backchannel to do it, featuring Giuliani and Giuliani’s “Fraud Guarantee” cohorts. The US Ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch is ousted, apparently for refusing to go along with the scheme. Now, through the SDNY investigation of the backchannel, we learn that the driving force behind Yovanovitch’s removal was... Lutsenko himself.
When approached by Giuliani and his associates, Parnas and Fruman, Lutsenko was facing an uncertain political future. The Giuliani team saw U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch as an obstacle to their objectives — digging up derogatory information on former vice president Biden and smoothing the way for a possible natural gas deal in Ukraine, former officials said.
"[Lutsenko's] incentive to help was to take out the ambassador," said a former senior diplomat with experience in the region. "He was angry at criticism from the U.S. embassy over the slow pace of reform in the justice sector."
I honestly don’t see Trump giving that much of a shit if Kushner was involved in Khashoggi. At worst he throws Kushner under the bus, more likely they just go through the usual cycle and get to “he did it and it was awesome”. I don’t see him bothering to change policy because of it, sadly I think the truth is that Trump just thinks Ergogan is awesome and is easilly talked into things.
I mean “Turkey had blackmail material” would be a good explanation if Trump were a normal person but Trump is not a normal person. “Trump is a moron and a sociopath who wants to curry favor among dictators (so he can figure out their secrets to winning) and doesn’t give 2 shits about human life or America’s reputation” is a better fit for Trump.
Except Jared is married to the one person Trump does actually give a shit about.
Ousted Ukraine ambassador Yovanovitch says she was told to tweet praise of Trump to save her job
According to the transcript, Yovanovitch she asked Sondland for advice on how to handle an onslaught of criticism from conservative media and Donald Trump Jr.
"He said, 'You know, you need to go big or go home. You need to, you know, tweet out there that you support the president, and that all these are lies and everything else,'" she told the committees. "It was advice that I did not see how I could implement in my role as an ambassador, and as a Foreign Service officer."
The depressing thing is that this was probably good advice
Sounds like a criminal violation of the Hatch Act (p sure it'd be the Hatch Act) to me!
It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, any employee of the Federal Government as defined in section 7322(1) of title 5, United States Code, to engage in, or not to engage in, any political activity, including, but not limited to, voting or refusing to vote for any candidate or measure in any election, making or refusing to make any political contribution, or working or refusing to work on behalf of any candidate. Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Fuuuuuuck I do not want fucking Trump at the football game I am going to
Jesus. He's really going to keep doing this until he gets the response he wants, isn't he?
That's not how this works. When they say they are preparing, it means they invited him and are preparing for it, Theres no notice on if he will show or not until 24 hours beforehand.
I'm not sure how much this really ties in, but if we assume that the United States returns to some sort of functional governance after Trump, how does the country deal with nations like Turkey and Saudi Arabia if the allegations around their behavior vis-a-vis Trump and Kushner are true.
You make examples of everyone who has made crooked deals with them while making it clear to them that fun time is over.
The problem with the Khashoggi/Kushner thing (aside from it being completely hearsay) is that the article implies the House Intelligence Committee knows about it already. So if the HIC knows and the only “leaks” are coming from “White House sources,” I say take it with a huuuuuuuuuge grain of salt.
Not that it can’t be true, but this isn’t even in the ballpark of proof. That said, if it is true and the HIC knows, we’ll find out during open hearings.
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The core of Giuliani’s involvement appears to revolve around his work with two businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who were arrested and charged last month with making improper U.S. campaign contributions. They had been looking to expand their energy business in Ukraine.
She testified that she was informed by an official in Ukraine that Giuliani and Lutsenko were planning to “do things, including to me.”
The businessmen, she came to understand, “needed a better ambassador” to facilitate their interests.
She was told Lutsenko “was looking to hurt me in the U.S.,” adding, “I couldn’t imagine what that was.”
Well, that would make me paranoid.
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Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators
Mr. Parnas could offer Congress a vein of information about a political pressure campaign in Ukraine.
An associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.
The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Mr. Trump was then representing Mr. Parnas.
But since then, Mr. Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter.
The lawyers also signaled on Monday that Mr. Parnas, who was arrested last month on campaign finance charges, is prepared to comply with a congressional subpoena for his documents and testimony.
The turnabout occurred after Mr. Trump denied knowing Mr. Parnas when he was arrested.
“Mr. Parnas was very upset by President Trump’s plainly false statement that he did not know him,” said Mr. Bondy, whose client has maintained that he has had extensive dealings with the president.
I hope he has tons of dirt.
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Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators
Mr. Parnas could offer Congress a vein of information about a political pressure campaign in Ukraine.
An associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.
The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Mr. Trump was then representing Mr. Parnas.
But since then, Mr. Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter.
The lawyers also signaled on Monday that Mr. Parnas, who was arrested last month on campaign finance charges, is prepared to comply with a congressional subpoena for his documents and testimony.
The turnabout occurred after Mr. Trump denied knowing Mr. Parnas when he was arrested.
“Mr. Parnas was very upset by President Trump’s plainly false statement that he did not know him,” said Mr. Bondy, whose client has maintained that he has had extensive dealings with the president.
I hope he has tons of dirt.
I actually remembered this, from when they were arrested.
Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators
Mr. Parnas could offer Congress a vein of information about a political pressure campaign in Ukraine.
An associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.
The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Mr. Trump was then representing Mr. Parnas.
But since then, Mr. Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter.
The lawyers also signaled on Monday that Mr. Parnas, who was arrested last month on campaign finance charges, is prepared to comply with a congressional subpoena for his documents and testimony.
The turnabout occurred after Mr. Trump denied knowing Mr. Parnas when he was arrested.
“Mr. Parnas was very upset by President Trump’s plainly false statement that he did not know him,” said Mr. Bondy, whose client has maintained that he has had extensive dealings with the president.
I hope he has tons of dirt.
If rudy was smart, he'd kick in the door to schiffs house and say something along the lines of "Ok, what do you wanna know? Russian dark money? Trump's 60 quid pro quo's? Why does he cry during sex? why his skin is a horrible shade of mandarin? Give me immunity right now and I'll tell you how it's all connected!"
Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators
Mr. Parnas could offer Congress a vein of information about a political pressure campaign in Ukraine.
An associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.
The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Mr. Trump was then representing Mr. Parnas.
But since then, Mr. Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter.
The lawyers also signaled on Monday that Mr. Parnas, who was arrested last month on campaign finance charges, is prepared to comply with a congressional subpoena for his documents and testimony.
The turnabout occurred after Mr. Trump denied knowing Mr. Parnas when he was arrested.
“Mr. Parnas was very upset by President Trump’s plainly false statement that he did not know him,” said Mr. Bondy, whose client has maintained that he has had extensive dealings with the president.
I hope he has tons of dirt.
If rudy was smart, he'd kick in the door to schiffs house and say something along the lines of "Ok, what do you wanna know? Russian dark money? Trump's 60 quid pro quo's? Why does he cry during sex? why his skin is a horrible shade of mandarin? Give me immunity right now and I'll tell you how it's all connected!"
Good luck putting that greased up Cryptkeeper on the stand and having a jury take him seriously.
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Not to give false hope or anything, but Parnas flipping because Trump claimed not to know him is similar to how Sammy the Bull turned on John Gotti after the feds played tape of Gotti ripping on him.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators
Mr. Parnas could offer Congress a vein of information about a political pressure campaign in Ukraine.
An associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.
The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Mr. Trump was then representing Mr. Parnas.
But since then, Mr. Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter.
The lawyers also signaled on Monday that Mr. Parnas, who was arrested last month on campaign finance charges, is prepared to comply with a congressional subpoena for his documents and testimony.
The turnabout occurred after Mr. Trump denied knowing Mr. Parnas when he was arrested.
“Mr. Parnas was very upset by President Trump’s plainly false statement that he did not know him,” said Mr. Bondy, whose client has maintained that he has had extensive dealings with the president.
I hope he has tons of dirt.
If rudy was smart, he'd kick in the door to schiffs house and say something along the lines of "Ok, what do you wanna know? Russian dark money? Trump's 60 quid pro quo's? Why does he cry during sex? why his skin is a horrible shade of mandarin? Give me immunity right now and I'll tell you how it's all connected!"
Rudy's a true believer. I seriously doubt he'll flip on Trump like Cohen did.
Rudy believes in Rudy, and people who believe in Rudy. Same as Trump does.
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Rudy's a true believer. I seriously doubt he'll flip on Trump like Cohen did.
He's not necessarily a believer. Rudy and Trump have a history of being at odds in the past but after "America's Mayor" became "America's Nothing" he hitched himself to the Trump train pull himself out of obscurity.
Rudy's a true believer. I seriously doubt he'll flip on Trump like Cohen did.
He's not necessarily a believer. Rudy and Trump have a history of being at odds in the past but after "America's Mayor" became "America's Nothing" he hitched himself to the Trump train pull himself out of obscurity.
Oh, they're both scumbag opportunists, don't get wrong. But Rudy strikes me as having boarded the crazy train and someone who huffs his own farts with delusions of greatness, and so wants to surround himself with big wigs to support his $230K a month lifestyle.
I keep thinking that there must be a rock bottom to Trump and his sychophant's behavior and they keep proving me wrong.
Intimidating a whistleblower against federal law is just one more thing that should be thrown on to the impeachment pile. Shit like this is what gets people murdered if it's followed through on.
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I mean “Turkey had blackmail material” would be a good explanation if Trump were a normal person but Trump is not a normal person. “Trump is a moron and a sociopath who wants to curry favor among dictators (so he can figure out their secrets to winning) and doesn’t give 2 shits about human life or America’s reputation” is a better fit for Trump.
Disgusting. This is the shit dictators do.
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So on the one hand, Trump is trying to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden for supposed corruption dating back to Biden trying to oust the Ukrainian Prosecutor Lutsenko (who was failing to go after corruption), and he’s using this unofficial backchannel to do it, featuring Giuliani and Giuliani’s “Fraud Guarantee” cohorts. The US Ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch is ousted, apparently for refusing to go along with the scheme. Now, through the SDNY investigation of the backchannel, we learn that the driving force behind Yovanovitch’s removal was... Lutsenko himself.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/lutsenko-unnamed-ukrainian-who-led-plot-oust-yovanovitch-says-official-n1065246
Lutsenko essentially used the unofficial backchannel to get Trump to fire Yovanovitch.
Christ, all the corruption just loops back upon itself. The projection of this administration is just unbelievable. (Actually, no. I can believe it.)
Except Jared is married to the one person Trump does actually give a shit about.
He was in ok the money laundering scheme is my guess
he's rudy's "source" on the biden stuff right?
Jesus. He's really going to keep doing this until he gets the response he wants, isn't he?
correct; it appears that Lutsenko was Giuliani's source for the Ukrainian conspiracies.
I'm wondering if Rudy was letting Trump in on the business dealings; if yes, that's another emoluments clause violation. if not, then I doubt Trump will be pleased that Guliani was trying to make a buck behind his back.
Although, watching a newer clip taken from near Trump's entrance to the UFC stadium, its less a resounding boo compared to what the other viewpoint showed.
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I thought he didn't have the thick skin for that.
If he wants to be cheered why doesn't he just wait for a game in some blood-red area?
This is LSU visiting Alabama, so...he did?
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Jared is married to Donald?
Sounds like a criminal violation of the Hatch Act (p sure it'd be the Hatch Act) to me!
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That's not how this works. When they say they are preparing, it means they invited him and are preparing for it, Theres no notice on if he will show or not until 24 hours beforehand.
You make examples of everyone who has made crooked deals with them while making it clear to them that fun time is over.
Not that it can’t be true, but this isn’t even in the ballpark of proof. That said, if it is true and the HIC knows, we’ll find out during open hearings.
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Alls I knows is I'mma gonna be booing his dumb ass as loudly as I can.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/nyregion/lev-parnas-giuliani-associate.html I hope he has tons of dirt.
I actually remembered this, from when they were arrested.
Good luck putting that greased up Cryptkeeper on the stand and having a jury take him seriously.
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Found the problem.
Because he keeps producing evidence of more crimes that he is actively committing.
Rudy believes in Rudy, and people who believe in Rudy. Same as Trump does.
Maybe his plan is to commit so many crimes that there's a buffer overflow and he's back to zero.
He's not necessarily a believer. Rudy and Trump have a history of being at odds in the past but after "America's Mayor" became "America's Nothing" he hitched himself to the Trump train pull himself out of obscurity.
Oh, they're both scumbag opportunists, don't get wrong. But Rudy strikes me as having boarded the crazy train and someone who huffs his own farts with delusions of greatness, and so wants to surround himself with big wigs to support his $230K a month lifestyle.
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The fever swamp has been abuzz that it's Eric Ciaramella for a week or so.
If you recognize that name, it's because the fever swamp has claimed that Ciaramella is behind the leak. Which leak? EVERY SINGLE LEAK SINCE THE START OF 2017. He's to the Deep State for them like Soros is to... well... you know.
https://www.salon.com/2017/07/11/donald-trumps-troll-army-is-attacking-civil-servants-who-they-view-as-a-threat/
Intimidating a whistleblower against federal law is just one more thing that should be thrown on to the impeachment pile. Shit like this is what gets people murdered if it's followed through on.