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Tulsi supporters don't care for any other Democrats because Tulsi is bombarding them with political spam about how the DNC is corrupt and only Tulsi can save them.
I mean, maybe
I kind of get the feeling that people who are paying enough attention to politics to know who the hell Tulsi is aren't particularly vulnerable to this kind of screeching though
I still find it silly after the last debate was find out about Tulsi Gabbard videos on youtube
See what she said at the debate and other viral things all posted by her channel. It doesn't work that way you just cannot make yourself viral people try and it doesn't work out the way they wanted
I still find it silly after the last debate was find out about Tulsi Gabbard videos on youtube
See what she said at the debate and other viral things all posted by her channel. It doesn't work that way you just cannot make yourself viral people try and it doesn't work out the way they wanted
That's assuming she's playing by sane people rules and she's basically Trump-lite so in her fever dream world that's exactly how it works and if it doesn't it's not your fault, it's a DNC conspiracy to keep you down.
I'm just glad she started running her mouth and is causing people to finally realize she's a certifiable nutjob cause she gave me the heebyjeebies when she first announced her run.
When a black student asked Sanders how he should handle getting pulled over by a police officer, Sanders responded "respect what they are doing so that you don't get shot in the back of the head."
"I would respect what they are doing so that you don't get shot in the back of the head, but I would also be very mindful of the fact that as a nation, we have got to hold police officers accountable for the actions that they commit," he said. "I would be very cautious if you were my son in terms of dealing with that police officer, but I would also defend my rights and know my rights and make sure if possible that police officer's camera is on what goes on."
Meanwhile, Biden got the point of the question and answered it correctly:
The question was later asked to former Vice President Joe Biden by a black female student.
"If you were my daughter, you'd be a Caucasian girl and you wouldn't be pulled over," Biden said. "That's what's wrong."
Sanders answer seems correct to me. Cops need to be treated like dangerous animals that you are extremely cautious around so they don't execute you. As well as him emphasizing body cameras and getting the officers name to use later.
Biden refused to answer the question but the point he made is still good.
My number one concern with any police interaction is to be alive at the end of it.
I got pulled over about six months ago for speeding and after I pulled over I turned the car off opened the window and stuck my hands outside in clear view. The trooper asked what I was doing and I told him I wanted him to know that I had nothing in my hands. I kept them out of the window the entire time.
the only thing i'd really criticize is using the word "respect" in that context. it's obvious he means "be as servile as possible so, if you're lucky, the racist ass cop doesn't get offended and decide to murder you" but it's easy to willfully misinterpret
Sanders answer seems correct to me. Cops need to be treated like dangerous animals that you are extremely cautious around so they don't execute you. As well as him emphasizing body cameras and getting the officers name to use later.
Biden refused to answer the question but the point he made is still good.
No, it wasn't. Remember, this was in response to a question being raised by a black student at a HBCU - that is, someone who has lived their entire life being given this exact advice to keep them safe. They aren't asking for the same old advice - they're asking "do you understand the problem with racism in law enforcement?" Which is why Biden got the question right - he grasped at what was actually being asked.
I am putting this here because the targets are actually at the primary contenders right now. And it is playing off different weaknesses and such.
Some said they were unnerved by the nature of the recent Instagram posts, which seemed to target battleground states and demonstrated a nuanced understanding of the dynamics at play in the 2020 Democratic primary. They appeared, for instance, to stoke African American resentment of former vice president Joe Biden while tapping into themes designed to undercut Sens. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Kamala D. Harris (Calif.), as well. The Russian network appeared to be relatively small and in an audience-building mode, analysts said.
“The Russians are repeating the same tactics they used during the 2016 election but only growing more strategic in identifying divides and capitalizing on those divides to create fault lines in society and distrust between people and institutions,” said Ali Soufan, a former longtime FBI agent who wrote a report in May for the Department of Homeland Security that warned, “To date, the United States has no national strategy to counter foreign influence.”
Make it worse no one is telling campaigns and we are 100% depending on Facebook/Google/tech companies to police it and the Feds have just stepped back from it.
Sanders answer seems correct to me. Cops need to be treated like dangerous animals that you are extremely cautious around so they don't execute you. As well as him emphasizing body cameras and getting the officers name to use later.
Biden refused to answer the question but the point he made is still good.
No, it wasn't. Remember, this was in response to a question being raised by a black student at a HBCU - that is, someone who has lived their entire life being given this exact advice to keep them safe. They aren't asking for the same old advice - they're asking "do you understand the problem with racism in law enforcement?" Which is why Biden got the question right - he grasped at what was actually being asked.
Yeah, if it had been a question in Flint Michigan about what Sanders would do to improve water quality, "Boil it and drink bottled water" would be the wrong answer. The questioner wanted to know what Sanders wanted to do about it.
When a black student asked Sanders how he should handle getting pulled over by a police officer, Sanders responded "respect what they are doing so that you don't get shot in the back of the head."
"I would respect what they are doing so that you don't get shot in the back of the head, but I would also be very mindful of the fact that as a nation, we have got to hold police officers accountable for the actions that they commit," he said. "I would be very cautious if you were my son in terms of dealing with that police officer, but I would also defend my rights and know my rights and make sure if possible that police officer's camera is on what goes on."
Meanwhile, Biden got the point of the question and answered it correctly:
The question was later asked to former Vice President Joe Biden by a black female student.
"If you were my daughter, you'd be a Caucasian girl and you wouldn't be pulled over," Biden said. "That's what's wrong."
You have to see the full context of the interview. Throughout the interview he uses some basic acab rhetoric and describes cops as routinely violent racists.
We can quibble about the word respect, but he clearly means it like how youre told to respect wild animals because they might maul you if youre not careful
An unfortunate phrase that will be capitalized on, as it already has. Would have been much better off without that phrasing.
Old white guy tells black youth to respect police so they don't get shot.
Not a good pull quote. Basically an unforced error.
Why is it an unforced error and not indicative of how he actually feels? That he actually recommends doing such things?
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Are we really moving forward with the belief that Sanders is some huge pro-police dude?
literally in a quote where he's talking about cops executing people
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It all comes down to optics. Sanders doesn't seem to mind when he gives short sound bytes that can be twisted against him. So of course people are going to capitalize on that.
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Are we really moving forward with the belief that Sanders is some huge pro-police dude?
No, I don’t think that’s what people are saying about this at all.
It’s not that Bernie is pro-police, just that his answer to the question was bad. His response was basically “behave and do exactly what they tell you so you don’t get murdered”, and it probably isn’t what the questioner was hoping to hear.
To be fair, her question was specifically about a traffic stop and how to survive, but Bernie probably should have gone broader and addressed the systemic problems within policing.
And the idea that we can pick on Warren for refusing to answer a dumb marriage question or not say "yes taxes will go up but it's ok because". Saying it looks bad for her..
But Sanders can say, what is and will be widely interpreted as, do what they say so they don't shoot ... and we cant call that out as a bad answer? Bull. Shit.
It was a badly phrased answer that looks bad in the media even though it doesn't represent his views.
I agree if you pull the sentence out of context it sounds bad. The solution is to not do that.
Like jesus, you even say he answered the question that was asked of him.
His answer was basically exactly what black parents across the country tell their kids to do.
It’s not just bad out of context, it’s just sort of bad overall. You seem to be completely skipping over the criticism that he failed to address the problems with law enforcement beyond saying “we should hold them accountable.”
His answer technically answers her question, but it only deals with a tiny fraction of the whole larger problem, and a presidential candidate should recognize that and address it more fully.
I agree if you pull the sentence out of context it sounds bad. The solution is to not do that.
Like jesus, you even say he answered the question that was asked of him.
His answer was basically exactly what black parents across the country tell their kids to do.
It’s not just bad out of context, it’s just sort of bad overall. You seem to be completely skipping over the criticism that he failed to address the problems with law enforcement beyond saying “we should hold them accountable.”
His answer technically answers her question, but it only deals with a tiny fraction of the whole larger problem, and a presidential candidate should recognize that and address it more fully.
This doesnt seem like at all a reasonable standard for criticism. Like do we really think candidates must every time theyre asked a question also expound on the entire policy issue as a whole, as complex and reaching as it may be? Sanders talked about related stuff throughout the interview. He talks about that stuff routinely.
His answer was basically exactly what black parents across the country tell their kids to do.
Those kids being the people that asked the question, because they are tired of that response and want to hear how he's going to change things so they don't have to fear the police.
I agree if you pull the sentence out of context it sounds bad. The solution is to not do that.
Like jesus, you even say he answered the question that was asked of him.
His answer was basically exactly what black parents across the country tell their kids to do.
It’s not just bad out of context, it’s just sort of bad overall. You seem to be completely skipping over the criticism that he failed to address the problems with law enforcement beyond saying “we should hold them accountable.”
His answer technically answers her question, but it only deals with a tiny fraction of the whole larger problem, and a presidential candidate should recognize that and address it more fully.
This doesnt seem like at all a reasonable standard for criticism. Like do we really think candidates must every time theyre asked a question also expound on the entire policy issue as a whole, as complex and reaching as it may be? Sanders talked about related stuff throughout the interview. He talks about that stuff routinely.
Do you honestly think that Bernie’s answer to that persons question was a) helpful to them at all, and b) not something they’ve already been told any number of times before?
You said it yourself, these are the things that African American parents already have to tell their children, I suspect that hearing the exact same solution coming from someone running for president might not be what they were hoping for.
I agree if you pull the sentence out of context it sounds bad. The solution is to not do that.
Like jesus, you even say he answered the question that was asked of him.
His answer was basically exactly what black parents across the country tell their kids to do.
It’s not just bad out of context, it’s just sort of bad overall. You seem to be completely skipping over the criticism that he failed to address the problems with law enforcement beyond saying “we should hold them accountable.”
His answer technically answers her question, but it only deals with a tiny fraction of the whole larger problem, and a presidential candidate should recognize that and address it more fully.
This doesnt seem like at all a reasonable standard for criticism. Like do we really think candidates must every time theyre asked a question also expound on the entire policy issue as a whole, as complex and reaching as it may be? Sanders talked about related stuff throughout the interview. He talks about that stuff routinely.
I would expect that a candidate seeking the Democratic nomination would realize that when an HBCU student is asking what advice they have about being pulled over, they are not looking to get the same advice they get from their parents, which continues to fail them. And it's things like this that lead people to question whether Sanders gets the problem, no matter how much he may talk about it.
Idk what youre looking for. He was asked a specific question and gave the correct answer. If you're a minority pulled over by the cops you should do everything you can to avoid appearing threatenjng because theyre racist bastards who will execute you for the least provocation. He says this.
He also has and does speak at length about policing and justice reform and touched on those topics as well during the interview, if you listen to more than a carefully selected soundbite.
I am putting this here because the targets are actually at the primary contenders right now. And it is playing off different weaknesses and such.
Some said they were unnerved by the nature of the recent Instagram posts, which seemed to target battleground states and demonstrated a nuanced understanding of the dynamics at play in the 2020 Democratic primary. They appeared, for instance, to stoke African American resentment of former vice president Joe Biden while tapping into themes designed to undercut Sens. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Kamala D. Harris (Calif.), as well. The Russian network appeared to be relatively small and in an audience-building mode, analysts said.
“The Russians are repeating the same tactics they used during the 2016 election but only growing more strategic in identifying divides and capitalizing on those divides to create fault lines in society and distrust between people and institutions,” said Ali Soufan, a former longtime FBI agent who wrote a report in May for the Department of Homeland Security that warned, “To date, the United States has no national strategy to counter foreign influence.”
Make it worse no one is telling campaigns and we are 100% depending on Facebook/Google/tech companies to police it and the Feds have just stepped back from it.
This seems a lot more important than quibbling over the semantics of a Sanders answer
Idk what youre looking for. He was asked a specific question and gave the correct answer. If you're a minority pulled over by the cops you should do everything you can to avoid appearing threatenjng because theyre racist bastards who will execute you for the least provocation. He says this.
He also has and does speak at length about policing and justice reform and touched on those topics as well during the interview, if you listen to more than a carefully selected soundbite.
and besides, if this is the standard we're going with then biden's answer is empty pablum because like, yeah no shit
Idk what youre looking for. He was asked a specific question and gave the correct answer. If you're a minority pulled over by the cops you should do everything you can to avoid appearing threatenjng because theyre racist bastards who will execute you for the least provocation. He says this.
He also has and does speak at length about policing and justice reform and touched on those topics as well during the interview, if you listen to more than a carefully selected soundbite.
and besides, if this is the standard we're going with then biden's answer is empty pablum because like, yeah no shit
I’m comfortable living in a world where we agree those were both bad answers overall. Joe gets to the heart of the matter in a more clear and concise manner though.
Idk what youre looking for. He was asked a specific question and gave the correct answer. If you're a minority pulled over by the cops you should do everything you can to avoid appearing threatenjng because theyre racist bastards who will execute you for the least provocation. He says this.
He also has and does speak at length about policing and justice reform and touched on those topics as well during the interview, if you listen to more than a carefully selected soundbite.
You keep dodging key context: this question was asked by a black HBCU student - the exact sort of person who has heard this "advice" over and over from their family and community, has seen how it continues to fail them because police will still abuse you even if you follow all the rules, and are asking the question because they want to know how the candidate is going to change things (which is why Biden got the question right.) When people talk about Sanders being tonedeaf, it's incidents like this that are pointed to, because it's not difficult to see what is actually being asked and respond accordingly - all it takes is being cognizant of the framing around the question.
I'm not impressed with Bidens answer either (I'm not impressed with Bidens anything) . It was fine as a snappy comeback that did shine a little light on the inequality, but it was still a bad answer.
Ah so it was a trick question sanders wasnt supposed to answer and instead talk about something else? Which he did outside of your soundbite?
This is a pretty amazing double standard though when even giving the correct answer as related by black parents for decades he's "tone deaf" almost like there's a narrative or something that must be maintained no matter how many square pegs are jammed into round holes.
Sanders needs to listen to black people wait no not like that.
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I mean, maybe
I kind of get the feeling that people who are paying enough attention to politics to know who the hell Tulsi is aren't particularly vulnerable to this kind of screeching though
See what she said at the debate and other viral things all posted by her channel. It doesn't work that way you just cannot make yourself viral people try and it doesn't work out the way they wanted
That's assuming she's playing by sane people rules and she's basically Trump-lite so in her fever dream world that's exactly how it works and if it doesn't it's not your fault, it's a DNC conspiracy to keep you down.
I'm just glad she started running her mouth and is causing people to finally realize she's a certifiable nutjob cause she gave me the heebyjeebies when she first announced her run.
Meanwhile, Biden got the point of the question and answered it correctly:
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Biden refused to answer the question but the point he made is still good.
Biden's answer is more a meta-level commentary on the context of the question itself.
Both seem fine to me, just different approaches.
I got pulled over about six months ago for speeding and after I pulled over I turned the car off opened the window and stuck my hands outside in clear view. The trooper asked what I was doing and I told him I wanted him to know that I had nothing in my hands. I kept them out of the window the entire time.
No, it wasn't. Remember, this was in response to a question being raised by a black student at a HBCU - that is, someone who has lived their entire life being given this exact advice to keep them safe. They aren't asking for the same old advice - they're asking "do you understand the problem with racism in law enforcement?" Which is why Biden got the question right - he grasped at what was actually being asked.
I am putting this here because the targets are actually at the primary contenders right now. And it is playing off different weaknesses and such.
Make it worse no one is telling campaigns and we are 100% depending on Facebook/Google/tech companies to police it and the Feds have just stepped back from it.
Yeah, if it had been a question in Flint Michigan about what Sanders would do to improve water quality, "Boil it and drink bottled water" would be the wrong answer. The questioner wanted to know what Sanders wanted to do about it.
You have to see the full context of the interview. Throughout the interview he uses some basic acab rhetoric and describes cops as routinely violent racists.
We can quibble about the word respect, but he clearly means it like how youre told to respect wild animals because they might maul you if youre not careful
Old white guy tells black youth to respect police so they don't get shot.
Not a good pull quote. Basically an unforced error.
Why is it an unforced error and not indicative of how he actually feels? That he actually recommends doing such things?
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literally in a quote where he's talking about cops executing people
No, I don’t think that’s what people are saying about this at all.
It’s not that Bernie is pro-police, just that his answer to the question was bad. His response was basically “behave and do exactly what they tell you so you don’t get murdered”, and it probably isn’t what the questioner was hoping to hear.
To be fair, her question was specifically about a traffic stop and how to survive, but Bernie probably should have gone broader and addressed the systemic problems within policing.
Like jesus, you even say he answered the question that was asked of him.
His answer was basically exactly what black parents across the country tell their kids to do.
And the idea that we can pick on Warren for refusing to answer a dumb marriage question or not say "yes taxes will go up but it's ok because". Saying it looks bad for her..
But Sanders can say, what is and will be widely interpreted as, do what they say so they don't shoot ... and we cant call that out as a bad answer? Bull. Shit.
It was a badly phrased answer that looks bad in the media even though it doesn't represent his views.
This is simple shit.
It’s not just bad out of context, it’s just sort of bad overall. You seem to be completely skipping over the criticism that he failed to address the problems with law enforcement beyond saying “we should hold them accountable.”
His answer technically answers her question, but it only deals with a tiny fraction of the whole larger problem, and a presidential candidate should recognize that and address it more fully.
This doesnt seem like at all a reasonable standard for criticism. Like do we really think candidates must every time theyre asked a question also expound on the entire policy issue as a whole, as complex and reaching as it may be? Sanders talked about related stuff throughout the interview. He talks about that stuff routinely.
Those kids being the people that asked the question, because they are tired of that response and want to hear how he's going to change things so they don't have to fear the police.
and then during a debate they unthinkingly referred to it as the final solution to the criminal problem
We'd all fucking facepalm because it's a dumb, unforced error.
Do you honestly think that Bernie’s answer to that persons question was a) helpful to them at all, and b) not something they’ve already been told any number of times before?
You said it yourself, these are the things that African American parents already have to tell their children, I suspect that hearing the exact same solution coming from someone running for president might not be what they were hoping for.
I would expect that a candidate seeking the Democratic nomination would realize that when an HBCU student is asking what advice they have about being pulled over, they are not looking to get the same advice they get from their parents, which continues to fail them. And it's things like this that lead people to question whether Sanders gets the problem, no matter how much he may talk about it.
He also has and does speak at length about policing and justice reform and touched on those topics as well during the interview, if you listen to more than a carefully selected soundbite.
This seems a lot more important than quibbling over the semantics of a Sanders answer
I’m comfortable living in a world where we agree those were both bad answers overall. Joe gets to the heart of the matter in a more clear and concise manner though.
You keep dodging key context: this question was asked by a black HBCU student - the exact sort of person who has heard this "advice" over and over from their family and community, has seen how it continues to fail them because police will still abuse you even if you follow all the rules, and are asking the question because they want to know how the candidate is going to change things (which is why Biden got the question right.) When people talk about Sanders being tonedeaf, it's incidents like this that are pointed to, because it's not difficult to see what is actually being asked and respond accordingly - all it takes is being cognizant of the framing around the question.
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Edit : wow...Harris....just. wow
This is a pretty amazing double standard though when even giving the correct answer as related by black parents for decades he's "tone deaf" almost like there's a narrative or something that must be maintained no matter how many square pegs are jammed into round holes.
Sanders needs to listen to black people wait no not like that.
Bernie probably knows this too, but he has to be able to communicate his understanding if he wants people to elect him to fix it.
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I will now move on to focus on how Harris answer was unfathomably bad. Like, holy cow. That's not bad optics, that's a legitimate TERRIBLE answer.
I didn’t say that he doesn’t. I said he need to be better at communicating it if he wants to be elected.
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