I'm mostly cool with heist movies and this show just let itself get up Harmon's ass about it. Like, the 1st half was fine (Why no call outs for new best one note character Truckula?) but after that it just kept rubbing our nose in the point like it was obedience training.
Also, how can it be the best episode of the season thus far when the previous week's episode was right there!?
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Doesn't look like there's any correlation to whether you like heist movies and whether you liked the episode.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Also I'm meh on this episode until the end. This is the absolute worst Rick has ever been. It reminds me of Bojack buying that call of duty game for Tod but at least Bojack felt guilt
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Also I'm meh on this episode until the end. This is the absolute worst Rick has ever been. It reminds me of Bojack buying that call of duty game for Tod but at least Bojack felt guilt
That and Bojack wasn't responsible for the deaths of millions in the process.
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I like to tell myself that everything, and I mean everything, was orchestrated by Rick. By that I mean Miles Knightly was never a real person - he's a false persona attached to a bio-robot produced by Rick as part of his charade. So were all the 'people' who died or were assimilated; all bio-robots produced by Rick to populate fake worlds. The characters in 'Knightly's' crew, their elaborate back-stories and abilities, all concocted as part of the scam to disillusion Morty. So meticulous, so choreographed. Oh yeah.
I think Dan Harmon's distaste for the heist genre is best exemplified in the part where Heist-o-tron is at the first alien planet, right after the giant hidden camera is placed and the alien news report is on. Heist-o-tron says 'Executing... heist,' and Harmon's contempt is so obvious in every nasally, obnoxious electronic syllable.
The heist genre typically has two main components: The heist itself, and the con game.
The heist itself is where the heroes have to overcome some sort of impossible security system, by breaking it down one piece at a time. The con game is where the heroes try to manipulate the villains psychologically. The old saying is that "You can't con an honest man." In other words, the way to out smart the villain is by baiting the villain into thinking that he's the one who's outsmarting you. To inspire overconfidence, hence the phrase "con." There's a lot of escapist value in that. The heavy use of flashbacks is simply meant to convey the idea of "things aren't always as they appear."
The heist genre is contrived when the main character is depicted as impossibly intelligence and unbeatable. But the irony is... that's exactly the premise of "Rick and Morty." Which is made blatantly obvious when the show reveals that the entire premise was a heist all along. So the irony might be intentional?
The other main problem is when the heist genre uses flashy editing to hide the fact that the underlying characters aren't very interesting. But that's true for every genre. You'll notice that Morty's pitch doesn't mention anything about the characters or their motivations. In the case of the con game, developing the villain is more important than developing the hero. Remember: You can't con an honest man, so there needs to be a sense that the mark is responsible for his own downfall, and that the heist is enacting karmic justice. In this episode, the Morty is the mark. But Rick isn't actually punishing Morty for being interested in heist movies. He's punishing Morty for having his own dream outside of Rick.
And to be really technical, not every heist movie involves a con game. For instance, the latest "Ocean's 8" movie is pretty much 95% heist, and only 5% con. Where as the show "Leverage" is mostly about 80% con and 20% heist.
I think Dan Harmon's distaste for the heist genre is best exemplified in the part where Heist-o-tron is at the first alien planet, right after the giant hidden camera is placed and the alien news report is on. Heist-o-tron says 'Executing... heist,' and Harmon's contempt is so obvious in every nasally, obnoxious electronic syllable.
I loved his delivery of that line. Probably just because I've listened to so much Harmontown (which is ending soon, unfortunately).
Also I'm meh on this episode until the end. This is the absolute worst Rick has ever been. It reminds me of Bojack buying that call of duty game for Tod but at least Bojack felt guilt
That and Bojack wasn't responsible for the deaths of millions in the process.
Well his choice of movie ad almost was
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Meanwhile, IRL... Not even a full day after the episode is broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQVGAeNXsDc
They set a fire to distract and disable security systems. ~$1B in national treasures. Not convoluted enough, try harder, heist-o-tron! :P
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I definitely enjoyed the episode and definitely see most heist movies as contrived, convoluted bullshit. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy them sometimes, but it usually comes down to whether or not the actors have good chemistry for the comedy. And the way the whole thing was just one massive sequence of convoluted bullshit was certainly the point, because that's what heist movies do; they throw viewer expectations in a direction, then flip-flop around on those expectations until the end. That's it's going to end up over-complicated is as inevitable as the fact that the heist is going to work, which are definitely irritating movie traits to me.
Also, I'm really wondering where people are getting the idea that Rick gives a shit about a planet getting wrecked so he doesn't have to deal with his sidekick making a heist movie. Literally the only reason Rick doesn't kill Jerry is because Beth is with him and Rick needs Morty's family to be not-miserable enough to go on adventures with him. This is the same guy that destroyed the galactic federation and hundreds or thousands of versions of himself and Morty, just to get the Council of Ricks off his back and escape prison. He condemned a whole version of Earth, possibly his own Earth, to horrific mutation and death because he couldn't be bothered to check if there was a flu going around. He not only took both his grandkids to a murderpocalypse version of Earth, he actively facilitated his grandaughter murdering her way to a therapeutic outcome.
That probably isn't even the hundredth planet that has been destroyed from something Rick did. He's an uncaring monstrous demigod, the whole point of his character is to be a reverse Doctor Who.
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Next ep isn't for another week and a half so here's a fun thing I just rediscovered, my favorite deleted scene, yea!
This episode was fun. I laughed a lot. I get how if it didn’t work for you it really wouldn’t work since it was pretty one note.
And I agree that it felt like a community episode more than R&M but I really like community so..
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Also the best heist movie is The Sting and it's not even close.
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I definitely enjoyed the episode and definitely see most heist movies as contrived, convoluted bullshit. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy them sometimes, but it usually comes down to whether or not the actors have good chemistry for the comedy. And the way the whole thing was just one massive sequence of convoluted bullshit was certainly the point, because that's what heist movies do; they throw viewer expectations in a direction, then flip-flop around on those expectations until the end. That's it's going to end up over-complicated is as inevitable as the fact that the heist is going to work, which are definitely irritating movie traits to me.
Also, I'm really wondering where people are getting the idea that Rick gives a shit about a planet getting wrecked so he doesn't have to deal with his sidekick making a heist movie. Literally the only reason Rick doesn't kill Jerry is because Beth is with him and Rick needs Morty's family to be not-miserable enough to go on adventures with him. This is the same guy that destroyed the galactic federation and hundreds or thousands of versions of himself and Morty, just to get the Council of Ricks off his back and escape prison. He condemned a whole version of Earth, possibly his own Earth, to horrific mutation and death because he couldn't be bothered to check if there was a flu going around. He not only took both his grandkids to a murderpocalypse version of Earth, he actively facilitated his grandaughter murdering her way to a therapeutic outcome.
That probably isn't even the hundredth planet that has been destroyed from something Rick did. He's an uncaring monstrous demigod, the whole point of his character is to be a reverse Doctor Who.
In the superhero one he is very judgemental about them wiping out a planet instead of just calling him. I don't think that he completely intended what Hesitbot did
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Also he says right away when the heist infected folks tear apart that first dude that he didn’t mean for that to happen so that’s not on him.
At the very least the show seems aware that this episode has a lot of casualties and has Rick absolve himself of them right off the bat
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I’m starting to feel like with this season they’re attempting to write something that will be more popular in a few years? I don’t know, that really doesn’t make any sense given how popular Rick and Morty already is, but...every episode so far has been like, “catch up, we’re not slowing down for you” in a really aggressively paced way.
It’s almost like being surprised by a stranger who starts arguing, and you think they’re arguing with you but three minutes in you realize they’re just arguing through you at something in the void on they can see and hear. Also, you’re both on the bus. 22 minutes later the stranger reaches his stop, and calmly leaves.
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Two moments I liked was the very first scene with the Nihilist Arby’s joke and later the lab coat rip off of Dr Strange. They were just gags, but I got a good chuckle in.
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This season definitely seems... less accessible, I guess? Like, if you're not a fan already, this season seems pretty dense with in-jokes and seems to just assume you're familiar with its shtick, more so than previous seasons.
This doesn't bother me in the slightest, since I'm a fan and I appreciate the meta elements.
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Rewatching some earlier episodes, Rick's stumbling speech and burping seems to have completely gone away at this point, huh?
Oh brilliant
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Which is a complete improvement to me because it's so prevalent in the first season that it's a consistent irritation. Just ends up stalling way too many lines for something that is rarely in and of itself an amusing thing.
It could also be intentional beyond just reducing something irritating, as Rick could becoming less of an alcoholic the longer he's around his family.
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Just realized the goop stains on his mouth are gone too. Huh! That's most definitely an intentional change.
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I skipped through the most recent episodes, it seems like the drool is gone by default, but reappears if Rick yells or gets obviously drunk, as opposed to being a permanent feature in season 1
Rewatching some earlier episodes, Rick's stumbling speech and burping seems to have completely gone away at this point, huh?
You could argue its a sign of minor progress and he's drinking less
When the series first started, Beth says Rick had just come back into their lives after being gone for years. Presumably something bad happened to him just prior to this (separate from his wife dying) which exacerbated Rick’s self destructive behavior. Being with his family, toxic as Rick’s relationship with them is, probably is helping him even if he doesn’t know or want it.
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I actually miss stuttering Rick. The burping not so much.
I skipped through the most recent episodes, it seems like the drool is gone by default, but reappears if Rick yells or gets obviously drunk, as opposed to being a permanent feature in season 1
I always thought it was the indicator of who the real Rick (our Rick) was.
When he's zapping in and out of different Ricks in that one episode, the drool follows our Rick.
So no new Rick and Morty this week.
I'm curious as to why they do stuff like this.
I mean all the episodes are done, right? So why just a seemingly random "No episode this week"?
So no new Rick and Morty this week.
I'm curious as to why they do stuff like this.
I mean all the episodes are done, right? So why just a seemingly random "No episode this week"?
Holiday weekend?
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Also, how can it be the best episode of the season thus far when the previous week's episode was right there!?
Oh, I hope so.
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That and Bojack wasn't responsible for the deaths of millions in the process.
I think Dan Harmon's distaste for the heist genre is best exemplified in the part where Heist-o-tron is at the first alien planet, right after the giant hidden camera is placed and the alien news report is on. Heist-o-tron says 'Executing... heist,' and Harmon's contempt is so obvious in every nasally, obnoxious electronic syllable.
The heist itself is where the heroes have to overcome some sort of impossible security system, by breaking it down one piece at a time. The con game is where the heroes try to manipulate the villains psychologically. The old saying is that "You can't con an honest man." In other words, the way to out smart the villain is by baiting the villain into thinking that he's the one who's outsmarting you. To inspire overconfidence, hence the phrase "con." There's a lot of escapist value in that. The heavy use of flashbacks is simply meant to convey the idea of "things aren't always as they appear."
The heist genre is contrived when the main character is depicted as impossibly intelligence and unbeatable. But the irony is... that's exactly the premise of "Rick and Morty." Which is made blatantly obvious when the show reveals that the entire premise was a heist all along. So the irony might be intentional?
The other main problem is when the heist genre uses flashy editing to hide the fact that the underlying characters aren't very interesting. But that's true for every genre. You'll notice that Morty's pitch doesn't mention anything about the characters or their motivations. In the case of the con game, developing the villain is more important than developing the hero. Remember: You can't con an honest man, so there needs to be a sense that the mark is responsible for his own downfall, and that the heist is enacting karmic justice. In this episode, the Morty is the mark. But Rick isn't actually punishing Morty for being interested in heist movies. He's punishing Morty for having his own dream outside of Rick.
And to be really technical, not every heist movie involves a con game. For instance, the latest "Ocean's 8" movie is pretty much 95% heist, and only 5% con. Where as the show "Leverage" is mostly about 80% con and 20% heist.
I loved his delivery of that line. Probably just because I've listened to so much Harmontown (which is ending soon, unfortunately).
Well his choice of movie ad almost was
They set a fire to distract and disable security systems. ~$1B in national treasures. Not convoluted enough, try harder, heist-o-tron! :P
Also, I'm really wondering where people are getting the idea that Rick gives a shit about a planet getting wrecked so he doesn't have to deal with his sidekick making a heist movie. Literally the only reason Rick doesn't kill Jerry is because Beth is with him and Rick needs Morty's family to be not-miserable enough to go on adventures with him. This is the same guy that destroyed the galactic federation and hundreds or thousands of versions of himself and Morty, just to get the Council of Ricks off his back and escape prison. He condemned a whole version of Earth, possibly his own Earth, to horrific mutation and death because he couldn't be bothered to check if there was a flu going around. He not only took both his grandkids to a murderpocalypse version of Earth, he actively facilitated his grandaughter murdering her way to a therapeutic outcome.
That probably isn't even the hundredth planet that has been destroyed from something Rick did. He's an uncaring monstrous demigod, the whole point of his character is to be a reverse Doctor Who.
And I agree that it felt like a community episode more than R&M but I really like community so..
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was Dan Harmon on Dead Alewives?
In the superhero one he is very judgemental about them wiping out a planet instead of just calling him. I don't think that he completely intended what Hesitbot did
At the very least the show seems aware that this episode has a lot of casualties and has Rick absolve himself of them right off the bat
It’s almost like being surprised by a stranger who starts arguing, and you think they’re arguing with you but three minutes in you realize they’re just arguing through you at something in the void on they can see and hear. Also, you’re both on the bus. 22 minutes later the stranger reaches his stop, and calmly leaves.
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This doesn't bother me in the slightest, since I'm a fan and I appreciate the meta elements.
It could also be intentional beyond just reducing something irritating, as Rick could becoming less of an alcoholic the longer he's around his family.
You could argue its a sign of minor progress and he's drinking less
Yeah Roiland has been critical of his Rick performance from the start
They're there in s4e1 but I don't always notice them
When the series first started, Beth says Rick had just come back into their lives after being gone for years. Presumably something bad happened to him just prior to this (separate from his wife dying) which exacerbated Rick’s self destructive behavior. Being with his family, toxic as Rick’s relationship with them is, probably is helping him even if he doesn’t know or want it.
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I always thought it was the indicator of who the real Rick (our Rick) was.
When he's zapping in and out of different Ricks in that one episode, the drool follows our Rick.
I'm curious as to why they do stuff like this.
I mean all the episodes are done, right? So why just a seemingly random "No episode this week"?
Holiday weekend?
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