It all seems a bit moot if millions of us have to go into work, presumably with each other.
Oh well, at least I'll get my exercise walking in, for now. Until work activity is relocated to the 'disaster recovery' site, conveniently situated 12 miles from where I live (bus journey into the town centre, bus journey out to the other side of town. Then the same again on the way back)
Well we're only meant to be travelling for 'essential work' right now so if that gets some actual definition and enforcement that should cut things down a lot.
They won't though, because they're doing everything possible to have to actually pay out any compensation or wage support.
This is going to be a little crass but maybe because I'm already under lockdown. It is pretty simple. You stay inside. The police fine you if you aren't following the rules. We got literally the same instructions with few hiccups. There will be Corona parties that need to be broken up. But you all will figure it out too. ♥️
I'm curious how exercise is defined. Can I take Burpette out for a bike ride? How about to the park to run about?
I kind of imagine cops aren't going to pester people who are outside if they're clearly with just family and keeping distance from others.
Like I intend to keep going to my allotment and I would assume that is fine because I'm not with anyone.
Yeah I am going to continue to go to the artificial boulder near where I live cos there's never anyone there and I go alone
Or, consider:
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I wonder what happens if someone's in the middle of having, like, their kitchen or bathroom redone. Now the builders won't be allowed back to finish the job, presumably?
I'm really surprised that there isn't detailed guidance ready to go. That seems pretty basic.
Twitter is exploding right now with different people claiming different interpretations of the detail.
In particular, there doesn't seem to be a definition of essential retail
No guidance on what happens where parents have kids but live apart
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Just yesterday saw an article about the NHS saying they still needed people to donate blood, and that they'd seen a drop in donations in the last couple of weeks. Will going to a blood donation count as essential I wonder? Lot of people will be pretty fucked if everyone stops donating.
I would have thought essential retail are places selling either groceries or pharmacies, and that's pretty much it.
I was told today I'd be working from home for the next 2 weeks so that's nicely timed I suppose. Just hope I don't get randomly stopped tomorrow; one more day i promise guv!
I've seen more expansive lists of shops remaining opened posted online but several different versions, none pointing to an authoritative source
Edit: e.g. a person whose family runs a corner shop. Is that essential retail? Should they be remaining open? They stock from a cash and carry, should they be continuing to do that?
This is going to be a little crass but maybe because I'm already under lockdown. It is pretty simple. You stay inside. The police fine you if you aren't following the rules. We got literally the same instructions with few hiccups. There will be Corona parties that need to be broken up. But you all will figure it out too. ♥️
To be fair, we got here over about two weeks, right? For the Brits it’s all happening in an instant.
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I've seen more expansive lists of shops remaining opened posted online but several different versions, none pointing to an authoritative source
Edit: e.g. a person whose family runs a corner shop. Is that essential retail? Should they be remaining open? They stock from a cash and carry, should they be continuing to do that?
Hardware shops? Unless people are just meant to let their homes fall into disrepair if something breaks. Also pet supply shops? There are probably a bunch of things that can be considered essential. Do we have Gamestops in this country, because obviously they count.
Also are retailers still allowed to do online orders and deliveries even if they're otherwise considered non-essential?
So I either go early in the morning or late at night when I have to go outside. Like before 8 oclock when I need to go grocery shopping because there is fewer people around then. I also only buy food that has been packaged, so its easier to clean once I get home. And you better believe I clean it with soap. Not joking. I am not spending my time locked down, just to get sick because somebody coughed on my tv dinner.
When it comes to walking for exercise, I time to after dark. That way all the kids are inside, most people are back from work and watching TV. No traffic, only a few people walking dogs. Even then its 4-5 meters when I meet somebody going the opposite way. That 2 meter rule is a minimum, not a maximum and if I got room. Like last night I saw a guy walking down the sidewalk I had to walk, I crossed the road to avoid him like he was black and I was a middle aged white lady. I am not talking to him anyways. It doesn't hurt either me or him. So why not go the extra mile?
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
This is going to be a little crass but maybe because I'm already under lockdown. It is pretty simple. You stay inside. The police fine you if you aren't following the rules. We got literally the same instructions with few hiccups. There will be Corona parties that need to be broken up. But you all will figure it out too. ♥️
To be fair, we got here over about two weeks, right? For the Brits it’s all happening in an instant.
As with most things this government has done recently, this announcement on the surface seems great but is sorely lacking in practical details.
To be fair (a phrase I never thought I'd use for Boris) the practical details are so complicated they could take weeks to figure out, and they know they don't have that much time to do it.
They know this is going to be horribly complicated and they don't have all the angles figured out, but figuring it out as we go is the only way it's going to actually get done at all.
My next door neighbour is a veterinary nurse. Her work WhatsApp group has apparently exploded, no-one knows what's going on or how "essential" they are (you know, officially). Thankfully she's got the next couple of days off for it to get figured out. Also she got us a bunch of groceries today. This lady is basically a saint.
I wonder what happens if someone's in the middle of having, like, their kitchen or bathroom redone. Now the builders won't be allowed back to finish the job, presumably?
I mean, we're halfway through leaving the country. The movers are coming in two weeks. Well, maybe now none of them are. Or maybe one is? I shall have to ask them. And assuming they are coming, my wife has to get to the airport, to get on a flight to Canada. Is that essential? I think so, but who knows. If the movers have come and gone, she won't have anywhere to sleep. If we can argue that repatriation flights are essential travel, can he get a lift to the airport from a friend? Or take a taxi? Will taxi's even be running? Will the repat flights even show up?
My next door neighbour is a veterinary nurse. Her work WhatsApp group has apparently exploded, no-one knows what's going on or how "essential" they are (you know, officially). Thankfully she's got the next couple of days off for it to get figured out. Also she got us a bunch of groceries today. This lady is basically a saint.
I'm really surprised that there isn't detailed guidance ready to go. That seems pretty basic.
Twitter is exploding right now with different people claiming different interpretations of the detail.
In particular, there doesn't seem to be a definition of essential retail
No guidance on what happens where parents have kids but live apart
Working out how to implement a lot of these things will take days, going into weeks of work. We're definitely in a "announce what must happen, then Government must work out practicalities" type of policymaking.
I don't see how that stops panic buyers who deem 10000 rolls of toilet paper essential shopping.
In NZ we had a lockdown announced with 48 hours notice, taking affect tonight. Still had queues for supermarkets wrapping around street blocks, despite the messaging being very explicit that essential services including supermarkets will remain open throughout.
Thanks. He's decided to close up for the lockdown anyway; he's been really stressed about the health of his staff since the virus started spreading in the UK.
I don't see how that stops panic buyers who deem 10000 rolls of toilet paper essential shopping.
In NZ we had a lockdown announced with 48 hours notice, taking affect tonight. Still had queues for supermarkets wrapping around street blocks, despite the messaging being very explicit that essential services including supermarkets will remain open throughout.
Some people just cannot behave rationally.
Globally the trend is country leaders saying "We will not be doing this" and 2 weeks later saying "Actually, we will be doing this".
It's not the fact that they're not listening to the messaging, it's just they're aware the messaging can change on extremely short notice. Last week, Boris was assuring everyone that pubs were allowed to remain open - now they're not. This week, supermarkets are allowed to remain open - people are saying "is that still going to be true next week?"
It's the price bullshitters in chief are paying for trying to put a positive spin on everything. Now they've had to walk almost everything back, people REALLY don't believe them at a time they should. Jacinda in NZ has been refreshingly honest and direct in contrast with other leaders, but the fact that Level 4 pandemic pretty much didn't even exist in public consciousness a week ago has people thinking "They've been telling us restrictions will get more severe - what if next week there's a Level 5?"
Um, well fuck. I'm due to exchange / complete on a new house tomorrow, move next week, have handed in my 1-month notice on my flat, and now I'm pretty sure it's illegal for me to, you know, actually move? That's if I can find a removal company who will even do it.
It all seems a bit moot if millions of us have to go into work, presumably with each other.
Oh well, at least I'll get my exercise walking in, for now. Until work activity is relocated to the 'disaster recovery' site, conveniently situated 12 miles from where I live (bus journey into the town centre, bus journey out to the other side of town. Then the same again on the way back)
I think the point is that you're not allowed to go into work at all, unless your job is considered essential...
Um, well fuck. I'm due to exchange / complete on a new house tomorrow, move next week, have handed in my 1-month notice on my flat, and now I'm pretty sure it's illegal for me to, you know, actually move? That's if I can find a removal company who will even do it.
You and me both mate.
I have no advice for you right now, I need to call our movers in the (Canadian) morning and see if they’re still coming to ship our stuff from the UK.
If it’s a small move you might be OK if they send one person, or possibly they send two and you go out for an hour while they pack up your stuff. But honestly don’t know.
Will update you if I hear from my movers before you hear from yours; if you don’t have any booked, you can ring round. I suspect some will say they’re key workers for transit (moving freight essentially) so stay open. But yeah.
ETA: Also, not going to lie @Jazz , I am not having a great day right now.
I don't see how that stops panic buyers who deem 10000 rolls of toilet paper essential shopping.
In NZ we had a lockdown announced with 48 hours notice, taking affect tonight. Still had queues for supermarkets wrapping around street blocks, despite the messaging being very explicit that essential services including supermarkets will remain open throughout.
Some people just cannot behave rationally.
Globally the trend is country leaders saying "We will not be doing this" and 2 weeks later saying "Actually, we will be doing this".
It's not the fact that they're not listening to the messaging, it's just they're aware the messaging can change on extremely short notice. Last week, Boris was assuring everyone that pubs were allowed to remain open - now they're not. This week, supermarkets are allowed to remain open - people are saying "is that still going to be true next week?"
It's the price bullshitters in chief are paying for trying to put a positive spin on everything. Now they've had to walk almost everything back, people REALLY don't believe them at a time they should. Jacinda in NZ has been refreshingly honest and direct in contrast with other leaders, but the fact that Level 4 pandemic pretty much didn't even exist in public consciousness a week ago has people thinking "They've been telling us restrictions will get more severe - what if next week there's a Level 5?"
This is all true but still, common fucking sense should tell you they're not going to close the supermarkets because, you know, starvation and food riots would kill more people than Covid-19. Cutting off peoples access to food isn't an option regardless of the infection risk.
Also continuing the theme of "no one has advised us how this is supposed to work", I'm on universal credit ATM because I'm looking for work. I'm obliged to be sending out applications and attending interviews otherwise I don't get paid. The DWP haven't given me any advice on whether that requirement has been suspended or not. I'm having to just take it as a given considering 80% of all workplaces are now closed, the prime minister has just told us all we'll be arrested for leaving the house and I'm currently having to look after (as in run all outside errands for) two family households that are vulnerable as well as myself. If I get fined for not filling in an application journal when/if I next get called into a job centre I'm probably going to start throwing things.
I don't see how that stops panic buyers who deem 10000 rolls of toilet paper essential shopping.
In NZ we had a lockdown announced with 48 hours notice, taking affect tonight. Still had queues for supermarkets wrapping around street blocks, despite the messaging being very explicit that essential services including supermarkets will remain open throughout.
Some people just cannot behave rationally.
Globally the trend is country leaders saying "We will not be doing this" and 2 weeks later saying "Actually, we will be doing this".
It's not the fact that they're not listening to the messaging, it's just they're aware the messaging can change on extremely short notice. Last week, Boris was assuring everyone that pubs were allowed to remain open - now they're not. This week, supermarkets are allowed to remain open - people are saying "is that still going to be true next week?"
It's the price bullshitters in chief are paying for trying to put a positive spin on everything. Now they've had to walk almost everything back, people REALLY don't believe them at a time they should. Jacinda in NZ has been refreshingly honest and direct in contrast with other leaders, but the fact that Level 4 pandemic pretty much didn't even exist in public consciousness a week ago has people thinking "They've been telling us restrictions will get more severe - what if next week there's a Level 5?"
This is all true but still, common fucking sense should tell you they're not going to close the supermarkets because, you know, starvation and food riots would kill more people than Covid-19. Cutting off peoples access to food isn't an option regardless of the infection risk.
Common sense should also tell you not to fill up your shopping cart trolley with All The Meat in the Store, and then brag about doing so to everyone else in line (who now can't get any). But that is a thing that happened, here in the States.
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Yeah I am going to continue to go to the artificial boulder near where I live cos there's never anyone there and I go alone
They won't though, because they're doing everything possible to have to actually pay out any compensation or wage support.
I expect the exercising outdoors bit to be ruled out sooner or later. I believe Italy did the same.
Or, consider:
Twitter is exploding right now with different people claiming different interpretations of the detail.
In particular, there doesn't seem to be a definition of essential retail
No guidance on what happens where parents have kids but live apart
I was told today I'd be working from home for the next 2 weeks so that's nicely timed I suppose. Just hope I don't get randomly stopped tomorrow; one more day i promise guv!
Edit: e.g. a person whose family runs a corner shop. Is that essential retail? Should they be remaining open? They stock from a cash and carry, should they be continuing to do that?
To be fair, we got here over about two weeks, right? For the Brits it’s all happening in an instant.
Hardware shops? Unless people are just meant to let their homes fall into disrepair if something breaks. Also pet supply shops? There are probably a bunch of things that can be considered essential. Do we have Gamestops in this country, because obviously they count.
Also are retailers still allowed to do online orders and deliveries even if they're otherwise considered non-essential?
When it comes to walking for exercise, I time to after dark. That way all the kids are inside, most people are back from work and watching TV. No traffic, only a few people walking dogs. Even then its 4-5 meters when I meet somebody going the opposite way. That 2 meter rule is a minimum, not a maximum and if I got room. Like last night I saw a guy walking down the sidewalk I had to walk, I crossed the road to avoid him like he was black and I was a middle aged white lady. I am not talking to him anyways. It doesn't hurt either me or him. So why not go the extra mile?
They know this is going to be horribly complicated and they don't have all the angles figured out, but figuring it out as we go is the only way it's going to actually get done at all.
I misread that for a second and thought it was in 2030, not at 2030.
I am concerned about my sister, her partner works for the British transport police, and he's probably going to be considered essential.
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I mean, we're halfway through leaving the country. The movers are coming in two weeks. Well, maybe now none of them are. Or maybe one is? I shall have to ask them. And assuming they are coming, my wife has to get to the airport, to get on a flight to Canada. Is that essential? I think so, but who knows. If the movers have come and gone, she won't have anywhere to sleep. If we can argue that repatriation flights are essential travel, can he get a lift to the airport from a friend? Or take a taxi? Will taxi's even be running? Will the repat flights even show up?
We are having a...not great day right now.
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Kind of an eye-opener to see it in black and white all in one place.
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According to the BBC:
So it looks like your neighbour is officially Essential, which means it's the vet's choice what they do.
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It isn't in the pdfs on gov.uk (which themselves don't completely align with the content of the announcement)
Then there are perplexing tweets from individuals within government like this one:
From a member of the cabinet which contradicts both the announcement and the letter of the published guidance
But who knows
Working out how to implement a lot of these things will take days, going into weeks of work. We're definitely in a "announce what must happen, then Government must work out practicalities" type of policymaking.
In NZ we had a lockdown announced with 48 hours notice, taking affect tonight. Still had queues for supermarkets wrapping around street blocks, despite the messaging being very explicit that essential services including supermarkets will remain open throughout.
Some people just cannot behave rationally.
Thanks. He's decided to close up for the lockdown anyway; he's been really stressed about the health of his staff since the virus started spreading in the UK.
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It's not the fact that they're not listening to the messaging, it's just they're aware the messaging can change on extremely short notice. Last week, Boris was assuring everyone that pubs were allowed to remain open - now they're not. This week, supermarkets are allowed to remain open - people are saying "is that still going to be true next week?"
It's the price bullshitters in chief are paying for trying to put a positive spin on everything. Now they've had to walk almost everything back, people REALLY don't believe them at a time they should. Jacinda in NZ has been refreshingly honest and direct in contrast with other leaders, but the fact that Level 4 pandemic pretty much didn't even exist in public consciousness a week ago has people thinking "They've been telling us restrictions will get more severe - what if next week there's a Level 5?"
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I think the point is that you're not allowed to go into work at all, unless your job is considered essential...
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You and me both mate.
I have no advice for you right now, I need to call our movers in the (Canadian) morning and see if they’re still coming to ship our stuff from the UK.
If it’s a small move you might be OK if they send one person, or possibly they send two and you go out for an hour while they pack up your stuff. But honestly don’t know.
Will update you if I hear from my movers before you hear from yours; if you don’t have any booked, you can ring round. I suspect some will say they’re key workers for transit (moving freight essentially) so stay open. But yeah.
ETA: Also, not going to lie @Jazz , I am not having a great day right now.
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This is all true but still, common fucking sense should tell you they're not going to close the supermarkets because, you know, starvation and food riots would kill more people than Covid-19. Cutting off peoples access to food isn't an option regardless of the infection risk.
Common sense should also tell you not to fill up your shopping cart trolley with All The Meat in the Store, and then brag about doing so to everyone else in line (who now can't get any). But that is a thing that happened, here in the States.
Common sense isn't.
There's quite a broad spectrum of shops that can still open and I've already seen several companies insisting they're essential such as WH Smith's.
A large proportion of my town will still be open tomorrow.
I can sort of see the government's plan, gradually increase the severity of the lockdown so that each step can be assessed.