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I'm not a huge Bernie supporter (I voted for him in 2016's primary but have soured a bit on him since) but I do not see Bernie being susceptible at all to Trump. Biden, on the other hand, really seems easily manipulated, considering his tendency to get flustered and Trump's ability to prey on people who "play fair." I don't think Bernie would be as worried about Respectability.
Saying something so stupid he finally loses voters. Getting hit with Republican bullshit that sticks somehow and peels off people who are already looking for an excuse to stay home, Hillary style. Something genuinely fucked up coming out or happening. Health scare. Etc.
genuinely one of the worst campaigners i've seen in my lifetime
Everyone doesn't have to be a villain to turn a system built too optimistically into something monstrous. Apathy and normal selfishness and shortsightedness, stuff which is absolutely definitely normal for most humans, is more than enough to empower the real shitheads.
Enough people are racist, for no reason but shithead tribalism, that a system which doesn't acknowledge that racism is its own thing will allow it to flourish. A socialist one as much as a capitalist one. You get 'socialism, but only for white people' if you're not careful.
He extremely comes off as the party elder who thinks its his turn.
Also been doing some volunteer texting for the Bernie campaign: pretty fun!
Texting while in the bathroom on company time is praxis
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If youd just put her on the phone I could stop
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Not that I don't believe you wandering, but literally every time I've done that I only get spammed more.
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He's an old, white man, he's Obama's VP, and he's been around in politics a long time as a Democrat. Everyone, even his supporters, knows he is a terrible campaigner and they don't care. He could stroke out and the establishment could get him the primary win, Weekend at Bernie's style.
I can believe that political campaigns might honor the unsubscribe button because they don't want to annoy you enough that you don't vote for the candidate.
Which is the whole problem, because race and class are in many ways orthogonal. Treating racism as just another form of class warfare doesn't work, because racism doesn't cleave like that - class markers like money and education rarely protect people from the impact of racism.
In what waybdo you think Sanders does this?
Hence all those stories of well-heeled older black men driving their nice cars home to their nice neighborhood and getting harassed by police who think they don't belong. Class is not a perfect protection.
I'm going to echo NoBeard above (probably for different reasons), but he's an old white man who is preaching a 'can't we all just get along' mantra that seems like it would appeal to my mental image of the average voter. Now I'll caveat that up and down that my image of the average voter is incredibly negative and cynical, so take that purely as my personal opinion.
When you reference the base being fatigued and that driving turnout, while I think that is not an unreasonable interpretation, I also don't necessarily buy it being true even if we want it to be. I don't want to dig into specifics for fear of violating the rules as you said, but I'm just trying to articulate my personal feelings and why I would consider Biden, recognizing that I agree with pretty much all the negative feedback that has been posted on here. I agree he's old, a poor campaigner, etc etc, but the question comes down to who do I think will play better with voters in a handful of swing states rather than who do I actually want to be president. It sucks, but that's just where I am.
All that being said, I am still likely voting Warren but I do want to see how she performs and whether it looks like she has a real shot before fully committing.
Sanders has never said fixing class solves racism!
https://www.businessinsider.com/sanders-researched-whether-warren-could-vp-and-treasury-secretary-report-2020-1
Lucky she's energetic!
Generally is, but there may be morale value in having your trust-busting favoring colleague leading both Treasury and the second highest executive office in the land, assuming you're able to fill the vacancy they leave with another democrat
You reported she throws objects at her staffers.
EDIT:
From earlier up in the endorsements:
[looks at Libya]
[looks at the New York Times Editorial Board with a look of deep concern]
EDIT: They try to parse it as a "There's a battle for the soul of the party! The old guard and the progressive left!" but it all just feels like half-assed bullshit to avoid giving Warren a clean endorsement because they feel like they have to acknowledge her popularity and clout, but actually loathe what her policies stand for, and the whole thing feels just completely insulting.
plus there's a significant level of cultural clout that goes with the Vice Presidency, at least from the standpoint of the lay person.
Sanders' plans revolve around the idea of boosting civic involvement to get the legislators we need and in the numbers we need to craft and pass policy, and turning out larger shares of the vote than traditionally have been the case, so on the morale aspect that may be useful to use the power of the Treasury to execute policy where it can and generate changes that the public will appreciate and feel have improved their lives, and then use that to build more democratic party support overall.
As we've seen, Biden has been pretty stable despite all of his weirdness and stupid things he's said. And Trump has maintained an incredibly stable (though low) poll numbers despite his endless stream of bullshit. It took taking credit for a government shutdown to really sock his numbers and the recovered pretty quick after that.
I think people's minds are made up for the general, and it's going to come down to just getting the bases out to vote, and just how much voter suppression the Pubs can do.
This is exactly the kind of moronic nonsense that makes me hope Bernie loses dramatically. What a staggeringly stupid way to waste your political capital and weaken your administration.
Its just some research the campaign was doing.
Uh....what? Care to explain why that's bad?
Everything is optics. You either do it so it gets known / don't mind if it does, or you don't do it because it might get known.
It's just so fucking stupid.
FIRST BLOOD
It doesn't seem that far-fetched, concerning the lack of concrete executive responsibilities of the VP in the modern day, outside of "be ready to assume the presidency"*
*as averse to the legislative responsibility of the tie breaking vote
Barbara Lee
You still want someone who, if something should happen to you, follows at least a similar ideology to continue the work of the elected platform. In that case, in our current climate and with the available candidates, Warren would be the go to for a Sanders presidency to continue that