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The Democratic Primaries: NH Calling

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
New poll: Who will win the nomination before the convention?

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The Democratic Primaries: NH Calling 243 votes

Joe Biden
4% 10 votes
Michael Bloomberg
1% 3 votes
Pete Buttigieg
2% 5 votes
Amy Klobuchar
0% 0 votes
Bernie Sanders
55% 136 votes
Elizabeth Warren
19% 48 votes
No One
16% 41 votes
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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2020
    All previous rules apply. 2020 primaries, never 2016, if you’re an asshole you’ll get kicked and stay kicked. If you’ve been kicked previously, consider yourself kicked and don’t post here. Don't be an asshole

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2020
    Delegates:

    Buttigieg 22
    Sanders 21
    Warren 8
    Klobuchar 7
    Biden 6


    The Calendar:
    • Monday, Feb. 3 — Iowa caucuses (49 delegates)
    • Tuesday, Feb. 11 — New Hampshire primaries (33 delegates)
    • Wednesday, Feb. 19 — NBC Debate
    • Saturday, Feb. 22 — Nevada Democratic caucuses (48 delegates)
    • Tuesday, Feb. 25 — CBS Debate
    • Saturday, Feb. 29 — South Carolina Democratic primaries (63 delegates)
    • Super Tuesday, March 3 — Alabama primaries (59 delegates), Arkansas primaries (36 delegates), California primaries (495 primaries), Colorado primaries (80 delegates), Maine primaries (32 delegates), Massachusetts primaries (114 delegates), Minnesota primaries (91 delegates), North Carolina primaries (122 delegates), Oklahoma primaries (42 delegates), Tennessee primaries (73 delegates), Texas primaries (262 delegates), Utah primaries (35 delegates), Vermont primaries (23 delegates), Virginia Democratic primary (124 delegates)
    • Tuesday, March 10 — Idaho primaries (25 delegates), Michigan primaries (147 delegates), Mississippi primaries (41 delegates), Missouri primaries (178), North Dakota caucuses (18 delegates), Washington primaries (107 delegates)
    • Tuesday, March 17 — Arizona Democratic primary (78 delegates), Florida primaries (248 delegates), Illinois primaries (184 delegates), Ohio primaries (153 delegates)

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I'm still not comfortable with rat imagery with any politician. Its gross.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Re: people being mean to Mayor Pete on Twitter

    The general election is when you hold your nose and vote out the guy who runs literal concentration camps

    The primary is for screaming at focus-tested, corporatist, billionaire-approved, weakly-liberal but not too liberal, empty vessels to be filled up by donors like Pete to GTFO

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    As much as I'd like for it to go Bernie or Warren's way, I think there's going to be enough delegates between Biden, Bernie, Warren and Buttigieg that it has a very good chance of being a contested conference.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I'm still not comfortable with rat imagery with any politician. Its gross.

    Given what his health care plan would do to people I find it to be generously polite.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Really my pick is too early to say much of anything.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    The thing with Buttigieg is that not only is he blatantly in hock to a bunch of corporate nightmares, he barely has any elected experience to draw from to get things done

    And what experience he does have is basically being used by racists to make the police department even whiter than it was when he got there

    I deplore the idea of Biden winning the nomination but at least he would be a steady hand at the till and know basically what to do with the job

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Are we talking the debate here?

  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • H0b0manH0b0man Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    I completely forgot there was a debate tonight until I just went on Youtube and saw the ABC stream on the front page.

    Oh look. It's a predebate panel including Chris Christie. Time to turn this off and go find some other stream of it.

    edit-nvm ABC is hosting so it's only them that have a stream from what I can see.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    Preacher, people are posting cartoons on Twitter.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I'm still not comfortable with rat imagery with any politician. Its gross.

    Given what his health care plan would do to people I find it to be generously polite.

    I find it distasteful to dehumanize anybody, and I am extremely uncomfortable sharing a tent with people who are ambivalent to those who do so.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    H0b0man wrote: »
    I completely forgot there was a debate tonight until I just went on Youtube and saw the ABC stream on the front page.

    Oh look. It's a predebate panel including Chris Christie. Time to turn this off and go find some other stream of it.


    On the other hand, I remember why I stopped watching TV news.

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Got a good laugh when I checked 538. See article, Introducing a new face: Bloomsburg. Look over at the forecast graphic and see Bloomburg's chances as being 1 in a 100.

    Have to wonder how quickly Pete collapses though because the lack of minority support is going to kill him. Also cringing at how people still don't fucking get why his support with blacks is in the dumpster. Latest attempt to help him to claim that "it's totally a media narrative" that is given too much credit. Thing is he is a shitty candidate and his record has shown that he doesn't just not care about the issues that blacks care about, but pretty much betrayed them when he was in office. This was the guy that sided with the racists of his town's PD against black officers. If I had to guess, he's support will probably start crumbling once a ton of people pushing for him, finally get that black voters aren't going to come around to him. Once Biden gets written off, I'm pretty sure the minority support is probably going to go either to Warren or Sanders. I'm not sure that Bloomsburg will pick it up, but he'll probably pick up the voters that were going to vote for Biden, then when he fell, go for Pete and are now settling for Bloomsburg.

  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I'm still not comfortable with rat imagery with any politician. Its gross.

    Given what his health care plan would do to people I find it to be generously polite.

    Okay so this right here is something I have a problem with! There are perfectly reasonable debates to have on medicare 4 all vs. a public option. We can discuss the merits of both types without devolving into histrionics and using that to characterize someone with a policy that would absolutely be better than what we have right now as evil or less than moral. This type of thing makes policy conversations in good faith harder!

    Pete’s plan charges people unable to get health insurance a $6,000 yearly fee.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    Preacher, people are posting cartoons on Twitter.

    The president communicates directly to the american people on twitter, you're fine with using literal nazi imagery because you don't like someone that's not a bridge I'm fine with and think we should aim higher than that.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I'm still not comfortable with rat imagery with any politician. Its gross.

    Given what his health care plan would do to people I find it to be generously polite.

    Okay so this right here is something I have a problem with! There are perfectly reasonable debates to have on medicare 4 all vs. a public option. We can discuss the merits of both types without devolving into histrionics and using that to characterize someone with a policy that would absolutely be better than what we have right now as evil or less than moral. This type of thing makes policy conversations in good faith harder!

    His health care plan isnt a matter of m4a vs public option. He wants to retroactively tax uninsured people for the year's premiums on their tax bill. His health care plan will put people on the street so honestly I cant bring myself to be much bothered by people comparing him to an animal culturally associated with deceit and untrustworthiness.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    Preacher, people are posting cartoons on Twitter.

    Preacher may be melodramatic but it has been in a few post from tweets from certain sections with using a rat for Pete.

    And it has been stated by more than a few people that makes us fee uncomfortable for more than a few reasons.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    Preacher, people are posting cartoons on Twitter.

    Foreign policy is happening on twitter.

    What happens on Twitter matters.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    Preacher, people are posting cartoons on Twitter.

    Foreign policy is happening on twitter.

    What happens on Twitter matters.

    Comparing people yelling at a presidential candidate to the build up to the holocaust is ridiculous

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Are we talking the debate here?

    Yeah.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    All right, we are now beginning

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    Dehumanization of your opponents never sits well with me, no matter who does it. Especially when it uses vermin imagery. There's a lot loaded in there that just does not speak well to the message or the person issuing that message.

    Yeah I mean its something the nazis literally did and there is no reason to do it other than to dehumanize someone, its gross and while I don't like Pete I think we can aim slightly higher than that.

    Preacher, people are posting cartoons on Twitter.

    Foreign policy is happening on twitter.

    What happens on Twitter matters.

    Comparing people yelling at a presidential candidate to the build up to the holocaust is ridiculous

    In a vacuum, sure.

    But we don't live in a vacuum.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I'm still not comfortable with rat imagery with any politician. Its gross.

    Given what his health care plan would do to people I find it to be generously polite.

    Okay so this right here is something I have a problem with! There are perfectly reasonable debates to have on medicare 4 all vs. a public option. We can discuss the merits of both types without devolving into histrionics and using that to characterize someone with a policy that would absolutely be better than what we have right now as evil or less than moral. This type of thing makes policy conversations in good faith harder!

    His health care plan isnt a matter of m4a vs public option. He wants to retroactively tax uninsured people for the year's premiums on their tax bill. His health care plan will put people on the street so honestly I cant bring myself to be much bothered by people comparing him to an animal culturally associated with deceit and untrustworthiness.

    Do you have a citation for this? I'm not finding this detail

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/buttigieg-health-plan-hinges-on-supercharged-version-of-unpopular-obamacare-mandate/2019/12/24/415ae876-21bb-11ea-9146-6c3a3ab1be6c_story.html

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Guess we’re going to find out just how people feel about the socialist or democratic socialist label sooner rather than later.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    First question for Biden.

    Why are you going to get creamed in the primary here?

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    We just had a Buttigieg/Buttigieg split creen

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Second question for Sanders

    Trump is going to hit you with "Socialism! Blah!" Is that a weakness?

    Sanders: Trump is a fucking liar.

    Also, we are united in needing to beat Trump.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    I'm pretty sure Bernie's got it but "no one" worries me.

    I think I'm buoyed by the fact that a combo of Warren/Sanders is also probably an either/or win, right? I assume neither would ride it straight to the convention since each is supporting a lot of the same legislative priorities.

    We're all in this together
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Gotta give credit to Bernie for that answer. He's asked about Trump's attacks on him:

    1) Trump lies.
    2) It doesn't matter who wins, all seven of us will be united to defeat him.
    3) I'm proud of the job we did in Iowa getting young people out to vote and if we can do that nationally, we'll win.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    He also focuses on the increase on young people turnout, and they voted for him

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Klobuchar raises hand for being worried about democratic socialist( after hesitation)

    Goes into being a uniter etc.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Steyer takes aim at Pete's lack of minority support, but not by name.

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Gotta give credit to Bernie for that answer. He's asked about Trump's attacks on him:

    1) Trump lies.
    2) It doesn't matter who wins, all seven of us will be united to defeat him.
    3) I'm proud of the job we did in Iowa getting young people out to vote and if we can do that nationally, we'll win.

    He's usually pretty good and parrying this kind of stuff

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