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Minimalist [chat]

ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilegeWestern coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
This is a chat. It has everything a chat needs: a title containing the word chat, and a body. I guess it could use a bunch of cat photos to spice things up:
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Maybe an extra cute one?
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This concludes the body of minimalist chat.

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Just once I'd like to be able to embarrassingly accidentally post in a closed chat like a mod

  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    As the elected Inspector General of Chat I can confirm that this is in fact a [Chat]
    It could be many things but a [Chat] is one of the things it must be based on established criteria

    Bless your heart.
  • NecoNeco In My Restless Dreams Registered User regular
    Cat chat is best chat :+1:

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCmyZYYR7_s

    Ever wonder what sonar actually sounds like in the water? Here you go!

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    I like the one with all the eyes the best

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    dx6r5vf8n1b8.png

    Pick your alignment I'm sepia woodland

    I ate an engineer
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Shivahn, do one based on ahegao faces

  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Definitely great wave but on a bad day I turn hentai

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    This SuperAustria that inherited both Hungary and Burgundy is boolsheet. Stop joining coalitions, I only stole all of Naples!

  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Do one based on stills from Batman: TAS.

    And maybe Mike Mignola's Hellboy art.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCmyZYYR7_s

    Ever wonder what sonar actually sounds like in the water? Here you go!

    it's fuckin' wild. you also can feel it in your body. I remember hearing it a few times while scuba diving.

    also whales are fuckin' loud

    sperm whales can apparently blow out your ear drum and I can attest to how bone-shaking it is

    tyrannus on
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    My wife has given me a shitton of photos she happened to have of the cats to train on, which has given me insight into how often photos of them involve Lia distorting her face or body into something unnatural.
    Look at how she holds her body! This is a normal shape! She frequently has neither front paw on the ground.

    g91tgm3lqzjw.jpeg

    These are the eyes I most associate with her.
    5j7ygx72z9ml.jpg

    Also, in the interest of being fair to her, this is probably the image that best shows her standard stance, aggression, and level of angelicness:
    s4p5384ar01m.jpg

    (I have a ton of cute kitten photos too, but they are for some other time, I am tired of cropping and scaling images)

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    tyrannus wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCmyZYYR7_s

    Ever wonder what sonar actually sounds like in the water? Here you go!

    it's fuckin' wild. you also can feel it in your body. I remember hearing it a few times while scuba diving.

    also whales are fuckin' loud

    sperm whales can apparently blow out your ear drum and I can attest to how bone-shaking it is

    Look sometimes you need to be able to shout "~How you doin?~ over 1000 miles ok

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I can't tell how much your algo would actually distort an image vs trying to put a brush filter over it.

    Basically, what happens if you feed it Ralph Steadman?

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    milski wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    dx6r5vf8n1b8.png

    Pick your alignment I'm sepia woodland

    Oh, you missed my alignment chart version:
    0cdinir6si7a.jpg

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2020
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell how much your algo would actually distort an image vs trying to put a brush filter over it.

    Basically, what happens if you feed it Ralph Steadman?

    I can control the relative level and scale of distortion, actually, though I haven't actually played with that and thus have little to no skill in that manner of manipulation.

    Shivahn on
  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell how much your algo would actually distort an image vs trying to put a brush filter over it.

    Basically, what happens if you feed it Ralph Steadman?

    iirc from when I was playing around with style transfer, I think it has to do something with what layer of the CNN you "cross the streams" at?

    I'm not exactly sure how Shiv's style transfer works, though.

  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    That cat has interesting facial structure

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    shivs algo literally takes all possible results from 15 million parallel realities and filters them through an supercomputer driven AI brain that is based off a brain scan of Picasso on lsd

    Bless your heart.
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    My wife has given me a shitton of photos she happened to have of the cats to train on, which has given me insight into how often photos of them involve Lia distorting her face or body into something unnatural.
    Look at how she holds her body! This is a normal shape! She frequently has neither front paw on the ground.

    g91tgm3lqzjw.jpeg

    These are the eyes I most associate with her.
    5j7ygx72z9ml.jpg

    Also, in the interest of being fair to her, this is probably the image that best shows her standard stance, aggression, and level of angelicness:
    s4p5384ar01m.jpg

    (I have a ton of cute kitten photos too, but they are for some other time, I am tired of cropping and scaling images)

    Does she have a twitter account?

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Winky wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell how much your algo would actually distort an image vs trying to put a brush filter over it.

    Basically, what happens if you feed it Ralph Steadman?

    iirc from when I was playing around with style transfer, I think it has to do something with what layer of the CNN you "cross the streams" at?

    I'm not exactly sure how Shiv's style transfer works, though.

    I'm using the OG style transfer, the extremely slow image-optimization one by Gatys et al., 2015. So yeah, the level can be controlled based on which layer's gram matrices I use (as well as the content layer). The only adjustment I've made to the algorithm as written in the paper (which is different from what's written in other papers, none of which agree....) is that for speed reasons I've been initializing with the content image instead of random initialization. Also, I'm going to upscale these images later using the technique he suggested in the follow up paper, though it's kind of an obvious idea and I actually realized I could do it before reading the paper.

  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    10 percent turnout possible for Alabama runoff election
    things are looking up

    Bless your heart.
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Eddy wrote: »
    That cat has interesting facial structure

    Which one? The fluffy one has a Himalayan style smooshed face that makes her breathing sound funny.
    4esegnba1rjc.jpg

    Lia's is plainer than it looks, she's just real bad at getting flattering images taken. The most interesting thing is something I unfortunately don't have images of off hand, though you can see it in a couple of the photos: her lower mouth is split down the middle wrt color, so she has a black lip on one side and a pink one on the other, and the roof of her mouth is also speckled in that manner, which is the result of a quirk of the intersection of mammalian sex determination and feline coat color genetics.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Couscous wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    My wife has given me a shitton of photos she happened to have of the cats to train on, which has given me insight into how often photos of them involve Lia distorting her face or body into something unnatural.
    Look at how she holds her body! This is a normal shape! She frequently has neither front paw on the ground.

    g91tgm3lqzjw.jpeg

    These are the eyes I most associate with her.
    5j7ygx72z9ml.jpg

    Also, in the interest of being fair to her, this is probably the image that best shows her standard stance, aggression, and level of angelicness:
    s4p5384ar01m.jpg

    (I have a ton of cute kitten photos too, but they are for some other time, I am tired of cropping and scaling images)

    Does she have a twitter account?

    She probably should, just because there are so many photos of her being a huge dork..

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Lia is the pain in the ass one?

  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell how much your algo would actually distort an image vs trying to put a brush filter over it.

    Basically, what happens if you feed it Ralph Steadman?

    iirc from when I was playing around with style transfer, I think it has to do something with what layer of the CNN you "cross the streams" at?

    I'm not exactly sure how Shiv's style transfer works, though.

    I'm using the OG style transfer, the extremely slow image-optimization one by Gatys et al., 2015. So yeah, the level can be controlled based on which layer's gram matrices I use (as well as the content layer). The only adjustment I've made to the algorithm as written in the paper (which is different from what's written in other papers, none of which agree....) is that for speed reasons I've been initializing with the content image instead of random initialization. Also, I'm going to upscale these images later using the technique he suggested in the follow up paper, though it's kind of an obvious idea and I actually realized I could do it before reading the paper.

    Ah, cool, yeah that's the one I messed with

    Re: the upscale thing, I think in general that's where the really cool shit can be done art-wise, by running images through multiple different NNs in order to do multiple operations on an image. Next time I want to try a lot of combinations of passing images through multiple times or through multiple different kinds of nets.

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Derry Girls is excellent

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
  • NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    Butt update: Currently unable to trust farts. I am not a buttologist but this feels like pretty rapid turnaround if the trail mix I had this morning is the source of my woes. Of course, it's a pretty long stretch of time to what I'd last eaten before that, so who knows.

    It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
    Warframe/Steam: NFyt
  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Would it do anything to run multiple examples from the same artist?

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Would it do anything to run multiple examples from the same artist?

    Iirc You can do this and it will turn out different. Takes more time to run though ofc.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    NEO|Phyte wrote: »
    Butt update: Currently unable to trust farts. I am not a buttologist but this feels like pretty rapid turnaround if the trail mix I had this morning is the source of my woes. Of course, it's a pretty long stretch of time to what I'd last eaten before that, so who knows.
    Eat some lemongrass.

    8i1dt37buh2m.png
  • NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    That seems unlikely to solve the problem of butt emissions that aren't farts pretending to be farts.

    It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
    Warframe/Steam: NFyt
  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
  • TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    hahnsoo we are of one accord

    Bless your heart.
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    the buttologists and asstronomers are in constant conflict

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    the buttologists and asstronomers are in constant conflict

    I want to go bake in a hot sauna

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    never again

  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    Eddy wrote: »
    the buttologists and asstronomers are in constant conflict

    When the planets align the Great Unclean One will be summoned

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Winky wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell how much your algo would actually distort an image vs trying to put a brush filter over it.

    Basically, what happens if you feed it Ralph Steadman?

    iirc from when I was playing around with style transfer, I think it has to do something with what layer of the CNN you "cross the streams" at?

    I'm not exactly sure how Shiv's style transfer works, though.

    I'm using the OG style transfer, the extremely slow image-optimization one by Gatys et al., 2015. So yeah, the level can be controlled based on which layer's gram matrices I use (as well as the content layer). The only adjustment I've made to the algorithm as written in the paper (which is different from what's written in other papers, none of which agree....) is that for speed reasons I've been initializing with the content image instead of random initialization. Also, I'm going to upscale these images later using the technique he suggested in the follow up paper, though it's kind of an obvious idea and I actually realized I could do it before reading the paper.

    Ah, cool, yeah that's the one I messed with

    Re: the upscale thing, I think in general that's where the really cool shit can be done art-wise, by running images through multiple different NNs in order to do multiple operations on an image. Next time I want to try a lot of combinations of passing images through multiple times or through multiple different kinds of nets.

    I am gonna futz about with other types of networks after doing some more work with this (this is all VGG19).
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Would it do anything to run multiple examples from the same artist?

    Probably. It's hard to explain what's going on exactly, but basically:

    The neural network is built such that it has many layers, each of which takes previous layers as inputs and looks for features. So the first layer might look for lines (vertical, horizontal, other) or color or whatever. Next layer might look for combinations of these features (vertical AND horizontal lines? This is a hash mark; or, lines angled up-left , vertical, and then down-right? Maybe that's a circle). They get more and more complicated until it's doing things like recognizing eyes or cats (or orange cats, or animal ears, or cars - you get the idea).

    The algorithm works by taking two images - a content image and a style image. It tries to match the content image exactly, at whatever layer you say (so, if you try to match to an early layer, it'll VERY faithfully re-create the original image, because it's trying to keep the image as close as possible wrt lines, colors, dots, etc, but if you choose a later layer it'll be matching more vaguely - trying to make sure it remains a cat, with gray stripes, on a tan cat tower, etc).

    The style image it tries to match correlations - so, taking the Wave for example, it'll pick up on the fact that there's a lot of white and a lot of blue, but not both in the same place, and when they meet it is usually at curves, and it'll try to make curvy white/blue separations.

    Anyway. You could absolutely try to match it to multiple images - you'd just say "hey, instead of matching the correlations to the Wave, map them to the Wave and the Dream of the Fisherman's Wife." You'd probably halve the strength of each image, since you don't want to overwhelm it. If you matched it to ALL of Hokusai's work, it'd try to most faithfully represent the average "style" seen in those works.

    Hmm that is not a great explanation, but it's really hard to find a good lay way of explaining it when it boils down to "this particular form of a correlationary matrix seems to work for this task."

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