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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Anyone else watch the latest Lovecraft?

    I’m curious what people think.

    I just found it a REALLY boring.

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    Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    Anyone else watch the latest Lovecraft?

    I’m curious what people think.

    I just found it a REALLY boring.

    I don’t know. I think you might be right about it-at first I thought it was trying to provide a window into the absolute terror of being black in the south in the 50’s and how that was very much much an experience of dehumanizing horror as an sleepy squid god could ever aspire to be, and yet...it’s going in these other places for reasons that aren’t clear and hurt the narrative momentum.

    Also the blonde icelandic elven vampire kids or whatever seem incredibly boring and they seem like obstacles rather than compelling characters.

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Reynolds wrote: »

    Community at least went the subversive route of having the Subway product placement be accompanied by a character who was a man contractually obligated by the Subway corporation into acting as the human embodiment of Subway via "corpohumanization" until he broke character and told someone his real name, at which point Subway's goons forcibly took him into custody.

    Here's an extended version of the previously posted clip:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YiJEqHfcFvg

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    I'd love to watch an episode of that show where there isn't a tremendous amount of gore or otherwise shockingly violent sexual violations of onscreen characters.

    Too bad there don't seem to be any!

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Reynolds wrote: »

    Community at least went the subversive route of having the Subway product placement be accompanied by a character who was a man forced by the Subway corporation into acting as the human embodiment of Subway until he broke character and told someone his real name, at which point Subway's goons forcibly took him into custody.

    I mean they still got paid to sell you sandwiches

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I'd love to watch an episode of that show where there isn't a tremendous amount of gore or otherwise shockingly violent sexual violations of onscreen characters.

    Too bad there don't seem to be any!

    The most recent episode's take on the
    nine-tailed fox
    was...innovative...

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I'd love to watch an episode of that show where there isn't a tremendous amount of gore or otherwise shockingly violent sexual violations of onscreen characters.

    Too bad there don't seem to be any!

    The most recent episode's take on the
    nine-tailed fox
    was...innovative...

    Still too gory for my tastes.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I just finished watching the first season of Cursed on Netflix.

    It took me a bit to pinpoint it, because it's not a case of the week genre show, and it takes itself a bit more seriously than those shows do at their best, but it's essentially just the Smallville of Arthurian mythology. It takes a bunch of familiar names and characters and presents them a bit younger, shows how their lives and intertwined and all that, and tells a story that is clearly leading to the familiar "beginning" for those characters (in this case, Arthur receiving Excalibur from The Lady in the Lake/Nimue).

    And there is a fair bit to like about the remix, honestly - I've watched every episode of Smallville so it shouldn't be entirely damning to compare it to that. I'm not entirely on board with the Fae being an ethnic class, but I like their inclusion overall. I'm excited by the prospect of a black King Arthur, even if it's not something the show is engaging with too much. I think some of the tonal shift and the shorter season is what I've been asking for with these sort of shows for a long time, and this show would absolutely be ruined by dealing with Paladin of the Week plots or what have you.

    That said, it seems to fall into every folly of those shows as well. In trying to shove characters together before their time, it creates new relationship avenues, it uses names that are recognizable too early, that sort of thing. A lot of that is going to mean getting into spoilers though, so from here on out, spoilers for the whole first season and/or eight hundred year old poems.
    Every single knight twist is bad. Gawain is actually the Green Knight (the protector of the Fae), Lancelot is a violent religious extremist, and Percival is a kid named Squirrel. I guess that last one is fine, but they're not doing anything with it either so I'm going to throw it into the bad category as well. It very much feels like they're introducing these characters because they're recognizable names but will run out of things to do with them fairly quickly. I guess it's better than Arrow and Flash just murdering their named villains early on, but not by much. There's also a couple throwaways like Bors and Ector, but nobody's favorite story is about Bors or Ector, so I think it works a bit better there. Honestly I'd be more into the show using characters of that caliber as leads for its first season (you could even have like, Bertilak, the actual Green Knight), and waiting to introduce known powerhouses until later.

    Similarly, the Arthur/Nimue stuff is... I mean it's just a recipe for disaster. I feel like I've seen this setup with genre shows countless times, and you end up with a Lana and/or a Chloe that are inexplicably around for later seasons still or worse the disaster of how Arrow dealt with Laurel. I don't know how this show would be able to introduce Guinevere, and trying to make a Merlin/Nimue thing happen (as it often does) would be terrible with their presentation here.

    That said, I do like their King Arthur a lot. He's knavish, but not excessively so, and his presentation as a unifier of the men of England feels legitimately earned as a result of his character.

    Also their Morgan is fun, and I enjoy giving her an origin story. It is funny that in a show where half the characters are Fae, Morgan le Fay isn't one of them, but that honestly feels like an interesting thing that could develop rather than a misstep.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    doesn't "king arthur but smallville" already exist? I though that's what merlin was

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2020
    Wow

    I didn’t even realize this
    I’m watching the season 2 finale of Lost on 9/22/2020 which is 16 years after Desmond didn’t press the button in time and the place crashed on the island...


    This is Lost levels of uncanny

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Yeah, it is.

    And Merlin is probably a bit closer to that overall, honestly - Cursed is definitely trying to go more "Did you know that in the original versions of the fairy tales, people die?" with their tone. But it still reminds me of it as a whole.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Fells like Lost stuff should be in spoilers given how many people have said they're watching it for the first time recently

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    I really, really was not expecting an episode of Lovecraft Country to be like over 90% an homage to the Goonies.

    And also like Goonies it has many problematic elements!

    Aw man

    You mean the Goonies

    aren’t good enough

    It’s a movie from the 80’s so...you know.

    yeah, Peanut Butter Twix was around in the 80s so there's really no excuse for a baby ruth

    Well they were abusive

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Fells like Lost stuff should be in spoilers given how many people have said they're watching it for the first time recently

    Yeah, @Raijin Quickfoot, mind throwing that and any future Lost stuff behind some spoiler tags?

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Fells like Lost stuff should be in spoilers given how many people have said they're watching it for the first time recently


    Yeah you’re probably right. I edited it

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Cursed looks exactly like my kind of bullshit but Netflix is just going to cancel it without any conclusion so what's the point?

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I'd love to watch an episode of that show where there isn't a tremendous amount of gore or otherwise shockingly violent sexual violations of onscreen characters.

    Too bad there don't seem to be any!

    The most recent episode's take on the
    nine-tailed fox
    was...innovative...

    Still too gory for my tastes.

    I mean body horror is totally a Lovecraft thing. At times it does feel like they’re trying to throw in something that’s more like True Blood into the mix but I never read the book

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Does anyone else have a hard time hearing the dialogue in Love raft Country? It feels like they mixed the ambience/music way up comparatively

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Does anyone else have a hard time hearing the dialogue in Love raft Country? It feels like they mixed the ambience/music way up comparatively

    It’s a known issue. The mixing is garbage

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Does anyone else have a hard time hearing the dialogue in Love raft Country? It feels like they mixed the ambience/music way up comparatively

    It’s a known issue. The mixing is garbage

    Ok good, I was worried it’s just me.

    I am tempted to just turn on CC

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    All subtitles all the time in this, the age of bad mixing.

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    okay it's not, like, the best show and i am not completely bought in, but i have started watching bates motel and it is giving me all the drama i could ever ask for

    vera farmiga is a dynamo

    okay i am in the tail end of the first season now, and the bates family have come together to take down a sex trafficking ring so this show rules, actually

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Does anyone else have a hard time hearing the dialogue in Love raft Country? It feels like they mixed the ambience/music way up comparatively

    It’s a known issue. The mixing is garbage

    Ok good, I was worried it’s just me.

    I am tempted to just turn on CC

    When you have 3 kids you always have CC on.

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    Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    All subtitles all the time in this, the age of bad mixing.

    I swear my uninformed brain is trying to say this is some kind of audio compression thing where they’re trying to reduce streaming bandwidth or something. I have no clue how plausible this would be, but I’ve given up on Amazon Prime entirely based on how all audio across the board is terrible, original content or no.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited September 2020
    The issue is typically that streaming services inexplicably default to the 5.1 sound design that assumes you have a full surround sound system set up

    If you can switch it away from that, it should be better, but it's not necessarily easy (or even possible) to switch that off

    I know how to do it in Netflix and nowhere else

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    ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    All subtitles all the time in this, the age of bad mixing.

    Now you've run into bad CC where "[speaking in foreign language]" blocks the burned in subs. :rotate:

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    The issue is typically that streaming services inexplicably default to the 5.1 sound design that assumes you have a full surround sound system set up

    If you can switch it away from that, it should be better, but it's not necessarily easy (or even possible) to switch that off

    I know how to do it in Netflix and nowhere else

    Huh! Is this like a television app thing? Because I've had my 5.1 speakers set up on my PC for over a year now, and I don't think I've ever heard a streaming service try to play a movie in surround sound, only games.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    The issue is typically that streaming services inexplicably default to the 5.1 sound design that assumes you have a full surround sound system set up

    If you can switch it away from that, it should be better, but it's not necessarily easy (or even possible) to switch that off

    I know how to do it in Netflix and nowhere else

    Huh! Is this like a television app thing? Because I've had my 5.1 speakers set up on my PC for over a year now, and I don't think I've ever heard a streaming service try to play a movie in surround sound, only games.

    Yeah, that's specifically where I've noticed it. I never play things through my computer though, so I can't fully verify.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    The issue is typically that streaming services inexplicably default to the 5.1 sound design that assumes you have a full surround sound system set up

    If you can switch it away from that, it should be better, but it's not necessarily easy (or even possible) to switch that off

    I know how to do it in Netflix and nowhere else

    Yeah, 5.1 dialogue will generally be way quiet if you only have a stereo setup, and it can be really tricky to try and find the combination of settings between streaming software, device, and TV that will make it realize that what you really need is just a 2 channel mix.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Netflix is good and just puts it in their Audio and Subtitles section, at least with the app on my TV

    Of course, they still default it to 5.1 for everything, you can't like... tell them to not do that across the board, so you need to go in and individually switch things (which if you're like me, sounds like a lot of work and whatever I'll just make it louder)

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    I'm 2 episodes into American Vandal

    about every 4-5 minutes I crack up and internally go "You piece of shit show. You stupid bullshit. You're the stupidest thing I've ever seen."

    It's good.

    Also a former Power Ranger is in it and she says fuck.

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Reynolds wrote: »

    Community at least went the subversive route of having the Subway product placement be accompanied by a character who was a man forced by the Subway corporation into acting as the human embodiment of Subway until he broke character and told someone his real name, at which point Subway's goons forcibly took him into custody.

    I mean they still got paid to sell you sandwiches

    I remember when that ep first came out people were going "How did Subway approve this?" when that's advertising - getting your brand in people's minds by any means

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    I remember being confused by car commercials a lot when I was a kid. My family bought a car like every four or five years, what are the odds that they're going to catch us right when we're shopping for cars? Seemed like a real waste of money.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    I remember being confused by car commercials a lot when I was a kid. My family bought a car like every four or five years, what are the odds that they're going to catch us right when we're shopping for cars? Seemed like a real waste of money.

    I feel like most commercials are

    I love some commercials, but (for example) even the recent one with Patrick Stewart and Mark Hamill preparing to go at it with bats isn't going to persuade me to use uber eats.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    The biggest hurdle adds are often trying to overcome isn’t “how do we get people to buy our product” it’s “how do we get people to remember our product”

    Because the line between remembering and then buying is thin. It’s why you still get adds for coke, it’s to try and put it in our brains first google results, less about the add itself convincing us the product is good, as most people have had a coke, and more about tricking our brains into thinking about coke first

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Yeah, like, one of my favorite restaurants is a Mediterranean place close enough it's more convenient to walk to than to make a left turn onto that street from my apartment.

    And yet still sometimes I'll randomly think, damn, it's been like 2 months since I've gotten a shwarma there. Now that I don't drive past it literally every day, it's easy to slip my mind.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    The biggest hurdle adds are often trying to overcome isn’t “how do we get people to buy our product” it’s “how do we get people to remember our product”

    Because the line between remembering and then buying is thin. It’s why you still get adds for coke, it’s to try and put it in our brains first google results, less about the add itself convincing us the product is good, as most people have had a coke, and more about tricking our brains into thinking about coke first

    It's also trying to affect the zeitgeist by making you associate certain positive traits with certain products. Oh, he's having fun while drinking beer. Oh, he's a man's man and rugged as hell with that Jeep. Oh, she's thin and attractive and eating yogurt.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Does anyone else have a hard time hearing the dialogue in Love raft Country? It feels like they mixed the ambience/music way up comparatively

    Now I'm picturing the reboot of Love Boat for a depression era economy.

    The Love Raft

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Does anyone else have a hard time hearing the dialogue in Love raft Country? It feels like they mixed the ambience/music way up comparatively

    Now I'm picturing the reboot of Love Boat for a depression era economy.

    The Love Raft

    Sometimes that be how autocorrect do

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    i watched like 33 episodes of steven universe yesterday, which means i'm still in the first season because it's 500 episodes long

    the theme song will never leave my head and i'm fine with that

    ohhhhh it's because it's space oddity

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