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[WandaVision] Yakety Yak! Open Spoilers!

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edited January 30 in Debate and/or Discourse
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It's on Disney+!

Episode 1: Available Jan. 15
Episode 2: Available Jan. 15
Episode 3: Available Jan. 22
Episode 4: Available Jan. 29
Episode 5: Available Feb. 5
Episode 6: Available Feb. 12
Episode 7: Available Feb. 19
Episode 8: Available Feb. 26
Episode 9: Available March 5


First two eps are out now! Discuss! Open Spoilers For episodes that are already out! No leaks or upcoming episode spoilers!

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Cross post from the MCU thread:

    SO MUCH OMINOUS FORESHADOWING

    S.W.O.R.D. logo! And beekeeper..AIM?

    Lines like "the devil is in the details" "That's not the only place he is." come across as very foreshadowy to me. Or maybe red herring? But the LOKI trailer had a shot of a painting that looked like Mephisto so who knows!

    "It's the star of the show!" Is Vision even real, or just an Illusion like his magician name? Because in the actual MCU, Thanos killed him dead, so how's he back?

    AND WHO IS THE VOICE ON THE RADIO?! I thought it sounded like Chris Evans but my wife disagrees.

    Also funniest line "Is that how mirrors work?" "Shut up, Bev."

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    I zoned out a bit in the second episode, but the end seemed like it's (partly?) herself doing it (being able to rewind events), as a reaction / mental defense maybe, given how things went?

    She could have been trapped / tricked, but it feels like she has subconscious control.

    I thought it was fine overall, but the idea isn't clever enough to support itself unless they really move things along now. Like, for much of it you're just watching bad sitcom writing with a wink-wink, nudge-nudge attitude. Which still leaves you just watching bad sitcom writing - intent doesn't really add quality here.

    But maybe I'm just super over MCU stuff, so I dunno.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    I think they did a pretty good job making the "bad sitcom from the 50s" entertaining and peppered it with enough weird stuff to keep me on my toes. The second episode was definitely better, but also given how it ended with color kicking in I imagine it'll evolve pretty quickly.

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Yeah, and releasing the first two was probably to demonstrate that they're done with the initial setup, and can get a bit weird now. I'd be less interested if I'd only seen the first one.

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  • XantomasXantomas Heat level critical. Thermal threshold exceeded. Shutdown sequence initiated. Shutdown sequence ov.. Registered User regular
    I love the MCU, but I can't stand Vision, so I look forward to reading all about what happens and all the references and stuff here, haha

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Surreal. Immersive. Earth.Registered User regular
    WandaVision seems kind of... Disappointing to me. I'm not a fan of (or have any real nostalgia for) 1950's B&W sitcoms so I spent the whole of the first two episodes hoping they'd hurry up and reveal the real 'secret' behind what is happening.
    It's totally the whole 'trapped in a simulated reality - but also oh no amnesia' trope, isn't it? Including someone outside the simulation trying to contact them via the radio.

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  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    Second episode is already 60s (he smart assedly said)

    Point is that I think that at most 3 or 4 more TV sitcoms through the ages are upcoming.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    Debra Jo Rupp (Kitty from That 70s Show) is absolutely perfectly cast in this as the boss’s wife. It’s like she stepped right out of I Love Lucy.

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  • JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Cross post from the MCU thread:

    SO MUCH OMINOUS FORESHADOWING

    S.W.O.R.D. logo! And beekeeper..AIM?

    Possibly?

    But my first thought?
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    SWARM! The Nazi made of a swarm of bees. Especially considering the Strücker / HYDRA watch commercial in the same episode

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  • PiotyrPiotyr Registered User regular
    First episode was largely a homage to the Dick Van Dyke show, which originated in 1961. The opening credits, neighbor lady, dinner with the boss and wife, and the comment on the capri pants vs dresses for everyone else were right out of that.

    The second episode was much more Bewitched of 1964, with the nods there being the opening credits again, the outfits, the talent show magicians, and even the transition to color.

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    honovere wrote: »
    Second episode is already 60s (he smart assedly said)

    Point is that I think that at most 3 or 4 more TV sitcoms through the ages are upcoming.

    First episode was the 60s. They straight up recreated the set from the Dick Van Dyke Show which shows a deep level of thought into sets. Color Bewitched would be taking us into the 70s. It is a very clever way to demonstrate how the show is evolving though. I really like how they are so intentional with everything they are using.

    Wanda is very clearly in control, but I am not sure how conscious all the control is yet. The dinner scene from the first episode demonstrates this remarkably well. You have the boss and his wife start asking multilayered questions. Within their sitcom nightmare reality there were reasons to ask, but it also has reasons outside of it. They can just as easily be read as breaking through the reality bending powers going on to question their reality directly.

    Notably when the boss starts choking it gets really weird. It literally silences him, and we see his wife begging for it to stop. It keeps going until Wanda looks at the camera and tells vision to stop it. She is also looking directly at where Vision is sitting, but it seems super intentional how they set it up. They are dropping little hints along the way that she is actively shaping the events around her.

    The end credits seem to be having some fun with fan expectations as well. Right after they build a house it cuts to what I am pretty sure is supposed to be outlines of Wanda's and Vision's comic book headgear. Interestingly, to me at least, they also greatly resemble in design (but not color) the headgear of Polaris and Magneto. I am 99% certain this is me reading into it because I am primed for House of M references and actively looking for it. The other 1% of me is very giddy at the thought that it could be an easily overlooked reference.

    Edit: I also find it interesting that they are hinting at her having an increasingly strong control over the universe. The first episode takes place over 2 locations. Their home, and Vision in the office. Even then they show Vision clearly able to poke at the edges of the bubble. The second episode had her going to more locations across town and culminated in the color transition. I hope they keep building on that in subtle ways.

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  • PiotyrPiotyr Registered User regular
    I do have to hand it to the level of detail of the show, Bettany and Olson look like a copy of the Dick Van Dyke show:
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    AND a copy of Bewitched:
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  • southwicksouthwick Registered User regular
    We watched the first episode at lunch. My kids found it very "creepy".
    I have to agree that they did a good job of making certain parts, especially the boss choking, unnerving.

    Can't wait for more episodes. Honestly, the long break from all things Marvel has made me excited for the new shows and movies again.

  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    I did really appreciate they let Bettany channel his Chaucer character during the intro to the magic act.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    That’s two episodes of basically sitcom parody

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    That’s two episodes of basically sitcom parody

    Only at first glance. There is a lot of little things that poke at the uncanniness of it all. Them not knowing the answers to the questions the boss and his wife have, the dubious reason she asks those questions, why the wife begs Wanda to stop choking her man, why Vision wants to know what the company is actually doing. There is a lot going on besides mimicking a sitcom. Vision turning of the episode with the remote and someone watching the show also using a remote.

    And that's just the first episode.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    This series is only going to be like what, 7 30 minute episodes? I'm very happy that they're committing to the bit, especially when it's a bit that just not everyone is gonna like.

    Like my ongoing beef with a lot of the MCU is that they take whatever makes the particular story distinct - Spiderman is just a high school kid! Captain America's in a 70s espionage thriller! - and by the third act inevitably just turn it the same CGI smashfest. So I'm totally down for a limited run, weird as hell little series like this.

    Bettany is a great actor but vision was a boring as hell character, so it's great to see him finally get to play around and do stuff, I love that they actually committed to the 4:3 B&W for 2 full episodes, I love how they're playing around with the cinematography, although they do start cheating in ep 2, but even that feels like kind of a purposeful sign of the illusion slipping. I like how they have the "in-universe" special effects, like creating the ring or joining the beds together, versus stuff like Vision starting to fly, or the bits of color that sneak in.

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  • PiotyrPiotyr Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    This series is only going to be like what, 7 30 minute episodes? I'm very happy that they're committing to the bit, especially when it's a bit that just not everyone is gonna like.

    Like my ongoing beef with a lot of the MCU is that they take whatever makes the particular story distinct - Spiderman is just a high school kid! Captain America's in a 70s espionage thriller! - and by the third act inevitably just turn it the same CGI smashfest. So I'm totally down for a limited run, weird as hell little series like this.

    Bettany is a great actor but vision was a boring as hell character, so it's great to see him finally get to play around and do stuff, I love that they actually committed to the 4:3 B&W for 2 full episodes, I love how they're playing around with the cinematography, although they do start cheating in ep 2, but even that feels like kind of a purposeful sign of the illusion slipping. I like how they have the "in-universe" special effects, like creating the ring or joining the beds together, versus stuff like Vision starting to fly, or the bits of color that sneak in.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
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    Kana wrote: »
    This series is only going to be like what, 7 30 minute episodes? I'm very happy that they're committing to the bit, especially when it's a bit that just not everyone is gonna like.

    Like my ongoing beef with a lot of the MCU is that they take whatever makes the particular story distinct - Spiderman is just a high school kid! Captain America's in a 70s espionage thriller! - and by the third act inevitably just turn it the same CGI smashfest. So I'm totally down for a limited run, weird as hell little series like this.

    Bettany is a great actor but vision was a boring as hell character, so it's great to see him finally get to play around and do stuff, I love that they actually committed to the 4:3 B&W for 2 full episodes, I love how they're playing around with the cinematography, although they do start cheating in ep 2, but even that feels like kind of a purposeful sign of the illusion slipping. I like how they have the "in-universe" special effects, like creating the ring or joining the beds together, versus stuff like Vision starting to fly, or the bits of color that sneak in.
    Yeah, I really love the period-accurate practical effects like the jump cuts and the cheesy sparkle effects. It definitely sells the aesthetic. Even the sound mixing is dead on for those 60s shows.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    I did really appreciate they let Bettany channel his Chaucer character during the intro to the magic act.

    I absolutely came here to post this. I really wish there had been a Bettany Chaucer spin off tv series.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Anyway as someone who watched a lot of Nick at Night as a kid the throwback sitcom thing is totally working for me, and not even as a parody.

    Also it goes without saying but Debra Jo Rupp really does just make anything better, doesn't she?

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  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    honovere wrote: »
    Second episode is already 60s (he smart assedly said)

    Point is that I think that at most 3 or 4 more TV sitcoms through the ages are upcoming.

    Vision as Al Bundy and Wanda as Peggy? Yes please.

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Anyway as someone who watched a lot of Nick at Night as a kid the throwback sitcom thing is totally working for me, and not even as a parody.

    Also it goes without saying but Debra Jo Rupp really does just make anything better, doesn't she?

    Ya she fits so easily brain was trying to remember what actual old black and white show she was in, but she's just that seamless

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    That’s two episodes of basically sitcom parody

    Only at first glance. There is a lot of little things that poke at the uncanniness of it all. Them not knowing the answers to the questions the boss and his wife have, the dubious reason she asks those questions, why the wife begs Wanda to stop choking her man, why Vision wants to know what the company is actually doing. There is a lot going on besides mimicking a sitcom. Vision turning of the episode with the remote and someone watching the show also using a remote.

    And that's just the first episode.

    It's still mostly just fairly uninspired parody, and those moments aren't interesting enough to make up for the other 20 minutes of, 'yes, we get it, you're doing an American TV show satire'. So you're left watching the smarmy MCU version of 60 year old material.

    It's clear that Wanda is in a combination of being mind controlled, and mind controlling - she's being manipulated, but is subconsciously playing along to lessen the pain. If all they have are eras of US sitcoms, it's a hard pass. They have to get more creative from ep 3.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Seemed like Vision couldn't go "off script" and help the choking guy until Wanda told him to, eh?

    Also they're gonna finally give Wanda a proper super suit, by the look of the title card! Neat.

    Oh brilliant
  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Debra Jo Rupp (Kitty from That 70s Show) is absolutely perfectly cast in this as the boss’s wife. It’s like she stepped right out of I Love Lucy.

    Also is she immortal? Cause for 69 she looks amazing.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    I enjoyed the two eps, but am mostly tuning in to see what's really going on. I would have loved to be in the pitch meeting for this crazy thing.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Debra Jo Rupp (Kitty from That 70s Show) is absolutely perfectly cast in this as the boss’s wife. It’s like she stepped right out of I Love Lucy.

    Also is she immortal? Cause for 69 she looks amazing.

    She looks shockingly similar to how she did during that 70s show

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  • ManetherenWolfManetherenWolf Registered User regular
    man this show is fucking weird.

    As someone who grew up in the Nick @ Nite era of Dick van Dyke, etc. I really appreciate the level of detail in the recreations and parodies. It started off as "oh, they are playing it comedy with "weird stuff" and by the end of the first episode is started getting kinda creepy (and with several moments in ep 2).

    I get the feeling that all the "extras" are actually real people trapped in the illusion, but some of them are Sword monitors. unfortunately casting has kind of already spoiled who one of the people in there is.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    I don't know really anything about the casting, but it seems the only side character that seems to know for sure that they're a character is the Katherine Hahn character, the neighbor. Her name changed the first two episodes, so I don't know what it'll be next time.

    The other side character that seemed to be less "part of it" was the girl in the second episode, Deloris or Deborah or whatever, the got put in the box at the end. The way she asked how she got put there felt more like she was testing their answer? Or I was just reading into it too much.

    My current theory is that someone got ahold of Visions body post-Infinity War and is trying to "fix" it. Wanda is either trying to help but is kind of "lost" in Visions consciousness, or that it isn't actually Wanda, but an illusion that got put into Visions head when she put all her powers into destroying the mind stone. I know that part was "rewinded" but timey wimey whatever with the infinity stones, they may not fully ever reverse under the power of the time stone? I don't know.

    With the SWORD symbols being so blatantly obvious (the beekeeper had a SWORD logo on his back afaik, not sure where the AIM idea came from? Unless that sword is actually AIM, but that doesn't really make sense?) I imagine that's who's trying to repair Vision. Not sure what the Hydra/Strucker references was, could be many things. Vision was built with a crazy amount of tech, some of which could have originated with Hydra; but it could also just be as simple as Wandas memories expressing themselves?

    As far as the sitcom premise, I don't know. Just totally guessing, I think it might just be as simple as Wanda maybe watching those old shows a lot growing up? Or Vision watched them trying to be more human?

    Either way, Wanda seems to be trapped, whether or not it's actually Wanda, or echo of her, I dunno. Neighbor girl seems intent on trying to get her to "fit in" to the premise of the given sitcom, so that feels intentional.

    Though, even having said all of that, I'm fairly sure that Feige has said that this show is supposed to be kind of setting up the whole next phase of the MCU with all the multi/quantum/verse stuff, so I figure eventually that has to play in somewhere.

    I agree though, that they've set up the premise of the classic TV shows, they need to actually get into the overall story. With only 9 episodes, potentially pretty short (these weren't even 30m, the first was closer to the classic 23m sitcom length), they won't be able to have a full episode of just homage with a minute or two of mysterious hints. Carry on with the sitcoms, fine; but with only 7 episodes left, they've got to start actually getting into it. Judging from the trailer, I assume this will happen, but it's hard to say.

    Overall, I'm enjoying it. They did a good job of aping the sitcoms perfectly, but simultaneously making you perfectly aware that it isn't what it seems like. I'm trying to catch everything, because so much in MCU stuff means something; they rarely just throw things in there. Some of it I caught, some I couldn't figure out (their address being 2800, I assume, is related to something, but I just couldn't think of what it could be), but every time you almost forgot that you weren't just watching a classic sitcom, they'd throw something in to remind you that it isn't right. What's kind of funny is that given the premise of shows like I Dream of Genie and Bewitched, the idea of a magical wife married to a robot husband really isn't that wild for what might have been a show in the 60's. :rotate:

    Definitely will be watching these as they air. They're on our family movie night, and the kids liked these two episodes pretty well, even if they didn't totally understand the references. If they stay relatively short, it's something we can watch before an actual movie.

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  • zipidideezipididee Registered User regular
    I am here for all of this. I love the Nick at night nostalgia and I need to know what's really going on. This first salvo of marvel tv is a direct hit.

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    The second episode was doing funky things with color. Even before the big change when they're watching the beekeeper there were hints of color creeping into the shot. Really just trippy.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    The second episode was doing funky things with color. Even before the big change when they're watching the beekeeper there were hints of color creeping into the shot. Really just trippy.

    Thank you. I couldn't tell if that was my eyes fucking with me or there really were frames that would creep in color before that.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    There's a certain something where it feels like something completely horrifying could happen at any moment in this show.

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    The second episode was doing funky things with color. Even before the big change when they're watching the beekeeper there were hints of color creeping into the shot. Really just trippy.

    There were also little cracks in the sitcom facade each time, more modern sound mix and camera movements, subtle but added to the disconnect of those scenes.

    It's not really like watching an old sitcom, it's more like an SCP Wiki page on a creepy unreal sitcom that plays out different every time you rewind the tape.

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    The beekeeper is probably a reference to the old AIM costumes

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    The first blip of color I noticed was the toaster advertised in the first episode. The only connection I could make was the toaster was a Stark Industries product, and the red light was basically Iron Man red. After that it was the helicopter, the cut hand, and then eventually the full-color hit.

    I'm actually impressed with two things. Just how dedicated they are to "classic TV sitcom" angle, and the fact they don't seem to mind letting this all unpack slowly. Obviously the setting of the "show" progresses with the arc of the story, but whose story is it? Wanda seems to able to steer it, but Vision definitely has input as well. And what does "progress" mean in the context of the story? So far it seems like the timeline progresses as they become more like themselves; they seem to kinda start with the 50s-style perfect couple thing as their archetype but are already some 15-20 years down the timeline by the end of the second episode, complete with appropriate attire and furniture. They're also much more themselves at this point, with Wanda drifting well away from 50s housewife.

    It's a bit too much of a slow burn, I think, but at the same time it's interesting to see an MCU property that isn't just about heroes smashing things.

    My big bet is that this is less a "simulation" than Wanda using her mind control juice to try and get Vision back, except the damage is so extensive that it's dragged both of them into Vision's mind as they piece him back together. When we see the lab stuff at the end of the episodes, that's the two being monitored by SWORD on the Skrull-built space station that Fury heads up.

    All total conjecture at this point, but the show doesn't seem to have any problem keeping the details to itself.

    Zilla360kime
  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    The second episode was doing funky things with color. Even before the big change when they're watching the beekeeper there were hints of color creeping into the shot. Really just trippy.

    There were also little cracks in the sitcom facade each time, more modern sound mix and camera movements, subtle but added to the disconnect of those scenes.

    It's not really like watching an old sitcom, it's more like an SCP Wiki page on a creepy unreal sitcom that plays out different every time you rewind the tape.

    The entire style of the camera shots was markedly different between episode one and two. Episode one were the wide shots of early TV where (IIRC) stuff was shot live because there wasn't a great way to record TV stuff. The second episode had like close ups and stuff that were more common after shows were shot to tape and you could do multiple takes and stuff.

    Again, IIRC as I'm not a film buff or anything but I think that's meant to be an intentional thing.

    Hahnsoo1MatevNobeard
  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    So that was either Swarm or an AIM scientist in episode 2 in SWORD gear I'm assuming. The bees around him make me think Swarm. Backed by the Strucker commercial halfway through the episode.

    Matev
  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    The second episode was doing funky things with color. Even before the big change when they're watching the beekeeper there were hints of color creeping into the shot. Really just trippy.

    There were also little cracks in the sitcom facade each time, more modern sound mix and camera movements, subtle but added to the disconnect of those scenes.

    It's not really like watching an old sitcom, it's more like an SCP Wiki page on a creepy unreal sitcom that plays out different every time you rewind the tape.

    The entire style of the camera shots was markedly different between episode one and two. Episode one were the wide shots of early TV where (IIRC) stuff was shot live because there wasn't a great way to record TV stuff. The second episode had like close ups and stuff that were more common after shows were shot to tape and you could do multiple takes and stuff.

    Again, IIRC as I'm not a film buff or anything but I think that's meant to be an intentional thing.

    The end of the first episode has the frame very clearly shifting from 4:3 to widescreen as well. They even hokey up Wanda's abilities in the first episode. When she floats stuff around, it looks entirely like it's old-school "floating" objects on strings, complete with that old-school bouncy wobble.

    It would've been pretty easy for them to half-ass the sitcom stuff, but they really did their homework.

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