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The General [Coronavirus] Discussion Thread: Fauci's Return
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When the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
When the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
As the title states, this thread is for discussion surrounding covid and how it has affected us, our communities, others, and the world, while the updates thread is for information/updates about the virus itself.
Cite your sources and don't post bad or wrong or dishonestly-framed information; mod patience for this kind of thing is especially thin right now.
We've all had a terrible time of the past year, so try not to be jerks to each other.
Cite your sources and don't post bad or wrong or dishonestly-framed information; mod patience for this kind of thing is especially thin right now.
We've all had a terrible time of the past year, so try not to be jerks to each other.
And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
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Completely unsurprising and unfortunate.
Yeah. "Unclear". Uh huh.
CW: talk of suicide and self-harm
It sounds like CCSD is going to reopen, at least to a degree. There's only so much "doing the right thing" people can take after a while, especially in an area that is struggling so desperately economically with covid measures. My son's school has been open since September, very carefully because SNHD rules for opening private schools are quite strict. They've had very few issues, but even so we've kept him home. While our mornings go so much more smoothly this way and it's definitely a better start to his day, he's hurting in other ways and communication with his teacher has been abysmal. We will continue to keep him home until vaccine distribution picks up, but doing so is not without cost.
3.7 million out of 329 million Americans have tested positive since Jan. 6.
200 out of 25000 national guardsmen is well below the baseline.
Averaging 1.16m doses given over the last week now.
We have now crossed 1% of the population receiving their second shot. That number should shoot up in the next few weeks.
Hospitalizations down another 3k today. They are down 11.1% over seven days ago. My guess is this is the effect of vaccinating LTCF residents, which some states did as early as late December. It's hard to explain how quickly it's dropping without some sort of outside intervention.
Lowest case total since Nov. 29, the Sunday after Thanksgiving.
This is bullshit! I am objectively more important than him it’s right there in the rank dammit.
On the bright side, one down, nine more peeps in my div that need it.
I mean, hospitalizations are always going to follow the # of infections, and the daily average infections are down like 30% from 2 weeks ago. So it's not surprising. Also, a lot of the drop in hospitalization is simply the 3000+ who've been dying every day, sadly. Still a good trend, let's hope it continues.
I'm trying to phrase this the right way. Every death sucks and is terrible. But if people dying is what's clearing up hospital beds, that's fantastic news. It can't be a very large effect unless things are basically at the end.
Because only about 1 in 13 hospitalized COVID patients die (source: https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-death-rates-falling-treatments.html).
So if people dying is clearing out hospital beds and they aren't being replaced, that means new admissions are 1/13th as high as they were a few weeks ago and we're basically at the end right now.
They should be kept from mingling with outside units as much as they are able. We should contain any infection, but once we started deploying thousands of people to sleep in one building it was inevitable.
It should never have been necessary.
I know you've tried to explain and justify this, but it's still kind of a gross sentiment.
*shrug* I can only do so much about people's visceral reactions.
The truth is: Deaths are only a small part of clearing hospital beds right now, because the vast majority of hospitalized people do not die. The only reason it was even brought up is because people have a reflexive urge to downplay positive trends.
There’s a reason you literally cut in the middle of a paragraph. Because you wanted to make it look worse than it was.
In a world where “hospital beds are clearing because of people dying” is true, a *lot* fewer deaths happen in the next few months. Fewer deaths would be fantastic.
I have no doubt that people in this thread are going to willfully misinterpret this, but c’est la vie. In sure eventually I’ll get banned because people don’t like being told that hospitalizations have reached a tippling point or that the national guardsmen positive rate was actually lower than the national average so it wasn’t a super spread event. They have become addicted to their despair porn and want a place to vent their frustrations, truth be damned.
You absolutely can control how you present your input, though. I am positive you could have found a better way to frame your sentiment than "if people dying is what's clearing up hospital beds, that's fantastic news." Getting mean when you're told your framing sucks, and not the mention that people dying is why more hospital beds are free, is what will get you threadkicked, and it's unnecessary.
My bro is still quarantined on his ship. I really can't wait to see him, but I'm glad to know he's safe.
Maybe it isn’t. Maybe it’s not properly reflecting the lagging indicators that make up the progression of this disease, but as a layman watching growing numbers in dawning horror for the past year, seeing the Canadian recovered outpacing (at least when I looked at it) the new infections, it seemed like a better thing than, well, not to have that.
But we have a long way to go and are approaching a modest 2% of the population having received at least one dose of the vaccine (its under 100k to have both, and with the shipment cutbacks for now, I’m not expecting amazing jumps in that for a while yet), but I’ll hold onto whatever I can (healthily) and we’ll see what the spring and summer bring.
Tons of local news articles about it, and none of them have any information but the above, and that the sheriff is investigating. Which is borderline infuriating because the sort of people you'd expect to are jumping on it.
Between this bullshit and our ~50% vaccine usage rate Evers needs to not run for reelection in 2022. If WIDems put him back up he'll get slaughtered and deserve to be.
Tell them about your friend from the internet forum whose entire family didn't die after getting the vaccine. Oh btw my brother got called earlier today for his first dose due to being on the cancellation list. Between penny-arcade, facebook, and a few phone calls, I've spread the word about this as much as I reasonably can. Hopefully it's served at least a couple people as well as it has me. There's an article in the L.A. Times about "vaccine-chasers" who form queues and just, like, hang around major distribution centers. That seems like a crappy alternative that would only happen in the absence of a call list. At least the people queuing up look to be serious about wearing masks.
They have sequenced it to another person in isolation that was on the same floor of the hotel. That person is considered a recovered case and was due to leave isolation, but is being asked to stay for longer.
More details here
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/435147/covid-19-update-ministry-narrows-down-transmission-link-of-northland-case-to-miq
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My main point of irritation on this has been assorted NZers online blaming this woman for this, and ignoring that she has done everything correctly: since leaving quarantine, she has tracked her movements, and she has reported back for testing on showing symptoms. This should be a case study in acting responsibly, and a reminder to people to track their movements to avoid everything going south.
Very much this.
She did everything right. And as far as we know, so did MIQ staff.
But the anger in seeing is just a bit much
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That sucks, a lot, but is it his fault specifically? Actual question.
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Prisoners absolutely need to be prioritized near the top, because of the massive rate of spread that occurs within prisons and their surrounding communities as a result. The prisoners don't leave, true... but the guards, janitorial, office workers, and everyone else in there do, and there have been multiple outbreaks directly as a result of that both inside and outside the walls.
I do not envy anyone who has to prioritize distribution of a limited and life saving resource, there will always be losers and no way to make everyone happy in the short term; all you can do is try to save the most lives possible and math can be a cruel asshole.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Which is why (sadly) you have to make it not about them, but rather the people who work in prisons, and the families/friends/communities of people who work there. One asymptomatic infected prison guard spreads it to prisoners, who in turn spreads it to the janitor, who goes home and gives it to his wife and kids, and they give to to everyone at their church, and a handful of people die.
Prisons, like meat packing facilities, are breeding grounds for this stuff due to the enclosed spaces with little in the way of social distancing.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
California has lifted the stay at home order in all regions.
Department of Health Services is under the governor. So yes, 100%. And rather than actually use his authority he is being the type of off-beige bureaucrat you'd expect from the former head of the department of public instruction.
We've had 10s of thousands of vaccines sitting in storage for weeks. Even as screwed up as the federal distribution/production of them has been, we are still receiving them faster than we are giving them out.
Here is group 1b:
1a was long term care facilities, and health care workers-which somehow also included work from home support staff like billing people- plus police and fire.
There are basically 2 strategies to use.
Prioritize people who need to leave their homes for work (which is what I would have gone with) which shrinks the case load fastest or by age/comorbidities(focusing on nursing homes ect) - which minimizes total fatalities.
We are running the classic "find a compromise' non strategy system. Where we aren't prioritizing people who have to have exposure to work, nor are we prioritizing people who have enhanced risk. Instead we're just smattering our way through random groups, depending on which group is lobbying who, and doing a shit job of it.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I honestly think people who have provably already had covid should be at greatly reduced priority and I'm kind of mad about it. I've seen kicking around that the vaccine is more effective than having had it but you STILL get quite a bit of immunity and I think it's a horrific waste of a limited resource. I'm sure the people in charge have their reasons for not putting that filter in place and maybe it's even purely logistical, but not having that information myself I think it sucks.
I mean, also their sentence was prison. Not potential death via virus.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.