Penny Arcade - Comic - Oh, The Kansacity

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Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Hirohiko Araki, in his book Manga in Theory and Practice, remarks on life in the American midwest: "Wow, this sucks"

    ...Well, I'm paraphrasing. What he actually said was this.

    "Without going there yourself, it's impossible to comprehend the feeling of scale in the midwestern United States, where the scenery stretches on forever and unchanging . . . Say, for example, an enemy is approaching from afar. . . I was struck by the real sense that I could never make an escape from such an adversary; there was simply nowhere to hide. . . The scenery is mostly devoid of any ups and downs, and is dotted only by the occasional town with nothing to claim but chain stores. . . Rather than inspire thoughts of nature, it felt empty and lifeless and made me wonder if there was any fun to living there at all."

    He was researching Steel Ball Run at the time.

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    The hot tip I always share for people visiting the midwest and finding it boring:

    Get the fuck off the Interstate.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    But where would it's nest be?

    More likely you'd be dragged beneath the earth by a graboid.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    There's definitely some nicer bits, like the highway going through the Flint Hills.
    But yeah, I70 from eastern Colorado through western Kansas is basically devoid of visual stimulation.

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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    When I was maybe 10 or so my family decided to move from the east coast to the part of New Mexico that is essentially West Texas, dad had lined up a job there. I didn't know anything about it, I was just a kid... I packed up my stuff, got in the car, and fell asleep somewhere in Louisiana. Maybe it was east Texas, but one way or another I went to sleep in a world of trees.

    When I woke up, it was basically that middle panel. I was astonished! How can there be land, but no trees? It was like a ocean of sagebrush. And the sky! There was an unnatural amount of sky.

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  • beeftruckbeeftruck Registered User regular
    Cornfield country during the parts of the year where there are no stalks is some fun driving. You can see what little traffic there is from miles and miles away, and there's nowhere to put a speed trap even if there were any real reason to do so, which there isn't. Intersections and stop signs are indicated miles ahead of time.

    Google says this trip takes two hours? If it takes you more than ninety minutes you were probably being intermittently passed by angry farmers driving 25+ mph faster than you the entire way.

  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    beeftruck wrote: »
    Cornfield country during the parts of the year where there are no stalks is some fun driving.

    Yeah, but you left out that the most fun time to drive it is in the winter. During a blizzard. Ask me how I know.

    Most people think driving in the snow is bad. They don't realize how much worse it is when they snow that's already on the ground won't stay there.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Thunderstorms out on the plains are one of my favourite things.

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  • Radiated RoninRadiated Ronin Registered User regular
    There is a reason they call the midwest 'flyover states', because it's better to just fly over them. A cover shooter set in the plains sounds about as much fun as a Spiderman game.... in the plains.

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Someone said it, everyone pay up!

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    There is a reason they call the midwest 'flyover states', because it's better to just fly over them. A cover shooter set in the plains sounds about as much fun as a Spiderman game.... in the plains.

    They don't typically set cover shooters, especially ones like Division out in nature. They put them in cities because there's more ways to sprinkle convenient chest high walls around.
    This may surprise you, but the Midwest has cities.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I wonder if this will be survival mode which has been conspicuously absent from Div 2, and was my favorite mode from Div 1.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    There is a reason they call the midwest 'flyover states', because it's better to just fly over them. A cover shooter set in the plains sounds about as much fun as a Spiderman game.... in the plains.

    They don't typically set cover shooters, especially ones like Division out in nature. They put them in cities because there's more ways to sprinkle convenient chest high walls around.
    This may surprise you, but the Midwest has cities.

    To be honest, I wish more shooters were set out in nature.

    I just miss Battlefield 2, okay

  • KagatoACKagatoAC Registered User regular
    Tbh Im more afraid of the F2P aspect then anything else. Ubisoft is already over monetizing stuff in their games, I can't imagine what this will have for M$..

    But I registered for it on my Ps5 anyway. figured there's like 10 people who own one and play Division, oughta narrow down the field a bit. :)

  • T-DangerT-Danger Registered User regular
    But if Heartland is set in the desolate midwest, where will the endless supplies of cargo pants to grind for come from?

  • MarcinMNMarcinMN Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    This is an interesting conversation to me. Being born and raised in rural Minnesota, it was always an exciting thing if we took a trip to someplace with mountains and large forests. Since we flat-landers are often so impressed by mountains, I would sometimes wonder if the mountain folk were equally in awe of our vast flatness and "big sky." Now I see that it's not awe, but rather uneasiness and existential dread that they feel. I can't say I'm surprised since even our characteristic niceness can be off-putting to outsiders ;) :

    https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiO_S5AkwJk&ab_channel=CharlieBerens

    (I added a space after the https: because I just wanted the link and not a giant preview picture of the video...)

    As for me, I do still enjoy taking a nice road trip out west from time to time. But usually after a week or so of hitting up various National Parks, I start to get a been-there-done-that attitude around even the most majestic vistas of mountains and valleys. Usually by the time I get back to good old Minnesota, I welcome the vast green flatness. It often makes me think of old Bilbo, who went there and back again.

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    "It's just as I've always said. We are being digested by an amoral universe."

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  • ZomagicZomagic Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    I mean I'm pretty sure its just a joke based on a gross simplication of what common perception is of middle america.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    While it is an exaggeration, it's not like it's completely untethered from fact. Here's elevation maps of Washington and Kansas, using the same color coding:

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    (And for reference, they're about the same size states.)

    Even if you had "empty" areas of the kind of state they're used to, they'd still (usually) not be so "empty" as the same kind of place in Kansas. It's about extremes.

    (And yes, there are states that are even more monotonous in terms of elevation. But that's one facet along with cities, land use, and other geographical features.)

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  • RatherDashingRatherDashing Registered User regular
    Ubisoft....can I call you Oob? We had the conversation about picking appropriate settings for your themes and mechanics already. Remember that? When you chose a setting for your social stealth game about hiding in crowds and climbing around vertically developed cities, while representing an underdog group fighting oppressive power systems? And you picked mother-flipping Vikings invading Britain???

    Put a quarter in the jar, Oobi.

  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    To be fair, if you saw a vast featureless plain, you'd have no reason to assume something interesting exists on it when you can see with your own eyes there's nothing there. And if you have someplace to be you also don't have a reason to go wandering around the backroads until you find anything remarkable. You already know where the interesting stuff is- "not here."

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    I mean I'm pretty sure its just a joke based on a gross simplication of what common perception is of middle america.

    Well yeah it's a joke, but, and I hope I don't sound too thin-skinned about this (though I'll admit I'm totally thin-skinned about this): It's a very, very, very, very, very tired joke.

    Like, I legitimately cannot interact with someone from either coast without them reciting one variation or another of the Midwest being "flyover country" or talk about how we don't have any good food here, or how the land is so flat, and it's fucking exhausting and tiresome.

    I'm not saying T+G shouldn't have made the joke, but I definitely rolled my eyes, and I definitely would have maybe placed an actual bet on how soon the words "flyover country" graced the thread if I thought anyone would have actually been dumb enough to take me up on that action.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    I mean I'm pretty sure its just a joke based on a gross simplication of what common perception is of middle america.

    Well yeah it's a joke, but, and I hope I don't sound too thin-skinned about this (though I'll admit I'm totally thin-skinned about this): It's a very, very, very, very, very tired joke.

    Like, I legitimately cannot interact with someone from either coast without them reciting one variation or another of the Midwest being "flyover country" or talk about how we don't have any good food here, or how the land is so flat, and it's fucking exhausting and tiresome.

    I'm not saying T+G shouldn't have made the joke, but I definitely rolled my eyes, and I definitely would have maybe placed an actual bet on how soon the words "flyover country" graced the thread if I thought anyone would have actually been dumb enough to take me up on that action.

    But, and stop me if you've heard this one... many people who live on the coasts have been to the midwest and are quite confident it IS terrible, based on comparison to having been in civilization.

    What is this I don't even.
  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    I mean I'm pretty sure its just a joke based on a gross simplication of what common perception is of middle america.

    Well yeah it's a joke, but, and I hope I don't sound too thin-skinned about this (though I'll admit I'm totally thin-skinned about this): It's a very, very, very, very, very tired joke.

    Like, I legitimately cannot interact with someone from either coast without them reciting one variation or another of the Midwest being "flyover country" or talk about how we don't have any good food here, or how the land is so flat, and it's fucking exhausting and tiresome.

    I'm not saying T+G shouldn't have made the joke, but I definitely rolled my eyes, and I definitely would have maybe placed an actual bet on how soon the words "flyover country" graced the thread if I thought anyone would have actually been dumb enough to take me up on that action.

    But, and stop me if you've heard this one... many people who live on the coasts have been to the midwest and are quite confident it IS terrible, based on comparison to having been in civilization.

    Okay, and maybe bear with me for a sec cause this is a bit of an advanced concept.

    Calling a gigantic portion of the country, which many people live in, including your fellow forumers, people such as say myself, not civilization, is a really shitty thing to do, you colossal goose.

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  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    I mean, if we're being honest, T&G didn't pass judgment on the fact that there's a great deal of the midwest which is featureless. They just remarked on how unnerving it was to them.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Yeah, I didn't have a problem with the comic. I enjoyed it. I have often made my own jokes about our lack of topography.

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  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    I mean I'm pretty sure its just a joke based on a gross simplication of what common perception is of middle america.

    Well yeah it's a joke, but, and I hope I don't sound too thin-skinned about this (though I'll admit I'm totally thin-skinned about this): It's a very, very, very, very, very tired joke.

    Like, I legitimately cannot interact with someone from either coast without them reciting one variation or another of the Midwest being "flyover country" or talk about how we don't have any good food here, or how the land is so flat, and it's fucking exhausting and tiresome.

    I'm not saying T+G shouldn't have made the joke, but I definitely rolled my eyes, and I definitely would have maybe placed an actual bet on how soon the words "flyover country" graced the thread if I thought anyone would have actually been dumb enough to take me up on that action.

    But, and stop me if you've heard this one... many people who live on the coasts have been to the midwest and are quite confident it IS terrible, based on comparison to having been in civilization.

    Stop.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Zomagic wrote: »
    An author I like- I can't put my finger on which- actually brings this up in a book I was reading recently. People assume that this is how the heartland looks because it's how the HIGHWAY looks. This is a sad oversight on Gabe/ Tycho's part, for not even like, doing a cursory Googling. The entire reason the highway goes through that part of the heartland is because there was nothing in the way of building the road there. The REST of the place can be quite nice, and has lots of trees and people. It's kind of sad how many people think "This is what Kansas looks like" because they've been down the interstate and literally nothing else.

    I mean I'm pretty sure its just a joke based on a gross simplication of what common perception is of middle america.

    Well yeah it's a joke, but, and I hope I don't sound too thin-skinned about this (though I'll admit I'm totally thin-skinned about this): It's a very, very, very, very, very tired joke.

    Like, I legitimately cannot interact with someone from either coast without them reciting one variation or another of the Midwest being "flyover country" or talk about how we don't have any good food here, or how the land is so flat, and it's fucking exhausting and tiresome.

    I'm not saying T+G shouldn't have made the joke, but I definitely rolled my eyes, and I definitely would have maybe placed an actual bet on how soon the words "flyover country" graced the thread if I thought anyone would have actually been dumb enough to take me up on that action.

    I hear where you're coming from. Sometimes jokes get so old they make you kind of angry. Especially if you actually care about the thing they're making fun of. I'm from Alabama, but I don't get annoyed at the jokes because I don't give a single shit about Alabama. In fact, let me help with poring on the mockery. But yeah, you don't seem to have quite that relationship with your home.

  • areadmgareadmg Proper Cat Aurora, CORegistered User regular
    Lived in Missouri, drove through Kansas and Oklahoma frequently.

    I like Kansas because I can see for miles in the empty horizon and can see police cars miles and miles away.

    So, I hit top speed on I70 between Topeka to Salina and then Salina to Coby. Because I take advantage of the environment.

    The horrible terror birds? If you're driving with another person.. they aren't an issue until night falls. Because you can see them and try to out drive them.

  • SonicAutumn SonicAutumn Registered User new member
    Must take place in the midwest. Plenty of cover to find here in Colorado, for example

  • v2miccav2micca Registered User regular
    Seriously, it’s like you guys have never played an UbiSoft game. They aren’t about to let something like actual real world geography get in the way. They will cut and paste parts of the Appalachians with sections of the Mississippi River, with a Dash Iowa cornfields, and a pinch of the Rockies.

    Just play Farcry 5 which was apparently set in the part of Montana that shares a border with Arkansas and Alabama.

  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    The comic was cute, whatever. Not a new joke, but giant terror birds are fun.

    The comments calling much of the united states flyover country that shouldn't be visited and doesn't qualify as civilization are, well. Those "jokes" suck. And this comes from someone who was born on an island that has better coasts, more interesting topography, and less pollution than whatever nonsense you east or west-coasters can boast.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    They'll probably zazz it up a bit for the actual game.

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  • cckerberoscckerberos Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    v2micca wrote: »
    Seriously, it’s like you guys have never played an UbiSoft game. They aren’t about to let something like actual real world geography get in the way. They will cut and paste parts of the Appalachians with sections of the Mississippi River, with a Dash Iowa cornfields, and a pinch of the Rockies.

    Just play Farcry 5 which was apparently set in the part of Montana that shares a border with Arkansas and Alabama.

    I mean, that's pretty par for the course from any developer.

    Sucker Punch gave Tsushima a warm south and a frozen north, despite the two areas being less than 40 miles apart.

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  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    The comic was cute, whatever. Not a new joke, but giant terror birds are fun.

    The comments calling much of the united states flyover country that shouldn't be visited and doesn't qualify as civilization are, well. Those "jokes" suck. And this comes from someone who was born on an island that has better coasts, more interesting topography, and less pollution than whatever nonsense you east or west-coasters can boast.

    Folks hate being lectured to and hearing brags especially at the same time, and it's nice you were able to avoid that in making your point, whatever it was

  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    The comic was cute, whatever. Not a new joke, but giant terror birds are fun.

    The comments calling much of the united states flyover country that shouldn't be visited and doesn't qualify as civilization are, well. Those "jokes" suck. And this comes from someone who was born on an island that has better coasts, more interesting topography, and less pollution than whatever nonsense you east or west-coasters can boast.

    Folks hate being lectured to and hearing brags especially at the same time, and it's nice you were able to avoid that in making your point, whatever it was

    Thanks!

  • areadmgareadmg Proper Cat Aurora, CORegistered User regular
    I know that people call the middle of the country "Fly Over."

    But we refer to the coasts as "Fly Away From" places.

    Which, face it, is what you're doing half the time when you're "flying over."

  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    Sometimes they aim and miss on the jokes. I agree with some folks here that this joke was a miss.

  • PALaxxPALaxx Registered User regular
    As someone who lives in "flyover country" and has driven to California and Florida, flew to New York multiple times, has been in Colorado more than once... you can all keep them. My home state may be "boring" and "uncivilized", but the rest of the country seems so stuck up their own back holes about everything.

    We may not get paid that much to live here, but at least I can afford a decent 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom home with a basement that costs less per month than a tiny studio apartment on the 5th floor of a building surrounded by abandoned structures. If "civilization" is "rampant homelessness and dilapidated infrastructure", then I don't want it.

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