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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    NBC

    GOP Sen. Mike Rounds tells me he wants a bipartisan commission focused on just 1/6 — and that if other issues need to be investigated they can decide that later. “We clearly had an insurrection on that particular day, and I don't want it to be swept under any rug,” he says.

    Interesting. Rounds was NOT one of the seven senators who voted for impeachment. If we assume they all vote for this commission, then we're already at eight and only would need two more to get it past cloture/filibuster.

    He's also a dyed in the wool conservative (anti abortion, anti climate, anti prison reform, anti ACA).

    So... now a RINO?

    Can't believe they let a communist into the republican party.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    NBC

    GOP Sen. Mike Rounds tells me he wants a bipartisan commission focused on just 1/6 — and that if other issues need to be investigated they can decide that later. “We clearly had an insurrection on that particular day, and I don't want it to be swept under any rug,” he says.

    Interesting. Rounds was NOT one of the seven senators who voted for impeachment. If we assume they all vote for this commission, then we're already at eight and only would need two more to get it past cloture/filibuster.

    McConnell has expressed support for it. And given how much trust I have in McConnell following through on his word... we only need two more to get past Cloture.

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    The dumbasses claiming they are auditing ballots accused Arizona of destroying evidence several days ago.

    Turns out they're just too incompetent to handle a RAID array. They had all the data but their settings were wrong so it wasn't visible

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/arizona-republican-audit-database-not-deleted/

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    TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    The dumbasses claiming they are auditing ballots accused Arizona of destroying evidence several days ago.

    Turns out they're just too incompetent to handle a RAID array. They had all the data but their settings were wrong so it wasn't visible

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/arizona-republican-audit-database-not-deleted/

    LMFAO!

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    The dumbasses claiming they are auditing ballots accused Arizona of destroying evidence several days ago.

    Turns out they're just too incompetent to handle a RAID array. They had all the data but their settings were wrong so it wasn't visible

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/arizona-republican-audit-database-not-deleted/

    The sad thing is, most of the reports of malfeasance and stupidity won't matter.

    The people that believe it was a good idea will ignore it, and focus on what Trump and this company say, not what they can prove. And if the media do a fucking "Barr interpreting the Mueller report" straight acceptance of the initial "findings", I'm gonna fucking scream.

    The people who thought it was a stupid idea will have their suspicions confirmed. Everything about this has been a clusterfuck.

    The people who aren't paying attention, will just see the reports, and mistake the blowing of smoke, for fire. That there was a controversy about the election, and that the controversy (at best) has not been resolved.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    The dumbasses claiming they are auditing ballots accused Arizona of destroying evidence several days ago.

    Turns out they're just too incompetent to handle a RAID array. They had all the data but their settings were wrong so it wasn't visible

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/arizona-republican-audit-database-not-deleted/

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Not sure if this is considered coup aftermath related or separate in the fractal nature of Trump scandals, but...
    CNN wrote:
    New York Attorney General Letitia James is joining the Manhattan district attorney's office in a criminal investigation of the Trump Organization, James' office said Tuesday.

    The attorney general office's investigation into the Trump Organization, which has been underway since 2019, will also continue as an ongoing civil probe, but the office recently informed Trump Organization officials of the criminal component.
    "We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. We are now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA," James' spokesman Fabien Levy told CNN. "We have no additional comment."

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/new-york-attorney-general-trump-organization-criminal-probe/index.html

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Not sure if this is considered coup aftermath related or separate in the fractal nature of Trump scandals, but...
    CNN wrote:
    New York Attorney General Letitia James is joining the Manhattan district attorney's office in a criminal investigation of the Trump Organization, James' office said Tuesday.

    The attorney general office's investigation into the Trump Organization, which has been underway since 2019, will also continue as an ongoing civil probe, but the office recently informed Trump Organization officials of the criminal component.
    "We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. We are now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA," James' spokesman Fabien Levy told CNN. "We have no additional comment."

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/new-york-attorney-general-trump-organization-criminal-probe/index.html

    I believe that's the tax evasion/money laundering related ones. So it's likely only coup related in that Trump needed the Presidency to avoid prosecution, and maybe if it's found that it's Russian related.

    The whole Trump Organization is clearly a web of criminality that can be tied to everything, but isn't necessarily always about everything.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    NBC

    GOP Sen. Mike Rounds tells me he wants a bipartisan commission focused on just 1/6 — and that if other issues need to be investigated they can decide that later. “We clearly had an insurrection on that particular day, and I don't want it to be swept under any rug,” he says.

    Interesting. Rounds was NOT one of the seven senators who voted for impeachment. If we assume they all vote for this commission, then we're already at eight and only would need two more to get it past cloture/filibuster.

    McConnell has expressed support for it. And given how much trust I have in McConnell following through on his word... we only need two more to get past Cloture.

    My clock is running smoothly.
    WaPo wrote:
    McConnell comes out against Jan. 6 commission, imperiling its chances of becoming law

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-comes-out-against-jan-6-commission-imperiling-its-chances-of-becoming-law/2021/05/19/60de1f52-b8b3-11eb-a5fe-bb49dc89a248_story.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    I'd have trouble being a Democrat in the Senate, because the restraint they must have to not be screaming at Manchin and Sinema (and anyone else they know to be holdouts), "HOW THE FUCK CAN'T YOU SEE HOW IN BAD FAITH THESE FUCKERS ARE?" at least once an hour, isn't in my psychological makeup.

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    I'd have trouble being a Democrat in the Senate, because the restraint they must have to not be screaming at Manchin and Sinema (and anyone else they know to be holdouts), "HOW THE FUCK CAN'T YOU SEE HOW IN BAD FAITH THESE FUCKERS ARE?" at least once an hour, isn't in my psychological makeup.

    Last Thursday Kyrsten Sinema literally asked Chuck Schumer how they were going to pass election reform. (Link).

    She might be as thick-headed as Ron Johnson.

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    AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Democrats: "Hey we can do this commission and subpoena people on our own but let's make the commission worse and weaker so you can get in on this."
    Republicans: "Kindly neck yourselves."
    Democrats: *Whelmed, reflexive hand-wringing*

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    I'd have trouble being a Democrat in the Senate, because the restraint they must have to not be screaming at Manchin and Sinema (and anyone else they know to be holdouts), "HOW THE FUCK CAN'T YOU SEE HOW IN BAD FAITH THESE FUCKERS ARE?" at least once an hour, isn't in my psychological makeup.

    Last Thursday Kyrsten Sinema literally asked Chuck Schumer how they were going to pass election reform. (Link).

    She might be as thick-headed as Ron Johnson.

    I don't read it as her being unaware of the situation, I read it as her being sadistic.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Yeah to yell at Sinema they’d need to find her first

    Anyway, the GOP backtracked on this because Trump told them to

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Yeah to yell at Sinema they’d need to find her first

    Anyway, the GOP backtracked on this because Trump told them to

    I love how they declared it slanted and unfair after they already completely neutralized it by getting most of the remands about the thing. It's not like it was going to investigate anything, given it wasn't allowed to issue subpoenas.

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    On phone, but Capital Police released a letter laying into the GOP for resisting an inquiry

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    On phone, but Capital Police released a letter laying into the GOP for resisting an inquiry

    The irony of the Blue Lives Matter fuckknuckles siding against police, shows that like the military, farmers and rural constituents, those are only alliances of convenience, easily bussable.

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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    On phone, but Capital Police released a letter laying into the GOP for resisting an inquiry

    On the list of stupid things the GOP has done, pissing off the people responsible for their protection has got to be up there

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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    man at this point, maybe we just forget about a commission and do a special prosecutor instead
    see how the republicans like that shit

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    On phone, but Capital Police released a letter laying into the GOP for resisting an inquiry

    The irony of the Blue Lives Matter fuckknuckles siding against police, shows that like the military, farmers and rural constituents, those are only alliances of convenience, easily bussable.

    They only like the "blank" that do what they want them to do

    There, there's a mad lib for every contradiction Republicans have

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Yeah to yell at Sinema they’d need to find her first

    Anyway, the GOP backtracked on this because Trump told them to

    I love how they declared it slanted and unfair after they already completely neutralized it by getting most of the remands about the thing. It's not like it was going to investigate anything, given it wasn't allowed to issue subpoenas.

    I think for this investigation, subpoena power wasn't particularly important. There are plenty of people happy to talk to them about what happened, and the Justice Department can likely get at the ones who are reluctant for the criminal inquiry.

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    tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    Thread title also got me thinking of "Things that make you go [Coup]" as an alternate pun.

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    Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    man at this point, maybe we just forget about a commission and do a special prosecutor instead
    see how the republicans like that shit

    Can the justice department still appoint a special prosecutor unilaterally?

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    [Coup] de villain

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Thread title also got me thinking of "Things that make you go [Coup]" as an alternate pun.

    Coup coup ba-doop
    Coup ba-doop
    Coup ba-doop ba-doop ba-doop

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    [Coup] de graceless

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Yeah to yell at Sinema they’d need to find her first

    Anyway, the GOP backtracked on this because Trump told them to

    I love how they declared it slanted and unfair after they already completely neutralized it by getting most of the remands about the thing. It's not like it was going to investigate anything, given it wasn't allowed to issue subpoenas.

    I think for this investigation, subpoena power wasn't particularly important. There are plenty of people happy to talk to them about what happened, and the Justice Department can likely get at the ones who are reluctant for the criminal inquiry.

    There are plenty of people not happy to talk to them about what happened who would need to be compelled to, and the Republicans are actively shielding them.

    They'd do so anyway, but without subpoenas they don't need to worry about being on the record about it.

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    zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Chicken [Coup]

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    [Coup]. Like from a butt

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    So 35 republicans voted for the inquiry, pretty bipartisan

    Still short on cloture, but the Dems can just make the GOP eat that cause they don’t need the senate to actually subpoena people

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    I love the special counsel idea as leverage.

    Just, go back room with Mitch and tell him this is happening and he has a choice in the matter - he can let the commission happen, or Merrick fkn Garland, a man who goes after white supremacists for breakfast, can appoint a special counsel to dig in with unilateral access.

    Put him in a corner in private, make him squirm, and watch him fold. He absolutely would.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    And then appoint a special counsel anyways.

    Fuck you, Mitch.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    So 35 republicans voted for the inquiry, pretty bipartisan

    Still short on cloture, but the Dems can just make the GOP eat that cause they don’t need the senate to actually subpoena people

    True, but the Supreme Court decided the House has no authority to enforce their subpoena's, so that's a moot point now.

    It's the Senate or nothing.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    So 35 republicans voted for the inquiry, pretty bipartisan

    Still short on cloture, but the Dems can just make the GOP eat that cause they don’t need the senate to actually subpoena people

    True, but the Supreme Court decided the House has no authority to enforce their subpoena's, so that's a moot point now.

    It's the Senate or nothing.

    Probably the only person who they might want to testify who wouldn’t comply is McCarthy and I don’t know if I’d be too broken up about him eating all the shit that would come with that

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    So 35 republicans voted for the inquiry, pretty bipartisan

    Still short on cloture, but the Dems can just make the GOP eat that cause they don’t need the senate to actually subpoena people

    True, but the Supreme Court decided the House has no authority to enforce their subpoena's, so that's a moot point now.

    It's the Senate or nothing.

    Probably the only person who they might want to testify who wouldn’t comply is McCarthy and I don’t know if I’d be too broken up about him eating all the shit that would come with that

    McCarthy is like McConnell, he's stuck purely because he wants power and prestige. As well as fearing a white cross burning on his lawn if he doesn't play his part.

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    And then appoint a special counsel anyways.

    Fuck you, Mitch.

    This is the way.

    Mitch is a coward at heart. The Senate didn't go full deep during the coup, he can, should, and wouldfeed McCarthy et all into the woodchipper to save himself.

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    zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    And then appoint a special counsel anyways.

    Fuck you, Mitch.

    This is the way.

    Mitch is a coward at heart. The Senate didn't go full deep during the coup, he can, should, and wouldfeed McCarthy et all into the woodchipper to save himself.

    Yup, making the GOP Senate directly in conflict to the GOP House and having to choose sides is probably our best chance at the entire Republican party burning down.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    and that's why McConnell would probably not want to let it happen.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Manchin continuing to play the part of naive dipshit.


    "Manchin says he believes there’s still a “very, very good chance” the Senate passes a bill forming a 1/6 commission. But he seemed resistant to changing House-passed bill, noting Democrats already made several concessions. “How much more can you do?”"
    - Igor Bobic is a political reporter for HuffPo.

    You can vote to remove the filibuster, you feckless shit.

    Seriously, it's like that Onion article about mass shootings. "No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens". He has the power to do so, and McConnell only gets away with this shit because he's confident Manchin won't move on removing the filibuster.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I am so tired of our de-facto Senate Majority leader.

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