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[Trump Org]'s Business Is Criming. And Business Is Good.
MorganV
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With mod permission, I'm opening up a thread into the varying related crimes alleged, investigated, charged, and hopefully tried and convicted, against the Trump Organization and it's members.
The reason for wanting the thread, was the news that Letitia James has increased the scope and severity of the various reported investigations into Trump's financials, including alleged fraud, tax evasion, and other crimes, has stepped from civil investigations, into criminal ones.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-organization-now-subject-to-criminal-investigation-in-new-york-cnn-2021-5?r=US&IR=T
"Trump Organization now subject to criminal investigation in New York, state attorney general's office tells CNN"
This thread should probably only be used for those civil, and now criminal charges related to non-governmental (ie, any congressional/federal obstruction of justice charges not related to their business), or the insurrection. There are threads for those already.
Stuff like Rudy, Gaetz, or the Big Lie court cases (Powell and Wood) should probably go elsewhere. Else we'll be hitting the centennial page limit every couple days.
The reason for wanting the thread, was the news that Letitia James has increased the scope and severity of the various reported investigations into Trump's financials, including alleged fraud, tax evasion, and other crimes, has stepped from civil investigations, into criminal ones.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-organization-now-subject-to-criminal-investigation-in-new-york-cnn-2021-5?r=US&IR=T
"Trump Organization now subject to criminal investigation in New York, state attorney general's office tells CNN"
This thread should probably only be used for those civil, and now criminal charges related to non-governmental (ie, any congressional/federal obstruction of justice charges not related to their business), or the insurrection. There are threads for those already.
Stuff like Rudy, Gaetz, or the Big Lie court cases (Powell and Wood) should probably go elsewhere. Else we'll be hitting the centennial page limit every couple days.
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Enough hot water at least to tie up what resources he has and make a mess of things for the rest of his unnatural life would suffice too, but I’m daring to hope a little bit, no matter how many folks want to “ummm actually” about it, don’t @ me.
At a minimum it's going to get tied up in the courts, and Trump won't be going to NY any time soon. And of course all the cronies will claim it's a political hit job because Dems don't like Trump.
I am curious, what does NY actually him physically present for? It'd be nice to get him in a courtroom and under oath, but I don't see that happening.
Even if Desantis was to put out the militia signal to do a bunkerville style stand off with New york (and NY didn't call in the Fed to help them bring trump in), this would effectively make trump a permanent resident of Florida in that he wouldn't be able to exit the state without running the risk of being arrested.
Based on my casual reading of wikipedia it wouldn't really apply under these circumstances, though it should be noted that this would likely get it kicked up to the federal level at which point (as I stated earlier) Trump either becomes a permanent resident of the florida county he is sitting in or risks being arrested for outstanding warrants.
That having been said, I can't see it being that hard to arrest trump. All they'd have to do is arrange with the secret service to have his helicopter ride detour and shit's over for him.
Good luck running a 2024 campaign in that situation.
"Financial crimes" took down capone and countless other criminals.
Capone was beloved by many of the people of chicago and the rest of the country besides so proportionatley he would have had comparable levels at one point as well as the ability to bribe just about any judge in the country.
And he went down.
Further, this trial isn't being done in anytown usa, this is happening in NY where I'm willing to bet even local republicans despise trump.
Popehat is popular Twitter lawyer Ken White, who podcasts and argues with nearly anyone on the internet that post the word "RICO" unironically.
But I certainly hope they try their damnedest
It's also important to remember that the closer you get to trump with your convictions, the better your chances that someone flips; I seriously doubt any of his kids are willing to do time for daddy.
I hear she's being considered for a part in an film about this that's about to start production!
Really, the only good news is that odds are it exposes the Trump Org to massive liabilities and Trump's fortune comes crashing down with it. It's worth pointing out that he's been doing the same shit with all of his foreign golf properties and so far, only Scotland has caught on. But if the Trump Org gets exposed in the US I imagine the dominoes will fall with the foreign governments too.
Don't forget though that he still has to deal with the defamation lawsuit from Jean Carroll too that is slowly creeping through the legal system. And there's also the Georgia investigation into his illegal attempt to the influence the Georgia election results. (Though that will probably just end up with a sternly worded report and no charges.)
Who the fuck would take the fall for trump? Like, assuming you could convince a court that this dude was behind all the shenanigans and trump was an honest man caught up in a web of lies, why in the hell would anyone go along with that for a man who is never going to pay them back for it?
We keep on saying who could be stupid enough to be his Fall Guy. But then more people keep on leaping on that grenade.
Trump would need to lose election in 2024 before we'd have the possibility of seeing people turn on him, otherwise they're just going to assume they'll get pardons when he's president again.
No one who is in a position to take the hit for this is going to be naive/loyal enough to eat shit for trump since there is nothing in it for them and none of them are going to want to evacuate the gravy train.
More likely trump's kids introduce him to the underside of the bus.
There's been a lot of effort put in over the last few decades to decouple intelligence and success.
Someone who doesn't have a choice. Basically I'm saying that someone in the Trump Org will end up being the one that was overseeing all the fraud and they will be unable to prove Trump told them to do it. And Trump will lie like he usually does and claim this was a case of a rogue operator whose activities Trump had no idea about.
Again, I'm pretty sure anyone who is that far up the food chain is going to be able to prove trump was involved; they'll have e-mails, notes, recordings and a DA that wants trump's head on a wall more then someone in middle management.
Hell, his kids might just back a play to oust daddy if it means they can start running the show without him.
Trump was sitting president when those things happened and can't replicate those feats again for a minimum of 4 years.
Which beings me back to the point where unless he loses 2024, they're going to continue to believe a pardon is in the cards.
Unless republicans are able to seat a governor in NY trump winning or not is moot.
I’m not sure how any scenario that involves Trump winning the presidency again could be considered “best case.”
I think he meant for Trump