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Let's talk about the mystery around [UAPs] and UAP Senate Hearing
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https://youtu.be/ZBtMbBPzqHY
https://www.space.com/ufo-report-military-dod-to-congress-next-monthIn 2017, after he had left his position with the U.S. government, Mellon gave three recently declassified Navy UFO videos to the New York Times, the CBS news program "60 Minutes" reported on Sunday (May 17). The Times then published a blockbuster story about the videos and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), a Pentagon project tasked with investigating such sightings.
Mellon told "60 Minutes" that he took this step because he was concerned that not enough was being done to investigate UFOs, or UAPs ("unidentified aerial phenomena"), as they've been rebranded in U.S. military parlance.
"It's bizarre and unfortunate that someone like myself has to do something like that to get a national security issue like this on the agenda," Mellon told "60 Minutes" reporter Bill Whitaker.
And it is indeed a national security issue, U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told Whitaker. "Anything that enters an airspace that's not supposed to be there is a threat," Rubio said. After all, the reported UAPs might be some kind of advanced aircraft developed by an adversary nation such as Russia or China. (Mellon told Whitaker that the vehicles were definitely not developed by the Pentagon.)
That's not the only possible explanation, of course. For example, experts have also suggested that the sightings might arise from issues with the Navy jets' instruments (although pilots report seeing the UAPs with the naked eye as well). And then there's the idea that the UAPs could represent some sort of alien technology. Occam's Razor may relegate this idea toward the bottom of the list of possibilities, but it remains there nonetheless.
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2314065/establishment-of-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-task-force/On Aug. 4, 2020, Deputy Secretary of Defense David L. Norquist approved the establishment of an Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force (UAPTF). The Department of the Navy, under the cognizance of the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, will lead the UAPTF.
The Department of Defense established the UAPTF to improve its understanding of, and gain insight into, the nature and origins of UAPs. The mission of the task force is to detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security.
So! Something is flying around the airspace in the US (and elsewhere) and sounds like the government is finally starting to sit-up and take notice. With the high profile leaking of several now infamous UAP videos captured by the US military, the truth seems to not only be out there, but really close to us as well. The UAP taskforce marks the first government program to take these things seriously since the Blue Book program decades ago (there was a brief program in 2007 that was shuttered quickly), meaning they are now actively investigating and cataloging evidence to gain a better understanding of what's in our air (and water...).
https://www.history.com/news/uss-nimitz-2004-tic-tac-ufo-encounter"It's white. It has no wings. It has no rotors."
"It didn't fly like an aircraft. It was so unpredictable—high g, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration."
"I didn't see a trail."
"It was going 70-plus knots underwater."
https://abc7.com/ufo-capabilities-60-minutes-interview-uss-nimitz-uap-task-force/10652053/"These aircraft -- we'll call them aircraft -- are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of," Elizondo said of objects they researched. He says he resigned from the Defense Department in 2017 in protest over the secrecy surrounding the program and the internal opposition to funding it.
But in reality, interest in the Pentagon's handling of reported unidentified flying objects has more to do with ensuring any potential national security implications are being taken seriously -- whether they are of this world or not.
"It doesn't matter if it's weather balloons, little green men, or something else entirely - we can't ask our pilots to put their lives at risk unnecessarily," Rachel Cohen, spokeswoman for Democratic Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, told CNN in 2019 after senators received a classified briefing from Navy officials on unidentified aircraft.
So what do y'all think? Either way I'm not sleeping ever again
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I thought the, "UFO' thing, was debunked when it was confirmed it was "Midget Russian Pilots" that were flying "UFOs".
Plus, I'm going to go with the"UFOs", are future , unmanned piloted ,"Future Stealth Bombers", that our country has been developing.
People don’t know what they see. Drones don’t teleport 60miles but look like they do when they fly 100 feet
That's not what happened. The person didn't see it, they watched it vanish and radar picked it up nearly instantly 60 miles away. No human craft could do that without catching fire and exploding from the friction. You can question things that have been documented, but as far as we know they happened as presented and we're talking military personnel who are familiar with many kinds of aircraft.
They aren't doing this for attention, they're expressing real concern about what exactly is happening in our airspace, specifically around aircraft bases around the US.
Military personnel have been fooled by perspective shenanigans before, and verifying that the radar signature was the same thing as the one they picked up before and not something else is tricky.
I'm not saying that's outside the realm of possibility at all, but people suggesting that we shouldn't investigate these things because of excuses like that don't fly for me. If these people can be trusted to fly and operate dangerous machinery, why can't they be trusted when they say something strange is happening? I find it a bit paradoxical, because they have not much to gain from coming forward with this information but immediately get scrutinized as saying just outright crazy things. I'm not even suggesting it's of alien origin, but something is happening that makes people in our government and military very worried, enough to form a taskforce to take it seriously.
If it is of human origin, that's still worth knowing and researching
Also let's say that it is human error. Until you do a proper investigation, you can prove that. Also it's something you want to verify and see if there is some condition that results in numerous people making the same error and seeing the same things. Again, if people see weird objects that can teleport 60 miles instantly and it's human error, but the report is consistent among multiple personnel that aren't collaborating. You do want to know what set of circumstances can create that outcome and how to mitigate it because it could cause problems down the line.
One scenario is that you have combat going on and limited means to send support to your forces on the field that might need support. You don't want people getting killed or maimed because some visual quirk under certain conditions or some other factor that causes mass hallucinations results in limited assets being sent out to deal with a phantom threat, when they could have been used elsewhere.
This gets into my pet peeve with UFO stuff. You have one group that goes all in on the idea that it must be aliens, which it very likely isn't. They you get another group that refuses to do any investigation because there is no way in hell that it could be aliens, so why fucking bother. Both groups are pretty fucking wrong on why you should investigate. Doesn't matter if it's little green men or the planet farting out balls of plasma or people messing up and seeing similar things as some sort of stress induced hallucinations. You investigate it because you don't know what it is and you want to figure what it truly is and what is causing it and possibly ways to prevent it from happening if it could be a potential problem down the line.
But unpredictable, sharp, impossible movements sounds a lot like a sensor glitch. It could be something, just not anything that could be described as an aircraft.
Because the starting point refuses to even consider the most likely explanations, so when the investigation finds those things it'll be rejected and used as a cause for more investigations.
When in reality it's most likely something like this:
plus a drone or aircraft that's not where they expected it to be.
Sensors are finicky and even people can see shit that isn't there or not what you think.
The military tests or does shit and denies it out of principle even when its harmless.
Civilians get up to all kinds of shit and people make up stuff for attention.
Oh yeah, the earth is crazy and does random/ confusing/ cool stuff.
Well. We have investigated them... that is what the documents in question are. We just couldn’t get a definitive answer on what they were... which is fine. Though I am not sure we need Congress to do anything about it.
But what is not fine is thinking that aliens is more likely than just human error.
They saw something yards in front of them and then it teleported 60 miles and showed up on radar?
If it was big enough to show up on radar 60 miles away it would have been fucking huge and you would have gotten an exact description
The actual answer is that long range visual software identified the “tictac” and loses track of it when the visual aid system shifts from 7 to 8 degrees left
Yeah, there's no reason that I can think of for any actual craft (alien or otherwise) to act like that, even if it's capable of it.
That's why I'm alarmed you guys aren't taking it seriously? Because everyone seems to be so casual about dismissing it when we're just now starting to take it seriously enough to go and figure out what's happening
Because so far there's nothing presented worth really taking seriously.
Unrelated but amusing- one of the pilots reporting the 2004 incident you talked about? Has a history of trying to get people to make UFO reports by fucking with them at night.
https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/06/ufos-hoaxed-by-military-pilots.html
(links to an interview, text below)
The DoD released a set of reports about weird aerial phenomena before budget talks to justify an increase in funding for the Space Force.
Real mode:
Looks weird as hell, I’ll be interested to read the official report eventually but right now I’m just tossing it under the “huh” category. Much like the last time when that Blink 182 guy got a USAF video of weird aerial phenomena.
The pentagon already investigated. I don’t think Macro Rubio will have much to add. (This report is the one he requested when he was head of the intelligence committee)
The government has not only acknowledged it's happening but that they don't know what they are or what is happening. They've formed a Taskforce specifically to present a report to the Senate next month. It's worth discussing in that at the very least, taxpayer dollars are going to investigate what could be a grave national security concern. Nothing has been done for literal decades about these things because people are so against asking for more, asking questions, being curious, and yes asking the government to take it more seriously. You can't take that context and then shake the lack of evidence around like gospel, when people have stigmatized getting that evidence for years
It sucks that Rubio is one of the only stooges taking this seriously but I'm glad someone is. Broken clocks and all that. End of the day, all I'm looking for is more information and transparency about what's happening, which I think is fairly reasonable place to start.
Just because the government doesn't know what it is doesn't mean it's something interesting. Looking into weird stuff like that will presumably turn up something, but it's most likely to be "turns out a partially-deflated weather balloon looks real weird on radar". That's why I'm dismissing it. Aliens are always weather balloons, and FTL engines are always measurement error. The moment we have a non-blurry photo of something obviously abnormal, I'll take an interest, but for now, I don't see the point in getting excited over this.
It's less about getting excited and more so treating it with respect and having a process to figure things out. It doesn't sit right with me offhand dismissing things because they fly in the face of what we're all used to. Just because something is fantastical at first glance doesn't mean we can't treat the subject seriously. Being skeptical is fine, but it's the assumption it's nothing that annoys me. Assuming things doesn't get results, it just becomes bickering about specifics of situations instead of getting to the meat of the problem.
I am not sure the US can actually do more to keep up with threats, if our current levels of spending on R&D missed teleportation.
Yeah if this is suggesting that because we spend too much on defense that we can't also worry about potential threats idk, that's just a level of defeatist attitude I can't get down with. It's bordering on whataboutism, because yes we the US spends entirely too much on the military, and probably could also stand to take their airspace more seriously. Both things can be true. Especially because most of the military budget goes into the pockets of people not really worried about defense and instead keeping the US as the world police.
To be fair, it’s pretty far down the tech tree.
I bet Wakanda knows what the deal is. Does the US have an Embassy there? Can we just ask them or are people still not supposed to know about them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos
Definitely worth a look for the curious
So too me, the UFO crowd gets annoying because they keep harping "it's aliens" and that kills pushes to better investigate these things. Also since the oligarchs have gotten more power, there is probably a push by them to kill this stuff because they can only look at the world in a way that gets them what they deem to be guaranteed profits. Thing is, if my hunch is right, from a national security standpoint, you do want to know if the equipment and/or software is creating weird visual artifacts and then how you can minimize risk those pose to a mission. Ideally, you want something that filters them out, but if you can't, to be able to identify when weird occurrence isn't some exotic technology that an attacking enemy is unveiling, it's the equipment/software acting up and you should ignore that blip that teleported 60 miles out.
For the stress thing. Similar deal, you want to mitigate it because it could result in somethin going pear shaped. Also the stress thing, if it exist would be something you'd want to study because it could very well be a sign that the individual showing it could come down with worse issues in the future.
If it's like ball lightning or some weird visual mirage created by the atmosphere under certain conditions. There is value in knowing that. Not just in the fact that it'll prevent people from flipping the fuck out over a known threat, but sometimes the knowledge you glean from something deemed trivial could be a cornerstone to future discoveries and insights that end up being very impactful on society. No, I don't think any of that stuff is ever going to lead to FTL or other exotic technology and it's probably the planet doing weird shit that they likely are already somewhat aware of, but don't fully get what causes it.
Now I'll concede that we are likely dealing with a certain level of hearsay. From a security standpoint, if my equipment and/or software is creating weird visual artifacts of shit that doesn't exist, I don't want to make that public because for all I know, it might lead to some adversary finding a way to turn it against me in a conflict. Likewise, some people screaming that not enough is being done, are probably people that will always believe that either not enough is being done and/or the government is covering it up the existence of aliens. When at worst the government is just covering up a flaw with equipment or software that they don't want to be public.
I mean, let's be real. Unless there are aliens that are really, really, really good at hiding form us, which isn't impossible, but seems very, very, very unlikely. I just don't see how anyone successfully covers that shit up because someone will successfully leak out definitive proof for one reason or another. Given that such a scenario hasn't happened and given that I highly doubt any nation would successful keep super advance tech hidden, while willfully refusing to reap the benefits of said technology. I mean most tech is has duality, in that it can be used as a powerful weapon of violence, but can also be used to super charge the civilian and economic aspects of a nation. I just really don't see someone sitting on super tech to have as a trump card in a war, when it's something that could revolutionize travel and hell, don't see anyone succeeding in keeping it under wraps either. So again, I'm going to conclude most of this is going to be mostly mundane and a bit might range into "hey, the planet does some weird shit or a stressed out mind can do some interesting things." I highly doubt it's going to be aliens or exotic techs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_matter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark–gluon_plasma
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200506/zero-gravity.cfm
I'm going to go with whatever he says is almost certainly bullshit.
Wouldn't in atmosphere FTL cause a massive heat build up from air friction?
FTL is impossible, so no one knows what it would do. But if you had to accelerate to C, without magic shielding? Very Large Boom.
https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/