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Australian & NZ Politics: Woke Sushi

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited April 30
    I feel like the judges should get some directed protests then? Like if they’re too thick to recognise the dangers of intimate partner violence in this situation there needs to be some sort of accountability. If not in direct laws and guidelines then in specific public pressure on them because it’s getting absurd. I mean I understand there is a danger of having people languishing in jail with their bail denied who might not deserve it but the opposite problem is killing women

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Albanese has made a real clown of himself by fronting the protest and demanding to speak. Naturally there is a record of the "I am the prime minister" line, while you don't confirm you're actually going to do literally anything.

    Good job Albanese.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    It just boggles my mind what he was thinking. Like if you have some legislation or a plan to get something done call a press conference, otherwise what the hell are you doing.

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    Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    edited April 30
    Oh yeah, the domestic violence laws in this country (crikey) are fuuuuucked. Here's a fun thing I learned about Domestic Violence Orders (DVO) recently thanks to sheltering a friend with one against his partner... they expire. And if the offender hasn't actually, provably breached the order in any way in the time it was in effect? Well that's that, everything goes back to normal and they are now free to show up at your house, your place of work, contact you by phone or email e.t.c and there's not a damn thing you can do about it unless they actually offend again. Its only after repeated violations that you can apply to have the order made permanent. Thankfully in our case his ex is a fucking idiot who breached the order multiple times in easily-provable ways and he was able to get the order made permanent, but I shudder to think of a situation where the offender wasn't a fucking idiot and knew how to bend the law in their favor.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    The Australian government and premiers have announced a 1 billion dollar package to address issues around gendered violence.

    Most notably is aid to help abused women leave their partners and a - long overdue - crackdown on AI generated deep fake porn.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    The porn angle here is a waste of time and money though. What they're arguing for is "let's do age verification on porn users". Which (1) has never worked, and (2) tends to be a privacy nightmare.

    But then there's the important part which is (3): it hardly seems like "porn" is the leading cause here when it comes to problems compared to the fact that it's perfectly legal for an influencer to go online and push a bunch of harmful ideological bullshit without showing a single naked person at all.

    The leading complaint I see from teachers is about the pervasiveness of Andrew Tate's words: or frankly the complete cover that the entire Liberal party gives to the exact same bullshit.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
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    I still think we probably need (more? Not sure if this has already started) consent teaching in schools, and models of positive sexual relationships.
    Otherwise we seemed to be leaving most of that discovery and expectation setting to what kids find in porn or other fiction.
    And porn is bad for that.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
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    I still think we probably need (more? Not sure if this has already started) consent teaching in schools, and models of positive sexual relationships.
    Otherwise we seemed to be leaving most of that discovery and expectation setting to what kids find in porn or other fiction.
    And porn is bad for that.

    While I'm inclined to always agree yes, just because in retrospect good god was my high school sex education classes terrible (the internet has improved a lot since those days - i.e. while I can point to influencers being awful, they're schism creating - there's at least as much, if not more push back, and lots of better attempts to educate now) there's also a bit of a, in my opinion, "we all know who the problem is, but no one's going to do anything".

    Like "awareness" has the issue that you can be perfectly aware, and accomplish nothing because do people imagine a guy is rocking up at the bar and saying "I totally slapped my chick around for mouthing off" and receiving applause for that from strangers? Or is it more likely that sort out a peer group who laud them for it? Or more likely, don't tell anyone and instead post vague misogynist screeds on Twitter threads?

    "We need men to be aware..." very often feels like it's shorthand for "...actually we don't want to require anything from police or judicial or political authorities, so we're re-badging this as an everyone problem". Like even the "we need more X" in schools is just us doing the "let's ask teachers to just do more, cheaply" thing.

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    AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
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    I still think we probably need (more? Not sure if this has already started) consent teaching in schools, and models of positive sexual relationships.
    Otherwise we seemed to be leaving most of that discovery and expectation setting to what kids find in porn or other fiction.
    And porn is bad for that.

    While I'm inclined to always agree yes, just because in retrospect good god was my high school sex education classes terrible (the internet has improved a lot since those days - i.e. while I can point to influencers being awful, they're schism creating - there's at least as much, if not more push back, and lots of better attempts to educate now) there's also a bit of a, in my opinion, "we all know who the problem is, but no one's going to do anything".

    Like "awareness" has the issue that you can be perfectly aware, and accomplish nothing because do people imagine a guy is rocking up at the bar and saying "I totally slapped my chick around for mouthing off" and receiving applause for that from strangers? Or is it more likely that sort out a peer group who laud them for it? Or more likely, don't tell anyone and instead post vague misogynist screeds on Twitter threads?

    "We need men to be aware..." very often feels like it's shorthand for "...actually we don't want to require anything from police or judicial or political authorities, so we're re-badging this as an everyone problem". Like even the "we need more X" in schools is just us doing the "let's ask teachers to just do more, cheaply" thing.

    I heard that football players were going to form a circle and stand in silence for a minute to raise awareness of violence against women, and I don't understand what that's meant to accomplish. It feels like they want to fix the problem, but don't understand the problem or what is required to fix it, so they hope they can just gesture at the problem and let someone else handle it.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    I'll be especially blunt: Men are more than "aware" of the issue, it's that a good chunk of them don't think the problem they are "aware" of is real. Symbolic gestures of awareness are not what is going to change that.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/516276/free-school-lunches-year-7-students-and-above-to-shift-to-alternative-model

    Fuck you, you hateful bigoted shitgoblin.
    While primary school aged students will continue from February to receive the same lunches prepared on site or delivered daily, an alternative provision model will begin for students in year 7 and above.

    That programme will be bulk purchased by the government and delivered to schools, which Seymour said would "significantly reduce the cost of the programme".

    "Students will receive nutritious food that they want to eat. It will be made up of the sorts of food items thousands of mums and dads put into lunch boxes every day for their kids - forget quinoa, couscous, and hummus, it will be more like sandwiches and fruit," Seymour said.

    When asked about food items like sushi for lunches, he said,"If you don't get that sushi's woke, then I don't know how to wake you up, but the key message here is that we are introducing the kinds of foods that are put in the lunchboxes of children, the other 75 percent of kids, who rely on their parents to send their lunch".

    But when questioned by a reporter about Japanese children and what is normal for them to eat, Seymour said schools would still have the ability to choose what food they ordered and decide how many lunches their school needed.

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    AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    "If you don't get that sushi's woke, then I don't know how to wake you up"

    He wants to wake us up... which would make us woke. He's a socialist!

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited May 8
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/516276/free-school-lunches-year-7-students-and-above-to-shift-to-alternative-model

    Fuck you, you hateful bigoted shitgoblin.
    While primary school aged students will continue from February to receive the same lunches prepared on site or delivered daily, an alternative provision model will begin for students in year 7 and above.

    That programme will be bulk purchased by the government and delivered to schools, which Seymour said would "significantly reduce the cost of the programme".

    "Students will receive nutritious food that they want to eat. It will be made up of the sorts of food items thousands of mums and dads put into lunch boxes every day for their kids - forget quinoa, couscous, and hummus, it will be more like sandwiches and fruit," Seymour said.

    When asked about food items like sushi for lunches, he said,"If you don't get that sushi's woke, then I don't know how to wake you up, but the key message here is that we are introducing the kinds of foods that are put in the lunchboxes of children, the other 75 percent of kids, who rely on their parents to send their lunch".

    But when questioned by a reporter about Japanese children and what is normal for them to eat, Seymour said schools would still have the ability to choose what food they ordered and decide how many lunches their school needed.

    My current theory of the world is that COVID brain-damaged an absolute ton of people, mostly politicians. It's how I retain some faith in mankind.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Woke Sushi is one of the most braindead things I've ever heard come out of a NZ politicians mouth. One of the reasons I like Sushi is usually because it's actually pretty cheap!

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    How could it....ever be woke? I don't even understand what is woke about it. It's just rice.......

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    How could it....ever be woke? I don't even understand what is woke about it. It's just rice.......

    It's comes from a country that isn't white. That's it. When you hear people like that say "woke" insert a random racial slur and it'll make sense.

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Long, long long drawn out sigh.

    Fuck you Seymour
    Fuck you Luxon
    Fuck you Peters
    And an extra special fuck you hipkins, sarden and labour for being such spineless cowards with a majority that you squandered it and left us open to these shit heels

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    People like him are emotionally stunted into the 80s.

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    ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    People like him are emotionally stunted into the 80s.
    Look, kids will have luncheon and watties tomato sauce sandwiches, and they will LIKE IT.

    (I totally loved luncheon and tomato sauce sandwiches when I was a kid, but as an adult I absolutely recognise it's not exactly an ideal lunchbox)

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Whistleblower David McBride was sentenced today to almost 6 years in prison for leaking information of war crimes committed by members of the Australian military to the ABC which led to investigations and at least one soldier charged with a war crime.
    David McBride, 60, was sentenced in a court in the capital, Canberra, to five years and eight months in prison after pleading guilty to three charges including theft and sharing with members of the press documents classified as secret. He had faced a potential life sentence.
    Rights advocates argue that McBride's conviction and sentencing before any alleged war criminal he helped expose reflected a lack of whistleblower protections in Australia.
    McBride addressed his supporters as he walked his dog to the front door of the Australian Capital Territory Supreme Court to be sentenced.

    "I’ve never been so proud to be an Australian as today. I may have broken the law, but I did not break my oath to the people of Australia and the soldiers that keep us safe,” McBride told the cheering crowd.


    McBride’s documents formed the basis of an Australian Broadcasting Corp. seven-part television series in 2017 that contained war crime allegations including Australian Special Air Service Regiment soldiers killing unarmed Afghan men and children in 2013.

    Police raided the ABC’s Sydney headquarters in 2019 in search of evidence of a leak, but decided against charging the two reporters responsible for the investigation.
    An Australian military report released in 2020 found evidence that Australian troops unlawfully killed 39 Afghan prisoners, farmers and civilians. The report recommended 19 current and former soldiers face criminal investigation.

    Police are working with the Office of the Special Investigator, an Australian investigation agency established in 2021, to build cases against elite SAS and Commando Regiments troops who served in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016.

    Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz last year became the first of these veterans to be charged with a war crime. He is accused of shooting dead a noncombatant man in a wheat field in Uruzgan province in 2012

    Also last year, a civil court found Australia’s most decorated living war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith had likely unlawfully killed four Afghans. He has not been criminally charged.
    Human Rights Watch’s Australia director Daniela Gavshon said McBride’s sentencing was evidence an Australia’s whistleblowing laws needed exemptions in the public interest.

    “It is a stain on Australia’s reputation that some of its soldiers have been accused of war crimes in Afghanistan, and yet the first person convicted in relation to these crimes is a whistleblower not the abusers,” Gavshon said in a statement.

    “David McBride’s jail sentence reinforces that whistleblowers are not protected by Australian law. It will create a chilling effect on those taking risks to push for transparency and accountability – cornerstones of democracy,” she added.

    It is some bullshit that he is going to jail over this, or if he were not to be pardoned or have his sentence commuted.

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    Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    Absolute fucking bullshit. The guy reporting actual goddamn war crimes gets jailed, meanwhile the people who actually did the war crimes are still walking free.

    Pretty fucking disappointed in Labor for this one. Specifically campaigned on better protections for whistleblowers, then recommended jail when they could have just... not done that. Absolute fucking shitheels.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    I still can't believe the only thing that's come of that was one of the clowns self owning himself in a defamation trial *he* brought forward. Even then no actual accountability, just humiliation.

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