The official stance on consecutive posts is the same as the stance on sarcastic or bad faith replacements: fucking go for it, buddy, just don't be surprised if it blows up in your face in 55 pages when the entire thread is conspiring against you for acting like a tool
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
Clarifying: Does the list lock at the end of page 99, the first post of page 100, the last post of page 100, or the first post of page 101?
i believe it locks when the thread does
Threads lock at the whims of mods, not at page 100. Page 100 is an unofficial rule unless a mod sets a Geth edict.
-When this thread is locked at Page 100 (ish), that's it, no more debating about the top 50 ever, you had your chance.
In the spirit of you stabbing a bunch of stuff earlier to protest for rules clarity, I do think that "the game ends when a mod gets to the thread after somebody reports it for page count" is less exciting than "the thread explicitly ends at this specific point we all agree on in advance." It also gives slightly more ability to hash out the inevitable cross contamination of stabs and adds in the last few posts.
Crap. Wait, point of order, is that FFXIV distinct from FFXIV: Endwalker?
I'd think if you list a game, you automatically include everything under it. No one listing FFXIV is thinking of the first release, I imagine.
I think there are probably examples where this doesn't quite work; for instance I'm pretty sure you could argue that e.g. X patch of Runescape around 2007, Runescape now, and Runescape Classic (2007scape) are all distinct games. For FFXIV, I don't think anybody's going to bat for a specific expansion that hard though.
(I did consider posting a specific Crawl patch in bad faith).
The official stance on consecutive posts is the same as the stance on sarcastic or bad faith replacements: fucking go for it, buddy, just don't be surprised if it blows up in your face in 55 pages when the entire thread is conspiring against you for acting like a tool
Stop stabbing one for another y’all. We can have two great things on this list you know?
So let’s remove something awful like an open world game.
Remove Morrowind.
Add Final Fantasy Tactics.
Animal Crossing
Betrayal at Krondor
Burnout 3: Takedown
Celeste
CrossCode
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Curse of Monkey Island
Dark Souls II
Disco Elysium
DJMAX Respect V
Dragon Force
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup.
Earthbound
Escape Velocity: Nova
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XIV
FJORDS
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Katamari Damacy
Last Blade 2: The Heart of the Samurai
Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Pathologic 1
Persona 3 FES
Portal
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Record of Lodoss War -Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth-
Rock Band 3
Satellite Reign
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
System Shock 2
Terraria
Tex Murphy Under A Killing Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Undertale (PC)
Vagrant Story
Wizardry
Yakuza 0
List edited to reflect the street fighter change.
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edited January 2022
I have a lot of respect for Wizardry, so I'm gonna quantify this a bit.
Remove: Wizardry
Add: Wizardry - Tale of the Forsaken Land
Atlus(aka "Racjin") decided to mix classic Wizardry with JRPG elements and make what I consider to be the definitive Wizardry experience, also helping to kick off Japan having made more Wizardry games than the country that founded it.
The music, story, and atmosphere are all top-notch, and make for a great RPG experience both in its own right and as a homage to its predecessors.
For clarity, I nominated the current Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn with all relevant expansions, the version of the game so popular that it's now unplayable, rather than the original Final Fantasy XIV, the version of the game so unpopular that it's now unplayable.
I'd probably also go with third strike but I think 4 makes good sense
to do a complete 180 from the argument i've been making for the past hour it was pretty influential in repopularizing fighting games and making them more popular with mainstream audiences again
but yeah no third strike deserves to be on the list for Evo Moment #37 alone
Evo Moment #37 is just such a perfectly banal title for it and it still gives me goosebumps to watch it.
I ate an engineer
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edited January 2022
I guess it's time for me to throw my Castlevania of choice onto the list
Remove Record of Lodoss War -Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth
Add Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Animal Crossing
Betrayal at Krondor
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Celeste
CrossCode
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Curse of Monkey Island
Dark Souls II
Disco Elysium
DJMAX Respect V
Dragon Force
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup.
Earthbound
Escape Velocity: Nova
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XIV
FJORDS
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Katamari Damacy
Last Blade 2: The Heart of the Samurai
Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Pathologic 1
Persona 3 FES
Portal
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Rock Band 3
Satellite Reign
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
System Shock 2
Terraria
Tex Murphy Under A Killing Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Undertale (PC)
Vagrant Story
Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land
Yakuza 0
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
no, I'm not okay with cutting the only Elder Scrolls game that actually deserves a spot
remove: Wizardry Tale of the Forsaken Land
add: Morrowind
Animal Crossing
Betrayal at Krondor
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Celeste
CrossCode
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Curse of Monkey Island
Dark Souls II
Disco Elysium
DJMAX Respect V
Dragon Force
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup.
Earthbound
Escape Velocity: Nova
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XIV
FJORDS
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Katamari Damacy
Last Blade 2: The Heart of the Samurai
Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Pathologic 1
Persona 3 FES
Portal
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Rock Band 3
Satellite Reign
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
System Shock 2
Terraria
Tex Murphy Under A Killing Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Undertale (PC)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 0
I'm trying to think of the worst possible bad faith addition to the list and what I've come up with would basically be to last-page immortalize a forumer-developed game that publicly imploded.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
I don't have anything against Tale of the Forsaken land specifically, but I had a post all typed up to cut Wizardry anyway, so this was the easiest way to avoid needing to pick something else
I'd probably also go with third strike but I think 4 makes good sense
to do a complete 180 from the argument i've been making for the past hour it was pretty influential in repopularizing fighting games and making them more popular with mainstream audiences again
but yeah no third strike deserves to be on the list for Evo Moment #37 alone
4 did the hard yards bringing the franchise to eports. The Daigo vs Infiltration set in 2012 is one of my most watched videos. But if you asked anyone I know to actually play a match? It's gonna be a close tie between third strike and alpha 3
I'm trying to think of the worst possible bad faith addition to the list and what I've come up with would basically be to last-page immortalize a forumer-developed game that publicly imploded.
Personally I wound up not experiencing Morrowind on launch and then discovering that I can get sucked into Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 type games for a while but exit with no real good or bad memories of them, so I'd be fine cutting it, but don't want to just spite remove it without thinking through a suitable replacement.
Which Street Fighter is the one where you pick Dhalsim and spam low kicks until your friend gets annoyed and decides to switch to Mario Kart which is what you wanted all along and your plan worked perfectly
I'm trying to think of the worst possible bad faith addition to the list and what I've come up with would basically be to last-page immortalize a forumer-developed game that publicly imploded.
I'm trying to think of the worst possible bad faith addition to the list and what I've come up with would basically be to last-page immortalize a forumer-developed game that publicly imploded.
Godamnit Speed I was just about to put that in and now it won't be funny to do.
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I don't really like any of the Elder Scrolls games, but I respect them enough to allow them to stick around.
But if a series is gonna be on the list, let it be the best one.
Remove: Rock Band 3
Add: Rock Band 2
For me, this is the game at its peak, especially the presentation, Harmonix went to great lengths to make you feel like you were really living a live show, or even a music video at times.
Animal Crossing
Betrayal at Krondor
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Celeste
CrossCode
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Curse of Monkey Island
Dark Souls II
Disco Elysium
DJMAX Respect V
Dragon Force
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup.
Earthbound
Escape Velocity: Nova
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XIV
FJORDS
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Katamari Damacy
Last Blade 2: The Heart of the Samurai
Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Pathologic 1
Persona 3 FES
Portal
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Rock Band 2
Satellite Reign
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
System Shock 2
Terraria
Tex Murphy Under A Killing Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Undertale (PC)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 0
Which Street Fighter is the one where you pick Dhalsim and spam low kicks until your friend gets annoyed and decides to switch to Mario Kart which is what you wanted all along and your plan worked perfectly
Which Street Fighter is the one where you pick Dhalsim and spam low kicks until your friend gets annoyed and decides to switch to Mario Kart which is what you wanted all along and your plan worked perfectly
All of them. The one without Dhalsim has Costco Brand lightning Dhalsim. His punches have the power of kicks.
Morrowind is Garbage. I’d spend every post removing it from the list if I could.
It was my first open world game, and it taught me that open world games are garbage full of empty promises, hollow worlds, sound and fury signifying nothing.
My character took a side job working for the guards, and that lead to a quest chain of utterly boring and asinine missions doing more guard missions. And I slowly rose up through the ranks, it was a boring, boring grind. But at the end of it I challenged the head of the guard to a duel, defeated him and replaced him.
I walked into the main city, the city in which I controlled and ran the entirety of the guard, and a guard sees me and says “Stop stranger!” Stranger? I am your fucking boss. Your pay comes from me . I own you. Bow to me peasant.
But of course none of that happened or mattered because Morrowind, and it’s open world ilk, are sprawling empty miles, only filled with emptier promises of a living world that is smoke and mirrors held together by duct tape and dreams.
I'd probably also go with third strike but I think 4 makes good sense
to do a complete 180 from the argument i've been making for the past hour it was pretty influential in repopularizing fighting games and making them more popular with mainstream audiences again
but yeah no third strike deserves to be on the list for Evo Moment #37 alone
For clarity, I nominated the current Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn with all relevant expansions, the version of the game so popular that it's now unplayable, rather than the original Final Fantasy XIV, the version of the game so unpopular that it's now unplayable.
Feel free to add whatever subtitle to the list.
That would be Endwalker again, if someone would correct it the next time they update.
I wish people would stop axing the dungeon crawlers.
Morrowind is Garbage. I’d spend every post removing it from the list if I could.
It was my first open world game, and it taught me that open world games are garbage full of empty promises, hollow worlds, sound and fury signifying nothing.
My character took a side job working for the guards, and that lead to a quest chain of utterly boring and asinine missions doing more guard missions. And I slowly rose up through the ranks, it was a boring, boring grind. But at the end of it I challenged the head of the guard to a duel, defeated him and replaced him.
I walked into the main city, the city in which I controlled and ran the entirety of the guard, and a guard sees me and says “Stop stranger!” Stranger? I am your fucking boss. Your pay comes from me . I own you. Bow to me peasant.
But of course none of that happened or mattered because Morrowind, and it’s open world ilk, are sprawling empty miles, only filled with emptier promises of a living world that is smoke and mirrors held together by duct tape and dreams.
Garbage.
oh well if you're a fan of empty promises
asinine missions
boring grinds
smoke and mirrors
garbage
lies?
friend, let me tell you about Star Citizen, a game where you can be grifted in ways you can't even imagine
Continuing my tradition of adding games that only I would add:
Stab Shadow Tactics: Blade of the Shogun. I found this game to be far too finnicky to control, and think that the squad stealth aspect underwhelmed. It delivered less on interesting and tense stealth moments and more on feeling like I was trying to do Starcraft custom map micro trainers a lot of the time, and while the game avoiding a simple grid system was neat conceptually, it just led to stealth actions feeling a little too fuzzy; beating missions because I feel like I sort of waggled into a maybe intentional but probably unintentional line is not as enjoyable as clearly knowing I did the right stealthy thing. Add Iji. Iji is a freeware Metroidvania game released by Daniel Remar. Exploration is a joy, with secrets abounding for the clever player and multiple paths through the levels. It's also one of the more adaptive Metroidvanias I've seen, with significant differences in both Iji's character and how things play out depending on whether you choose to play lethally or non-lethally, and has pretty excellent combat variety. Also, it was released in 2008, years before the indie revolution, years before Undertale popularized pacifist runs, and nearly a decade before our current Metroidvania renaissance. It's a masterpiece that was incredibly ahead of its time and opened me up to the possibility there were truly great, complete games out there not being sold in Gamestop or wherever.
I am not going to like fight you for removing it but I do think Shadow Tactics is a legit amazing game.
I think if you are finding it or Desperadoes III micro intensive you are likely trying to brute force solutions where other approaches exist, or you aren’t using the pause and plan feature enough. I say this because I found the games very playable and I suck horribly at like, SC2 RTS micro.
Something to consider if you do check the other games by the same team out, @milski and I do personally think they are very much worth checking out.
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I'd think if you list a game, you automatically include everything under it. No one listing FFXIV is thinking of the first release, I imagine.
In the spirit of you stabbing a bunch of stuff earlier to protest for rules clarity, I do think that "the game ends when a mod gets to the thread after somebody reports it for page count" is less exciting than "the thread explicitly ends at this specific point we all agree on in advance." It also gives slightly more ability to hash out the inevitable cross contamination of stabs and adds in the last few posts.
Add: Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
We are Clan List, children of listguy
Expansion packs can make such dramatic changes to a game that they must be considered separate, under the street fighter 2 rule
I think there are probably examples where this doesn't quite work; for instance I'm pretty sure you could argue that e.g. X patch of Runescape around 2007, Runescape now, and Runescape Classic (2007scape) are all distinct games. For FFXIV, I don't think anybody's going to bat for a specific expansion that hard though.
(I did consider posting a specific Crawl patch in bad faith).
Hah, I *can* specify patch numbers on Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup under this rule! I won't, but I totally could!
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Cut: Streetfighter 4
Add Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
Stop stabbing one for another y’all. We can have two great things on this list you know?
So let’s remove something awful like an open world game.
Remove Morrowind.
Add Final Fantasy Tactics.
List edited to reflect the street fighter change.
Remove: Wizardry
Add: Wizardry - Tale of the Forsaken Land
Atlus(aka "Racjin") decided to mix classic Wizardry with JRPG elements and make what I consider to be the definitive Wizardry experience, also helping to kick off Japan having made more Wizardry games than the country that founded it.
The music, story, and atmosphere are all top-notch, and make for a great RPG experience both in its own right and as a homage to its predecessors.
Updated to reflect above.
Feel free to add whatever subtitle to the list.
to do a complete 180 from the argument i've been making for the past hour it was pretty influential in repopularizing fighting games and making them more popular with mainstream audiences again
but yeah no third strike deserves to be on the list for Evo Moment #37 alone
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Remove Record of Lodoss War -Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth
Add Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
remove: Wizardry Tale of the Forsaken Land
add: Morrowind
Animal Crossing
Betrayal at Krondor
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Celeste
CrossCode
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Curse of Monkey Island
Dark Souls II
Disco Elysium
DJMAX Respect V
Dragon Force
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup.
Earthbound
Escape Velocity: Nova
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XIV
FJORDS
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Katamari Damacy
Last Blade 2: The Heart of the Samurai
Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Pathologic 1
Persona 3 FES
Portal
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Rock Band 3
Satellite Reign
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
System Shock 2
Terraria
Tex Murphy Under A Killing Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Undertale (PC)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 0
4 did the hard yards bringing the franchise to eports. The Daigo vs Infiltration set in 2012 is one of my most watched videos. But if you asked anyone I know to actually play a match? It's gonna be a close tie between third strike and alpha 3
the best bad-faith game I can think of is this fan game someone made making fun of the shitty video game ranking podcast I sometimes do
http://www.audioentropy.com/
My choice would be less "affectionately mocking another forumer" and more just stabbing that person in the face for little reason.
Godamnit Speed I was just about to put that in and now it won't be funny to do.
But if a series is gonna be on the list, let it be the best one.
Remove: Rock Band 3
Add: Rock Band 2
For me, this is the game at its peak, especially the presentation, Harmonix went to great lengths to make you feel like you were really living a live show, or even a music video at times.
Animal Crossing
Betrayal at Krondor
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Celeste
CrossCode
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Curse of Monkey Island
Dark Souls II
Disco Elysium
DJMAX Respect V
Dragon Force
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup.
Earthbound
Escape Velocity: Nova
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XIV
FJORDS
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Katamari Damacy
Last Blade 2: The Heart of the Samurai
Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
Monster Hunter World: Iceborne
Pathologic 1
Persona 3 FES
Portal
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Rock Band 2
Satellite Reign
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Streetfighter 3: Third Strike
System Shock 2
Terraria
Tex Murphy Under A Killing Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Undertale (PC)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 0
i think that's pretty much all of them
http://www.audioentropy.com/
All of them. The one without Dhalsim has Costco Brand lightning Dhalsim. His punches have the power of kicks.
It was my first open world game, and it taught me that open world games are garbage full of empty promises, hollow worlds, sound and fury signifying nothing.
My character took a side job working for the guards, and that lead to a quest chain of utterly boring and asinine missions doing more guard missions. And I slowly rose up through the ranks, it was a boring, boring grind. But at the end of it I challenged the head of the guard to a duel, defeated him and replaced him.
I walked into the main city, the city in which I controlled and ran the entirety of the guard, and a guard sees me and says “Stop stranger!” Stranger? I am your fucking boss. Your pay comes from me . I own you. Bow to me peasant.
But of course none of that happened or mattered because Morrowind, and it’s open world ilk, are sprawling empty miles, only filled with emptier promises of a living world that is smoke and mirrors held together by duct tape and dreams.
Garbage.
The only thing that is off is the SCALES that FELL from my EYES upon witnessing the TRUTH about open world “games”.
(Yeah I may have some issues to work through here, what of it?)
Speaking of:
Steam
That would be Endwalker again, if someone would correct it the next time they update.
I wish people would stop axing the dungeon crawlers.
3DS: 0473-8507-2652
Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
PSN: AbEntropy
oh well if you're a fan of empty promises
asinine missions
boring grinds
smoke and mirrors
garbage
lies?
friend, let me tell you about Star Citizen, a game where you can be grifted in ways you can't even imagine
Stab Shadow Tactics: Blade of the Shogun. I found this game to be far too finnicky to control, and think that the squad stealth aspect underwhelmed. It delivered less on interesting and tense stealth moments and more on feeling like I was trying to do Starcraft custom map micro trainers a lot of the time, and while the game avoiding a simple grid system was neat conceptually, it just led to stealth actions feeling a little too fuzzy; beating missions because I feel like I sort of waggled into a maybe intentional but probably unintentional line is not as enjoyable as clearly knowing I did the right stealthy thing.
Add Iji. Iji is a freeware Metroidvania game released by Daniel Remar. Exploration is a joy, with secrets abounding for the clever player and multiple paths through the levels. It's also one of the more adaptive Metroidvanias I've seen, with significant differences in both Iji's character and how things play out depending on whether you choose to play lethally or non-lethally, and has pretty excellent combat variety. Also, it was released in 2008, years before the indie revolution, years before Undertale popularized pacifist runs, and nearly a decade before our current Metroidvania renaissance. It's a masterpiece that was incredibly ahead of its time and opened me up to the possibility there were truly great, complete games out there not being sold in Gamestop or wherever.
Death, Resurrection: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
I think if you are finding it or Desperadoes III micro intensive you are likely trying to brute force solutions where other approaches exist, or you aren’t using the pause and plan feature enough. I say this because I found the games very playable and I suck horribly at like, SC2 RTS micro.
Something to consider if you do check the other games by the same team out, @milski and I do personally think they are very much worth checking out.