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I'm old and I care about [skincare] now

CambiataCambiata Commander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
So now that I'm in my 40s, I've found like with so many things about my body, my skin doesn't just "take care of itself" anymore, and actually requires daily maintenance if I don't want to get cracks on my heels and blemishes on my face. I can't just use any old moisturizer I find at the drugstore, either! I have to actually to testing to find the "right" stuff that actually works on my ultra-dry skin, and whatever fabulous thing everyone on Tik Tok loves doesn't do jack for me usually (except make me break out!)

With that in mind, I wanted to start a thread on skincare in general, whether it be for the face or body, and what works for those who are willing to discuss it.

My current skincare products:

Face cleansing
Hydro Ungrip Makeup Removing Cleansing Balm
Even though this is a makeup remover, I just use it as a daily cleanser. This cleansing balm feels really nice on my skin, its mostly a lot of different plant-based oils (the entire brand is vegan, too, so no "horse oil" here). Unfortunately, it's a little pricy at $36. I started using this after giving up Ponds cold cream as my cleanser because it contains mineral oil - I've been making an effort to stop buying skincare with petroleum in it. There are other petroleum-free cleansing balms that are cheaper, but unfortunately those contain palm oil. I have enough money that I can avoid certain ingredients if I want to, so this will probably remain my choice for a while.

Moisturizer
Evercalm Global Protection Day Cream
I had to go through a lot of moisturizers to find this one. It was not a cheap journey, let me tell you. This is the only one that doesn't make my skin break out or feel dry within an hour of applying it. It's $50, a price that makes me weep, but I cannot go long without this gem. And I'm not saying I can't do without it for aesthetic reasons, the reason I need it is my face hurts without it. I'm hoping this one continues to work past menopause, because I don't want to go through the trial process again.

Sunblock
Supergoop! Unseen Sunscreen SPF 40 PA+++
So this one ain't cheap either, and this one is really a case where I could go for a grocery-store version and still get the main important part of it (the sunblock), but I priced up for aesthetic and comfort reasons both. I first heard about this stuff because of reading a beauty article about how normal white sunscreen is hard to use if you have dark skin, it can leave an ashy residue. But this stuff is genuinely clear so those with darker skin tones don't have to deal with the chalky whiteness. I'm white and I don't have that problem, but I still thought a clear sunscreen was cool and wanted to try it. Well, I ended up liking it a lot. This stuff has the consistency of a makeup primer, it feels so nice going on. Because of that consistency, I don't use primer anymore even on the rare occasions that I do wear makeup. I justify the price of this because I really wouldn't wear sunscreen everyday if it didn't feel as nice as this stuff, and I know I need to wear sunscreen when I go out in the sun for the health of my skin, even if it's an annoying step.

Body moisturizer
Sanibalm 2.0 oz Tattoo balm or Ethique Love Baby Bar
Tattoo after-care is what originally convinced me to stop buying lotions with petroleum in them, although Sanibalm wasn't the lotion I actually purchased for my tattoo specifically, I stumbled upon it later. Both of these are similar in that they are solid moisturizer bars. I like Ethique a little better due to the paper/all biodegradable packaging they favor. Both smell lightly of cocoa butter but it's not overpowering. Ethique's Baby Bar feels like it absorbs into the skin just a little bit better than Sanibalm. This time of year, my knees and elbows feel like sandpaper, and these bars do wonders for softening those areas up. I expect the downside for most people is the feeling of oiliness and stickiness on the skin. Since my skin is so dry these days that stickiness is of very short duration for me, but it might be a different story for others.

Lip balm
Burt's Bees Beeswax Lip Balm
Thankfully, this is one of the cheaper items on the list. Lip balm is something I absolutely have to have and that somehow a lot of very expensive companies can't get right. (I'm looking at you, Laneige). The basic beeswax lip balm was my replacement for Carmex which I had used since I was a teen.

All of the above are the basics, "have to have these if I don't want to hurt later" items. But lately I have been experimenting with some of the more in-depth skincare stuff, like toners and serums. I don't actually know if these things will do anything for me! I do enjoy the potion bottles, though. Makes me feel like a secret witch.

There are a few "tools" I use as well, but they're pretty basic. I started out just using some reusable cotton pads I got from Sephora, but nowadays I mostly use some loose-weave cotton baby washcloths, they work really, really well. When I was younger, when I washed my face I would just splash water to clear off the cleanser, but that always made my bathroom all wet with the splashed water. Now I just get the washcloths wet and wipe my face with them, and since they're pretty cheap I don't mind staining them with makeup (on the rare occasions where I wear it). This was another thing that confused me as a teenager, my family only had a certain amount of washcloth towels that matched the sets of bathroom towels, so I could generally only have one or two washcloths at a time. If I wash my face morning and night, then either I keep reusing a wet washcloth, growing bacteria to rub on my face, or I used both and wash them every single day, seems annoying! Now that I have a set of baby washcloths I just use a new one every time I wash, then wash the whole lot at the end of the week.

So, anyone else have some must-have skincare stuff they'd like to share? Or anyone else got older and realized they couldn't ignore this stuff anymore, and are just discovering it like me?

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I'm 37 and still have acne with my very oily skin. The only product I've found, and I've tried everything I've come across, that controls and prevents my acne to give me an unblemished face is ProActiv.

    And I hate it! I'm fucking 37 and still have acne?! There is no god.

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I'm 37 and still have acne with my very oily skin. The only product I've found, and I've tried everything I've come across, that controls and prevents my acne to give me an unblemished face is ProActiv.

    And I hate it! I'm fucking 37 and still have acne?! There is no god.

    Same, but mine isn't all over my face or constant, it's just random pimples that show up occasionally. My skin is oily in some places and not others. Add patches of dry, cracked, flaking skin from eczema (even in the oily areas! I'll have a patch of skin that's both dry AND oily!) and I don't know what the fuck is even going on

    Plus I can't remember shit, so I haven't been able to get any kind of skincare routine going.

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    I have been using a fabric replacement on my hardhat for a few years and my forehead kept breaking out. I switched back to the regular plastic one and I cleared up immediately

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I'm 37 and still have acne with my very oily skin. The only product I've found, and I've tried everything I've come across, that controls and prevents my acne to give me an unblemished face is ProActiv.

    And I hate it! I'm fucking 37 and still have acne?! There is no god.

    I've always been curious about proactiv, but never tried it. Do you have to use all three steps, or is it enough to use cleanser + moisturizer? What skincare routines did you use before proactiv?

    I actually have a secret from when I was a teen that I don't generally share around in case people are grossed out, but I pretty much never washed my face as a kid until I was in my mid-20s at least - I also didn't wear makeup or exercise much, so it wasn't like I was leaving sweat or foundation on my face that should have been cleaned off. And even when I started washing it, I'd only do it once in a while and not daily. And I always thought of my skin as being very oily - or at least my t-zone was - but I rarely got acne. The acne only started becoming common when the oil went away and my skin became dry. This made me theorize that the oil was actually keeping my skin moisturized which is why I didn't get acne very often as a teen. But obviously, I'm not a dermatologist, so I'm probably full of shit. Maybe what I thought of as oily skin was just a normal amount of oil and not over-production. But still I am surprised at a prescription-level acne kit including a toner with witch hazel in it. I feel like even when my skin was way more resilient and less sensitive, witch hazel just made my skin hurt. Probably if I were using it I'd skip the toner.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Cambiata wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I'm 37 and still have acne with my very oily skin. The only product I've found, and I've tried everything I've come across, that controls and prevents my acne to give me an unblemished face is ProActiv.

    And I hate it! I'm fucking 37 and still have acne?! There is no god.

    I've always been curious about proactiv, but never tried it. Do you have to use all three steps, or is it enough to use cleanser + moisturizer? What skincare routines did you use before proactiv?

    I actually have a secret from when I was a teen that I don't generally share around in case people are grossed out, but I pretty much never washed my face as a kid until I was in my mid-20s at least - I also didn't wear makeup or exercise much, so it wasn't like I was leaving sweat or foundation on my face that should have been cleaned off. And even when I started washing it, I'd only do it once in a while and not daily. And I always thought of my skin as being very oily - or at least my t-zone was - but I rarely got acne. The acne only started becoming common when the oil went away and my skin became dry. This made me theorize that the oil was actually keeping my skin moisturized which is why I didn't get acne very often as a teen. But obviously, I'm not a dermatologist, so I'm probably full of shit. Maybe what I thought of as oily skin was just a normal amount of oil and not over-production. But still I am surprised at a prescription-level acne kit including a toner with witch hazel in it. I feel like even when my skin was way more resilient and less sensitive, witch hazel just made my skin hurt. Probably if I were using it I'd skip the toner.

    I've used every big brand of anti acne and facial cleanser you'd find at Target. I never did anything more boutique because one, there are approximately one million options and two, every one of them is very expensive.

    You don't really need the toner, in my experience the facial cleanser twice a day and lotion is enough.

    When I say my skin is oily I mean that if I don't do the above steps there is a visible sheen to my face akin to a glazed doughnut.

    Something else I learned as I grew older was if I stopped clean shaving my face every morning as I did because...that's what you did when you had a job, and instead keep a nice minimal 5 o'clock shadow at all times, it really decreased the oily appearance.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Darmak wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I'm 37 and still have acne with my very oily skin. The only product I've found, and I've tried everything I've come across, that controls and prevents my acne to give me an unblemished face is ProActiv.

    And I hate it! I'm fucking 37 and still have acne?! There is no god.

    Same, but mine isn't all over my face or constant, it's just random pimples that show up occasionally. My skin is oily in some places and not others.

    I think the stereotype of only teenagers getting acne is just wrong TBH. Acne is just a thing everyone gets and has to deal with. Whether you get it or not has more to do with changes in your skin and diet than it has to do with your specific age. Anyway I don't think it's something you need to feel ashamed of, it's just part of being human.
    Plus I can't remember shit, so I haven't been able to get any kind of skincare routine going.

    I mean, same. I have ADHD so half the time I do forget to do facecare stuff. The only reason I'm more on it nowadays than I used to be is because the result of forgetting too often is actual pain, so that's a pretty good motivator to remember.

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I'm 37 and still have acne with my very oily skin. The only product I've found, and I've tried everything I've come across, that controls and prevents my acne to give me an unblemished face is ProActiv.

    And I hate it! I'm fucking 37 and still have acne?! There is no god.

    Same, but mine isn't all over my face or constant, it's just random pimples that show up occasionally. My skin is oily in some places and not others.

    I think the stereotype of only teenagers getting acne is just wrong TBH. Acne is just a thing everyone gets and has to deal with. Whether you get it or not has more to do with changes in your skin and diet than it has to do with your specific age. Anyway I don't think it's something you need to feel ashamed of, it's just part of being human.
    Plus I can't remember shit, so I haven't been able to get any kind of skincare routine going.

    I mean, same. I have ADHD so half the time I do forget to do facecare stuff. The only reason I'm more on it nowadays than I used to be is because the result of forgetting too often is actual pain, so that's a pretty good motivator to remember.

    Yeah, same about the ADHD. Got on Adderall at the beginning of the year and it's helped, but it's still a struggle to remember things.

    And yeah, I ain't ashamed of it, it's just annoying. I have really clear skin for the most part, it's just occasionally that I get a big, red zit making itself know to everyone nearby. The eczema is new tho, or at least I never knew about it. Having flakes of skin keep falling off the same small itchy patch on my eyelid or middle of my forehead sure sucks tho. A steroid ointment I was prescribed helps, but only if I remember to use it lol

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    So one thing I want to mention is that - unlike with makeup - you often do get a better product when you pay a little bit more on skincare. Like for the most part, I think you aren't going to get good face moisturizer from the drugstore or grocery store, or at least that was true when I last looked about 10 years ago. This may have changed because skincare has changed a lot over the years. The one area where grocery store products are fine is cleansers, as long as you don't do what I did as a teen and use noxema to completely strip the oils out of your face (which, surprise, makes your face even oilier as it overproduces to replace what you stripped out!) - but there are plenty of "gentle cleansers" you can get that don't do that. I really like the way "cleansing balms" feel, as I mentioned, but the generic gentle cleansers you can get in any grocery store work just as well. It's just that the same is not true for moisturizers - the older you get, or the more sensitive and finicky your skin is, the less you can get away with cheaping out on moisturizers, as I've learned through hard, painful experience.

    I think the first high end moisturizer I tried was either Clinique or Estee Lauder. I went into a Dillard's knowing I needed one, and let the sales lady pick one out for me. She managed to sell me a serum, too. The serum didn't see to do anything for me except cost money. I wasn't super impressed with the moisturizer but it seemed to do the job. Looking at their prices now, I'm surprised I choose that brand, because geez, they look pricier than what i use now, and those brands no longer work for me at all.

    Once my skin started really getting dried out, I kept trying to find a solution by just picking a moisturizer from Sephora and going home with it. But after a couple of misfires I finally went into Sephora and asked for guidance, and the lovely and very flamboyant skincare associate directed me to Caudaulie vinosource. That's what I used in my 30s and it worked very well, I just hated how much perfume is in it. Eventually Caudaulie stopped working so I had to try yet again for a solution. That's when I heard by chance about Ren Ultracalm, and that's been my go-to ever since. The skin on my face is very touchy these days. I have no idea what I'll do if my skin starts throwing even more tantrums as I grow older.

    Lately I have been trying serums again, but with a better understanding that all the stuff about making your pores disappear is a load of bullshit. But they might help with supporting and healing my dry ass skin so I don't mind trying them. I also started using a toner as well, but not an astringent like I used as a teen - they make hydrating toners now, which blew my mind when I learned it. The reason to user toners, as I understand it, is that they include a chemical exfoliant. Chemical exfoliants are also different from what I used when I was younger, I used to have face scrubs with some kind of physical grit inside them that was supposed to exfoliate your skin; chemical exfoliants are said to be much more gentle on the skin, so I figured I could give it a shot. For some reason I've been in the mood to try the more bougie multi-step stuff so here we are. Knowing my ADHD I'll get bored with the extra steps and go back to cleanse + moisturize, but I might as well do it now while I want to.

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    my doctor gave me some magic creams for my face and they pretty much work to keep me from looking like Baron Harkonnen :shrug:

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I yoinked a moisturizer off my mother's vanity after she died, it's called "moo goo". It's pretty good.

    that's my contribution to the moisturizer discussion.

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    I yoinked a moisturizer off my mother's vanity after she died, it's called "moo goo". It's pretty good.

    that's my contribution to the moisturizer discussion.

    if it's the product I'm thinking of, I think it's called that because originally it was to soothe chafed cow teats.

    it's either that or my grandpa thought (correctly) that it was a funny thing to tell a little kid.

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    look it seems very likely and who am I to factcheck a good story

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    oh turns out I do like to factcheck a good story but excellent news, this one is true
    In the beginning…The MOOGOO Memoirs
    The fact that MooGoo even exists is a happy accident. In 2005, the Head of the Herd (Craig Jones) noticed that his mother was using a white paste, intended for use on cows, to help with her Psoriasis. The cream was formulated to help keep the skin on cow’s udders in good condition for milking. Cow’s udders need to be kept soft and supple, not dry and cracked. No one likes an angry cow with sore or cracked udders when it comes time to attach those milking cups.

    Although it seemed to be working well, the cream was thick and hard to apply. Since his mum didn’t particularly like being lathered in a thick cream made for cows, he took on the task of reformulating it and made up a lighter, non-greasy version. The word “udder” was a bit crass for an old-fashioned “lady” so they referred to it as “MooGoo” (goo for the cows) and the name stuck. Starting a skin care company wasn’t the initial idea, but friends and family kept asking for more of it, and eventually, Craig went into business.

    Since then MooGoo has grown to over 40 products to help with lots of different skin and scalp problems and sold throughout the world. From dealing with irritable skin and itchy scalps to natural sun care products and a baby range for the little ones. And most recently, a natural dental range. MooGoo’s ingredient philosophy has always remained the same: To make effective products using healthy ingredients, that we are comfortable using on ourselves and our loved ones.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    tynic wrote: »
    oh turns out I do like to factcheck a good story but excellent news, this one is true
    In the beginning…The MOOGOO Memoirs
    The fact that MooGoo even exists is a happy accident. In 2005, the Head of the Herd (Craig Jones) noticed that his mother was using a white paste, intended for use on cows, to help with her Psoriasis. The cream was formulated to help keep the skin on cow’s udders in good condition for milking. Cow’s udders need to be kept soft and supple, not dry and cracked. No one likes an angry cow with sore or cracked udders when it comes time to attach those milking cups.

    Although it seemed to be working well, the cream was thick and hard to apply. Since his mum didn’t particularly like being lathered in a thick cream made for cows, he took on the task of reformulating it and made up a lighter, non-greasy version. The word “udder” was a bit crass for an old-fashioned “lady” so they referred to it as “MooGoo” (goo for the cows) and the name stuck. Starting a skin care company wasn’t the initial idea, but friends and family kept asking for more of it, and eventually, Craig went into business.

    Since then MooGoo has grown to over 40 products to help with lots of different skin and scalp problems and sold throughout the world. From dealing with irritable skin and itchy scalps to natural sun care products and a baby range for the little ones. And most recently, a natural dental range. MooGoo’s ingredient philosophy has always remained the same: To make effective products using healthy ingredients, that we are comfortable using on ourselves and our loved ones.

    See I read stories like this, and instead of making me want to buy their reformulated moisturizer, it makes me want to go find the stuff they make for cows, because you know that shit has got to actually work or farmers wouldn't use it.

    Unfortunately I can't use that kind of thing on my face. I can go buy a cheap stick of 100% cocoa butter from CVS and it works great for my hands, but I put whatever cheap thing on my face and I pay for it with a week of agony.

    Edit: Here we go, next time I need hand cream imma try this. Fits my requirement of no petroleum.

    I remember years ago hearing that a model swore by Bag Balm, and when I heard that I did buy some but it's really nasty smelling and I couldn't stand using it. It's also just basically Vaseline.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    my go-to hand/elbow/knee/whatever lotion is this stuff

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    because the salon where I used to get my nails done gave me a bunch of them

    smells good, smoothes my roughs

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Also a random thing I figured out recently for my skin when I was trying to kill an unkillable rash, but dilluted tea tree oil makes mosquito bites disappear. Especially if I get the oil on them before they start itching, they go away instantly. If they've already started itching it takes a while longer (like maybe an hour or two). I guess everyone knows about tea tree oil nowadays but I was just surprised at how fast it actually worked.

    Sadly it did nothing for the rash, so a nurse I know introduced me to smuggled-from-Mexico Gelmicin cream. Looks like this:

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    It's prescription strength and contains an anti-biotic, anti-fungal, and anti-inflammatory. The version you get in the US only has Hydrocortisone in it, thus the need for smuggling it from Mexico. It was amazing, cleared up a rash I had been battling for a month in just a few days.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    The mention of drugstore quality skincare products and serums reminded of the anecdote by a former coworker that apparently German drugstore brand cosmetics are super popular in Korea? Like they and other expats would bring as many as possible when they weren't on trips home to their family.

    The chains even started selling their products directly in Korea.

    Was a bit baffled at first but now that we have a daughter it turned out that yeah, their store brands are most often the best quality/price for baby creams and other cosmetics and also the really good for high quality natural fibre baby clothes.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    In skincare-adjacent discussion, I regularly get pedicures to keep my feet healthy. It amazes me because me and my wife will go together, and the place is usually filled - and odds are, I'm the only guy.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    I'm 35 and am already starting to get pretty decent lines around my mouth and eyes from, well, basically always smiling.

    Which is a good problem to have, in a way but, any pointers on this front? Assume that I am essentially a caveman and just scrub my face in the shower once a day. (Though I do have a full beard, beard oil, beard conditioner, etc routine... just nothing else for the rest of my face.)

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    In skincare-adjacent discussion, I regularly get pedicures to keep my feet healthy. It amazes me because me and my wife will go together, and the place is usually filled - and odds are, I'm the only guy.

    Seriously, it's kinda weird to me how many guys don't get them. I understand if it's a money thing, but even then they won't attempt basic nail and foot care themselves.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Manicures and pedicures are nice but, at least the one time I got them, as someone with dry skin and who uses chalk when climbing, the end result was my cuticles cracking and bleeding everywhere, which was less than stellar.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I'm 35 and am already starting to get pretty decent lines around my mouth and eyes from, well, basically always smiling.

    Which is a good problem to have, in a way but, any pointers on this front? Assume that I am essentially a caveman and just scrub my face in the shower once a day. (Though I do have a full beard, beard oil, beard conditioner, etc routine... just nothing else for the rest of my face.)

    I can give you some! I'm going to assume based on your description that minimal skincare steps will be necessary for you, like I can't share a 6 step program and expect you to do that every night.

    That said, even if you're going minimal you will have to make face washing a separate step from the shower.

    So first step: purchase a gentle face cleanser. Doesn't have to be expensive, you can buy whatever looks nice from the grocery store. Just make sure it says "gentle cleansing." You'll also need a cotton towel or washcloth, if you're like me you'll want a whole set of them so you can use a new one every day; if it doesn't bother you to use the same one, though, you can just pick a washcloth from your towel set and designate that your face towel. If you get the cleanser from a grocery store, it will probably be a liquid foaming cleanser, so to use that first get the towel wet and wipe your face with it to get it damp. Then take some of the cleanser in your hand, lather it up, and rub it on your face until everything on your face is covered - this includes eyebrows and eye sockets, and I do behind my ears at this time, too. Then you take the damp towel again and wipe off the foam, wetting the towel again if necessary. You can also splash water on your face too but I don't do that anymore since it makes a mess.

    After the foam is gone, don't dry your face - it's better to do skincare steps with damp skin. This part you can't do with products you get at the grocery store (unless as mentioned above you live in Germany or South Korea). At the bare minimum you'll need a daily moisturizer, and a good one. What works for you as a moisturizer is really, really dependent on your skin. There is no one-size solution here. The kind of skincare solutions you want for fine lines are "plumping" types, and the ingredients you will look for are hyaluronic acid (for hydrating the skin and thus "plumping" it) and retinol (helps with cell turnover). I've heard good things about Plum Plump Hyaluronic Cream from Glow Recipe, but I don't use this myself due to the above-mentioned sensitive skin. There are a lot of moisturizers out there at a lot of different price points, it's just a matter of finding one that feels good on your skin, and makes you feel moisturized all day. If you feel dry after an hour, that moisturizer is no good. For this step, you a pea-sized glob of moisturizer in your hand and you rub it into your face and neck. If the amount you took seemed like too much, take less next time; if it didn't cover enough, then take a little more.

    Usually the retinol ingredient you only find in eye cream specifically, and there are a lot of varieties out there - from the same brand I've been using Avocado Melt Retinol Eye Cream, but I'm also not the kind of person who is really steady with skincare so I only use it half the time - and consistency is the way to get results. But if you do decide on this step, you put a small amount on one finger and then cover the entire "globe" of your eye, though without getting it in your eyes which is a pain.

    The final bare bones step is: if you are going outside and will be in the sun, even for just long enough to get from your car to your office, then you wear sunscreen. You want to protect your skin from damage.


    If you get the above three steps down pat and would like to add something else, a semi-essential step is a hydrating and exfoliating toner. This one you could just perform 3 times a week if you add it. This step goes between face washing and moisturizing, it's the middle step. Avoid toners with alcohol or witch hazel, avoid toners that make your skin feel tight or burn going on (which is another reason why no drugstore toner will do). Most of the good toners will contain hyaluronic acid. If you decide to add this step, the way you perform it is that after the face washing, with your still damp face, you put some of the toner in your hands, rub your hands together until they're covered, then rub the toner all over your face. Toners are intended to absorb fast and not be washed off. Once that is done, you follow the moisturizing step above.

    I won't give advice on serums here, but if you want to do one they are applied the same way as the toner is.


    So this is your most basic routine:
    Day: wash with gentle cleanser > moisturize > protect with SPF
    Night: wash with gentle cleanser > moisturize

    If you want to add a little more, you could go with this:
    Day: Wash with gentle cleanser > toner to exfoliate while hydrating > moisturize > protect with SPF
    Night: Wash with gentle cleanser > toner to exfoliate while hydrating > retinol eye cream > moisturize

    If you're all-in and want a multi-step skincare routine you can even add another step:
    Day: Wash with gentle cleanser > toner to exfoliate while hydrating > serum(s) to treat specific problems > moisturize > protect with SPF
    Night: Wash with gentle cleanser > toner to exfoliate while hydrating > serum(s) to treat specific problems > retinol eye cream > moisturize OR overnight moisturizing mask

    If you're feeling extra specially bougie, you can do this:
    Day: Wash with gentle cleanser > toner to exfoliate while hydrating > spray with hydrating mist to keep skin damp > serum(s) to treat specific problems > spray with hydrating mist > silicone mask on face for 5 minutes to help toner and serum absorb > moisturize > protect with SPF
    Night: Wash with gentle cleanser > toner to exfoliate while hydrating > spray with hydrating mist to keep skin damp > serum(s) to treat specific problems > spray with hydrating mist > silicone mask on face for 5 minutes to help toner and serum absorb > skincare oil treatment > overnight moisturizing mask

    To start getting results, you'll have to do the basic steps every single day, or at least most days.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    I should probably add, if you workout during the day, you'll need to do wash + moisturize afterwards, too. Anything that gets your face dirty (such as sweat) requires the basic steps after.

    Also, for an inexpensive skincare line, The Ordinary is well regarded. Unfortunately for me, my skin doesn't take well to their products, but that's only because of how annoyingly sensitive and dry my skin got as I got older.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Okay! This all seems quite doable, I can start with the most basic routine until it becomes habit.

    I typically get up at 5am, workout and then shower before work because yes, I am just that kind of jerk. In that case, would it be wake up, workout, shower and then day routine?

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Okay! This all seems quite doable, I can start with the most basic routine until it becomes habit.

    I typically get up at 5am, workout and then shower before work because yes, I am just that kind of jerk. In that case, would it be wake up, workout, shower and then day routine?

    That's how I'd do it, yeah.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Anyone have any recommendations for treating dermatitis that is aggravated by wearing a full CPAP mask?

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Heffling wrote: »
    Anyone have any recommendations for treating dermatitis that is aggravated by wearing a full CPAP mask?

    Gelmicin, as mentioned above. It's really good at treating aggressive skin ailments. But you need the version with the three ingredients, and not the one-ingredient version you get in America. You can buy the three ingredient version on Etsy. Just make sure what you buy matches the packaging I posted earlier. If you're uncomfortable with smuggling, you can get it by prescription from a physician.

    Also, is it possible to switch to a nose-only mask? Taking away the thing causing the irritation would be helpful, but I understand it's not always possible.

    Edit: I should add, I'm not a doctor, and it's probably not a good idea to use the prescription-strength Gelmicin continually long term. You also shouldn't apply it more than 2-3 times per day. But once it has broken the pattern of an aggressive skin problem, you may be able to transition to something less powerful. Tea tree oil is an effective anti-inflammatory, so you might look for a face cream with that ingredient to use between times when you can use Gelmicin.

    Edit again: I also want to say that any treatment that makes your skin worse should be stopped immediately. This goes for either medical -grade items like the Gelmicin, or less nuclear products like cleanser or moisturizer. If your skin has a negative reaction to something, that product isn't going to work for you. This is also a reason it's a very good idea to start a skincare regimen slowly, making sure your basic ingredients are working before moving adding any steps.

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    chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    So, I have the diabeetus. One of the side effects is dry skin. I've been experimenting with moisturizers, and have seemingly found one that isn't too greasy, is good for my hands, feet, and shoulders/upper arms.
    I do get the odd zit popping (heh) up more often now, but it's really not too bad.
    Unfortunately, I'm at the endocrinologist at the moment and don't recall the brand/type, but I'll update later on.

    One of the big things for me was that it is reliably available, no special trips, able to get it at a wide variety of stores, so this one is pretty handy for me.


    It's Lubriderm Advanced Therapy (Fragrance Free). Of the ones I've tried since I've been trying this, it gets the biggest thumbs up from me so far.

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    chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Oh yeah, wanted to ask y'all about this. In the past few years, outside of 'roughly used' areas like hands, elbows, and feet, I seem to have developed an allergy to adhesives. It started a couple of years ago with a medical device, and I took the rep's advice not to use their stick bandages, but to use these other ones (that they just happened to also rep). So I tried the other ones, and developed a horrible rash.

    Then just this las week, I had a ding on my side, just above my hip bone (so in a pretty tender tummy type area). I put a bog-standard Band-Aid brand bandage on it, and got the same in a smaller size. Like, the corners of the bandage got itchy and red and inflamed.

    Anyone had anything like that? And if so, what do you do if you need to bandage something that doesn't have callous on it?

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Oh yeah, wanted to ask y'all about this. In the past few years, outside of 'roughly used' areas like hands, elbows, and feet, I seem to have developed an allergy to adhesives. It started a couple of years ago with a medical device, and I took the rep's advice not to use their stick bandages, but to use these other ones (that they just happened to also rep). So I tried the other ones, and developed a horrible rash.

    Then just this las week, I had a ding on my side, just above my hip bone (so in a pretty tender tummy type area). I put a bog-standard Band-Aid brand bandage on it, and got the same in a smaller size. Like, the corners of the bandage got itchy and red and inflamed.

    Anyone had anything like that? And if so, what do you do if you need to bandage something that doesn't have callous on it?

    I wish I had experience in this area to give you some advice, but all I can do is tell you what's suggested when I read up about this subject: fabric bandages, like tubular bandages for example. Amazon does appear to have something like that large enough to go around your waist.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Ha, so remember when I said I took ages to find a moisturizer that actually works with my skin and doesn't make it feel worse? Well, I got a free sample from my last skincare purchase and I figured since it's free, I might as well try it. It works great! So I have a backup in case I need it! The moisturizer is Alpyn Beauty Melt Moisturizer and unfortunately it's also $10 more than my regular stuff so it's not a replacement, but if my Ren Evercalm ends up failing in the future it's nice to know there's another choice out there. Besides having a stupid brand name and being overpriced, it also has the downside of a fragrance that isn't great. It's not overwhelming or anything, they didn't overdo the fragrance, but some chemist somewhere has an "herbal" fragrance for brands that want you to know they're made from plants, and this moisturizer has it.

    Now that all in on the skincare game I guess I'll try free samples more often to see how I like them.

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Been breaking out a lot lately and I can't tell if I'm over cleansing, over moisturizing, a combination or both or maybe under moisturizing? IDK what it is but I hate it.
    Cleanser used morning and night - La Roche Posse
    Daily wear - Clinique 25spf
    for dry spots - Clinique Maximum Hydrator
    Exfoliant (twice a week) - shiseido being discontinued unfortunately
    Night wear - Cerave

    I've got kind of a hodgepodge of different brands based on availability and swapping some of these out might be a good idea? I have fairly dry skin at this point in my life despite my water intake, but it's like dry AND oily.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Been breaking out a lot lately and I can't tell if I'm over cleansing, over moisturizing, a combination or both or maybe under moisturizing? IDK what it is but I hate it.
    Cleanser used morning and night - La Roche Posse
    Daily wear - Clinique 25spf
    for dry spots - Clinique Maximum Hydrator
    Exfoliant (twice a week) - shiseido being discontinued unfortunately
    Night wear - Cerave

    I've got kind of a hodgepodge of different brands based on availability and swapping some of these out might be a good idea? I have fairly dry skin at this point in my life despite my water intake, but it's like dry AND oily.

    It all depends on your specific skin, but for me the causes of breakouts are always either: 1) skin too dry because I haven't been doing skincare routine regularly or 2) product is causing it. They say that the kinds of foods you eat can cause blemishes, too, but at least for my skin I've never noticed that to be true. Whether I eat healthy or eat trash, my face skin mainly reacts to how well I maintain it externally.

    If you wash your face twice a day that's definitely not over cleansing. I don't know that you really can "over moisturize", unless you're actually seeing a visible residue on your face afterwards? Using too much moisturizer means you're wasting money, but it shouldn't damage your face. OTOH, there are certain ingredients that your skin may be reacting too if they are present in too many of your products. For example, if a product has glycolic acid in it my skin rebels. Another example, a skincare Youtuber I follow, James Welsh, has mentioned that if too many of his products have hyaluronic acid then his skin will react with blemishes. Certain "good" skincare ingredients turn out to be less good if overused. Also, as your skin grows older it has different needs so that what used to work well just doesn't anymore.

    When I had this problem, what I had to do was narrow my products down until I found the one causing it - in my case, the moisturizer wasn't working anymore and I needed a new one.

    Do you notice the problem getting worse on the days you exfoliate? If not, it's probably not the exfoliator. The rest of it will just have to be trial and error before you find which product, if any of them, is causing it.

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    Not really, but it could be the weather, my AC barely keeps my apartment below sweating temperature so my pores are pretty open all the time. I just realized I've also been using some cheapo cotton pillow cases for the last few weeks since this all started, which might explain the extra dryness now that i think about it.

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Gonna try the MooGoo for around the face.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Not really, but it could be the weather, my AC barely keeps my apartment below sweating temperature so my pores are pretty open all the time. I just realized I've also been using some cheapo cotton pillow cases for the last few weeks since this all started, which might explain the extra dryness now that i think about it.

    Oh yeah I forgot about fabrics, my skin reacts to cheap ones, too.

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    Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    It was explained to me cotton pillowcases get you 2 ways; by sucking all the oil out of your skin leaving it dry, and also holding on to it as a breeding place for grossness when you go to sleep the next night. Wash em frequently y'all.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    In today's episode of "not following my own advice and suffering for it", I wanted to add some dirt to a tree I'm planting. I figured, I'll only be out there for 5-10 minutes, and it will be in shade the whole time! Both lies. I walked in direct sunlight multiple times, and I was out there for 15 min at least. I might have a burn on my face, we'll see after I cool down a bit.

    Reminder to self, again: Don't go outside without sunblock, you idiot.

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    In today's episode of "not following my own advice and suffering for it", I wanted to add some dirt to a tree I'm planting. I figured, I'll only be out there for 5-10 minutes, and it will be in shade the whole time! Both lies. I walked in direct sunlight multiple times, and I was out there for 15 min at least. I might have a burn on my face, we'll see after I cool down a bit.

    Reminder to self, again: Don't go outside without sunblock, you idiot.

    Gotta get one of those big floppy gardeners hats.

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