Is anybody in a position to comment about this whole lockdown situation? Is it normal to completely shut it a large portion of your workforce out of the company anytime there's a chance they might be fired? From the outside looking in it seems extremely paranoid.
Generally speaking it’s best practices to have your SOP to be locking someone out of sensitive systems prior to you telling them you are firing them.
Normally you just uh…. Are never firing this many people all at once. And usually it’s not some weird “maybe we are going to fire you?” situation.
Normally it’s more like: Decide to fire > Lock Access > Inform they are fired.
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Exactly. Locking the actual entire workforce out says that you’re scared that the vast majority of your employees are no longer loyal.
Whether that’s paranoia or simply being able to see which way the wind is blowing doesn’t really matter, the result is still a huuuuge and unprecedented clusterfuck.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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geez how am I going to find out about LA-region earthquakes now
Also…are people still getting a paycheck even if they aren’t allowed to show up to work?
I think most contractors (at least government contractors) wouldn’t receive a paycheck like in the case of a government shutdown when they literally can’t enter a building.
But if you haven’t fired me and just locked everyone out I would still expect to be paid for that day.
edit: Sidenote that this year has felt more quickly chaotic and surreal than any year from 2015-21 felt, for me, personally. No time to focus on one thing before the next thing came up
I mean, you're not wrong. Just under a year before the sink tweet:
Welp, just tried to export my twitter data archive and the text verification said I had "exceeded my verification limit" - the first time I've tried it in several days.
Probably nothing to worry about!!
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Is anybody in a position to comment about this whole lockdown situation? Is it normal to completely shut it a large portion of your workforce out of the company anytime there's a chance they might be fired? From the outside looking in it seems extremely paranoid.
Hard to say, there’s not much precedent for what’s happening
I don’t think there’s any reason for the lockdown but maybe Musk is really worried about the servers being unplugged??
Huh. How many important computers do you suppose are actually in the HQ? I always had a vague idea that the Twitter servers lived in several big buildings somewhere in Wyoming and all the computers in Twitter HQ were just regular old workstations. Electricity and square footage both seem like they'd be expensive in San Francisco.
Edit: also, the last time I felt like I had a grasp on what the physical Internet was like was when I read a book about it a decade ago, so probably not.
Is anybody in a position to comment about this whole lockdown situation? Is it normal to completely shut it a large portion of your workforce out of the company anytime there's a chance they might be fired? From the outside looking in it seems extremely paranoid.
Hard to say, there’s not much precedent for what’s happening
I don’t think there’s any reason for the lockdown but maybe Musk is really worried about the servers being unplugged??
Huh. How many important computers do you suppose are actually in the HQ? I always had a vague idea that the Twitter servers lived in several big buildings somewhere in Wyoming and all the computers in Twitter HQ were just regular old workstations. Electricity and square footage both seem like they'd be expensive in San Francisco.
Edit: also, the last time I felt like I had a grasp on what the physical Internet was like was when I read a book about it a decade ago, so probably not.
I think Twitter is built on AWS but don’t quote me on that.
can musk even sell twitter at this point? won't it have the $44 billion in debt obligations still and no way to get that in revenue? will the banks be able to get their pound of flesh from him?
Is anybody in a position to comment about this whole lockdown situation? Is it normal to completely shut it a large portion of your workforce out of the company anytime there's a chance they might be fired? From the outside looking in it seems extremely paranoid.
Hard to say, there’s not much precedent for what’s happening
I don’t think there’s any reason for the lockdown but maybe Musk is really worried about the servers being unplugged??
Huh. How many important computers do you suppose are actually in the HQ? I always had a vague idea that the Twitter servers lived in several big buildings somewhere in Wyoming and all the computers in Twitter HQ were just regular old workstations. Electricity and square footage both seem like they'd be expensive in San Francisco.
Edit: also, the last time I felt like I had a grasp on what the physical Internet was like was when I read a book about it a decade ago, so probably not.
So I don’t think it’s this, it’s because that there was no “no” response, it’s extra work to determine who is now no longer active and he felt it was better to prevent any access until they sort it out
While we're on the subject of internet death, when do you think the Penny Arcade forums will kark it? When Gabe and Tycho retire and their Trevor Noahesque successor doesn't bring in the views? Does Vanilla crash and it's decided that the forum isn't worth getting up running again?
I can see larger social media sites living forever or at least beyond my lifetime, but PA is tied to a specific thing that isn't going to last forever.
Hopefully we can swing a patreon to keep the forum operational. (You can already donate to the ClubPA patreon specifically for forum stuff. I put in some money every month, because I spend a shitload of time here.)
I also don’t know how twitter’s corporate network is setup and access permissions are setup but…
A lot of times certain resources are only accessible via the corporate network, so, from home you have to VPN in, but on campus you are on the corp network and therefore have access.
So, if they are closing physical access to the building it may be a way to keep people off of the corporate network (assuming they also revoked remote VPN access).
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I don’t want a Netflix movie about this fiasco.
I want an episode of Leverage about it.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Elon acting like the influx of DAUs is proof that Twitter is doing great is amazing.
Buddy we heard they were gonna tear down our old abandoned high school building next week, and we broke in to throw one last party.
We'll probably accidentally set it on fire and end the night running from the cops.
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life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
can musk even sell twitter at this point? won't it have the $44 billion in debt obligations still and no way to get that in revenue? will the banks be able to get their pound of flesh from him?
Twitter only has ~3.5bn in debt after the buyout, and that is the only amount that the banks are currently "owed" by both Elon and twitter.
Edit: I divided by 2 twice for some reason. Of the ~13bn in debt held by banks, 6.7bn is on the books at twitter, the rest if in bonds held by the banks.
The $12.7bn in debt has been split between a $6.7bn term loan, along with $3bn each of secured bonds and unsecured debt, obligations that are ultimately expected to be financed as fixed-rate bonds.
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So at this point are there... accountants and so on to pay those severances and pay the tab to AWS? Because this sounds like it'll be a worse version of when a company forgets to pay their domain name fee, except this will be no one pays the license fee for their password vault, and everyone that even knew what password vault they were using resigned and so everything is just going to stop working with no number of offshore contractors able to bring it back up.
Welp, just tried to export my twitter data archive and the text verification said I had "exceeded my verification limit" - the first time I've tried it in several days.
Probably nothing to worry about!!
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Generally speaking it’s best practices to have your SOP to be locking someone out of sensitive systems prior to you telling them you are firing them.
Normally you just uh…. Are never firing this many people all at once. And usually it’s not some weird “maybe we are going to fire you?” situation.
Normally it’s more like: Decide to fire > Lock Access > Inform they are fired.
God it would be so amazing if the employees of Twitter did a Defector
Whether that’s paranoia or simply being able to see which way the wind is blowing doesn’t really matter, the result is still a huuuuge and unprecedented clusterfuck.
I think most contractors (at least government contractors) wouldn’t receive a paycheck like in the case of a government shutdown when they literally can’t enter a building.
But if you haven’t fired me and just locked everyone out I would still expect to be paid for that day.
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I love how incompetently this was done.
"$20 can buy many peanuts"
Explain how!
"money can be traded for goods and services"
Probably nothing to worry about!!
Huh. How many important computers do you suppose are actually in the HQ? I always had a vague idea that the Twitter servers lived in several big buildings somewhere in Wyoming and all the computers in Twitter HQ were just regular old workstations. Electricity and square footage both seem like they'd be expensive in San Francisco.
Edit: also, the last time I felt like I had a grasp on what the physical Internet was like was when I read a book about it a decade ago, so probably not.
A note:
I think Twitter is built on AWS but don’t quote me on that.
Edit: https://press.aboutamazon.com/2020/12/twitter-selects-aws-as-strategic-provider-to-serve-timelines
I mean obviously, but it's fun to dream
So I don’t think it’s this, it’s because that there was no “no” response, it’s extra work to determine who is now no longer active and he felt it was better to prevent any access until they sort it out
Hopefully we can swing a patreon to keep the forum operational. (You can already donate to the ClubPA patreon specifically for forum stuff. I put in some money every month, because I spend a shitload of time here.)
A lot of times certain resources are only accessible via the corporate network, so, from home you have to VPN in, but on campus you are on the corp network and therefore have access.
So, if they are closing physical access to the building it may be a way to keep people off of the corporate network (assuming they also revoked remote VPN access).
I want an episode of Leverage about it.
"Space Karen" is pretty good.
genuinely thought I was about to watch someone break windows and/or throw something into Twitter HQ for a second
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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Buddy we heard they were gonna tear down our old abandoned high school building next week, and we broke in to throw one last party.
We'll probably accidentally set it on fire and end the night running from the cops.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Twitter only has ~3.5bn in debt after the buyout, and that is the only amount that the banks are currently "owed" by both Elon and twitter.
Edit: I divided by 2 twice for some reason. Of the ~13bn in debt held by banks, 6.7bn is on the books at twitter, the rest if in bonds held by the banks.
https://www.ft.com/content/d1879d0c-c52e-4f48-82f0-09458add4aee
Apparently he thought they were more hardcore
they're fucked
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