The few times I've had oxycodone or morpheme I've felt absolutely none of their usual effects. If my life has Fallout traits, I guess I'm just chem resistant?
"Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Because metoo was only ever Hollywood political infighting, not a progressive movement.
What does that even mean?
Those that the powers that be wanted gone were touchable, those in with the cool kids were untouchable. It goes a long way to explaining why some never saw consequences despite serious accusations and others were out after comparatively minor accusations. It was a convenient tool to get rid of people who they wanted to get rid of. It was nice that some nasty people lost their jobs, but I don't believe they lost it because they were nasty. There's too many nasty folks still around for me to believe that.
The question was rhetorical. It's no secret that ultimately a lot of powerful creeps escaped without any negative effects. It is also true that those creeps escaped any sort of justice partly because they were in with the right people or made the right people a lot of money. However I find describing the attempt by real victims who bravely came forward to share their stories as "hollywood political infighting" to be gross.
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the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Oh, 100%. The trouble is there's just a level of nuance to the problem that gets totally obliterated when it's primarily being reported on by local news outlets who want nothing more than to repeat cop press releases without any fact checking or investigation. Instead of any real discussion on the actual legitimate dangers of it and how to be safe, it only ever comes out as fear mongering about drug dealers trying to give your 10 year olds free drugs or whatever.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Also notable repeat customer, someone who died from your product. Kill all the clientele, that's the secret to good business.
Media doesn't stop to think for two seconds that if fentanyl was truly so dangerous to kill anyone who so much as touches it then who's even going to buy the stuff in the first place?
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the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Yeah it’s pretty scary how many people were giving it away during beggars’ night this year
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
Fentanyl has been all over the place here in Austin. Kinda famous (and heartbreaking) story was a football player who OD'd on xanax laced with the stuff.
Becoming a cop gives you a -4 debuff to fentanyl. Just being in the same room as imaginary fentanyl can be fatal to them (or rather give them a panic attack that they’re too dumb to differentiate from the drug)
Yeah fentanyl is weird because on one side you have copaganda with police brainwashing themselves so hard that they have literal, medical panic attacks about it. Which if it wasn't such a problem for everyone else, lol lmao, pathetic.
Honestly the one I've seen fuck up the most people first-hand was Spice (JWH-018 nad similar synthetic cannabinoids), natural weed/THC has limits to how much the body can uptake at once but the Spice chems can fry out the entire nervous system incredibly quickly and efficiently - doesn't kill but definitely makes people weird, seen long term users have effects ranging from seizures to being bordering on zombified
Another one where sensible drug policy would probably eliminate the need for it entirely since the way Spice was marketed back when it was unregulated was "it doesn't show up on drug screens!"
The copaganda version of it makes it less likely that people will assist an overdose victim, because they'll be afraid of contact highs.
Also makes its medical usage much less likely to continue if media ever gets it in their depraved heads to do an "expose" on how fentanyl is being given to pregnant women. Of course they'll neglect to mention why in that soundbite.
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
I have not personally seen a toxicology report but, oral and intranasal uptake are both reasonably well-studied and have published papers verifying they're possible
Also the fentanyl used in the drug trade is not medical grade, and was (especially at the time before the government really started actively monitoring for its import) synthesized out of country and imported in bulk, this was like an entire thing that went on for a couple years until the feds really cracked down
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
You might be surprised at home many drugs are actually cut with fentanyl. I would hear a lot of reports of it back when I worked in addiction more so than now. The drug screens virtually always verified that it was there. I can't hope to explain all of it. The best explanation I have been given is that it is relatively cheap for how hard it hits you so it is used to stretch stuff out. All I can say for certain is how very often it showed up in tox screens.
Anecdotally, one of my firefighter friends says that about 90% of their calls are fentanyl overdoses
Copaganda aside it is a real problem
the lies about fenatyl are almost completely about how it will magically cause cops to od by touching it, which is ridiculous. It's always about the cops' exposure over anything else.
The kid story seems like it's probably true, it at least definitely happened where a child went into cardiac arrest at a park and it was his kid. But yeah, that looks like a freak accident where a child got something into its mouth off the ground that was hard to notice. Hey, maybe if SF had a better homeless situation with places for them to go or god forbid actually provided housing, this also could have been avoided but yeah, definitely should just panic about drug use instead.
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
You might be surprised at home many drugs are actually cut with fentanyl. I would hear a lot of reports of it back when I worked in addiction more so than now. The drug screens virtually always verified that it was there. I can't hope to explain all of it. The best explanation I have been given is that it is relatively cheap for how hard it hits you so it is used to stretch stuff out. All I can say for certain is how very often it showed up in tox screens.
My layman understanding is a lot of it was coming from labs overseas and a lot of unsavory types were using it to "Spice" up their product. Had an old roommate of mine who I had to Narcan because they were taking Xanax that had been laced with it. That was a bad day.
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
You might be surprised at home many drugs are actually cut with fentanyl. I would hear a lot of reports of it back when I worked in addiction more so than now. The drug screens virtually always verified that it was there. I can't hope to explain all of it. The best explanation I have been given is that it is relatively cheap for how hard it hits you so it is used to stretch stuff out. All I can say for certain is how very often it showed up in tox screens.
And I'm not Mortal Sky but practically all the youth (<23) fentanyl cases that go to the medical examiner are Xanax cut with fentanyl
To be clear wrt my own credentials, I do work in a health statistics field so this is not something I'm purely stumbling into by having friends who go hard at festivals and clubs, I do have actual literacy on this one
Two of Musk's cousins, James and Andrew Musk, appear to now be acting as full-time Twitter employees, both of the people familiar said. They are sons of Musk's uncle on his father's side. Both men work daily at Twitter offices, with Andrew Musk working on software-engineering projects and James Musk seen more as "a fixer type," one of the people said, helping Musk out with various needs and tasks. Another family member frequently seen around the office is Musk's two-year-old son with Grimes, X Æ A-12, the people familiar said. The toddler is often on the 10th floor, where Musk works and sometimes plays with X amid the many employees now working on that floor as well.
Musk last month hired George Hotz, an engineer and former hacker, as another engineering "intern." And on a trial basis, he hired Daniel Francis, as Insider reported, part of the duo who hoaxed members of the media on Musk's first day in charge. Francis continues to work as a developer, one of the people said.
the media straight up lying about the lethality of fentanyl is an actual literal cop psyop
it's goddamn miserable
They literally give pregnant mothers fentanyl as like, the second line of pain management behind an epidural! It's used during surgery all the time! It's utterly insane that the media just ran with it being goddamned Joker Venom so cops can get a month off and say that somebody threatened their life for having literally any drugs on them!
Like by all the time we mean like 90% of all fucking surgeries
But the pills are brightly colored! They’re clearly marketing them to children!! Think of the children!!!
I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
eh...
like right now wholesale it's like $30/mg
which considering the actual dosages involved is dirt cheap compared to eg epi or literally anything animal-derived
edit: I do materials for an ASC as part of my job, so I see those prices literally all the time
edit edit: that said I have literally no idea what the recreational market looks like at all
The weird thing about musk acting like he lives in an empty home out of like anything but desire is crazy. Doesn't he have like 10 fucking kids? I'm sure one of the mothers would be elated if that shit bag actually was a father every once in a while.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The weird thing about musk acting like he lives in an empty home out of like anything but desire is crazy. Doesn't he have like 10 fucking kids? I'm sure one of the mothers would be elated if that shit bag actually was a father every once in a while.
would you really want Musk to try to be a father to your children, or would you rather just have the money?
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I have actually known people in extended social circles who died of fentanyl-laced party drugs, and especially in the days before test kits went around and import restrictions on it got tightened, so I think it's worth saying there is a "there" there even if the conservative hyper-spin on it ends up in fundamentally misled places
like the LD50 on fentanyl and carfentanyl is still a shockingly small amount — even if it is simple for a professional to medically dose in dilute form, imprecise or reckless dosing (let alone surprise dosing) can cross that line scarily quick
The question was rhetorical. It's no secret that ultimately a lot of powerful creeps escaped without any negative effects. It is also true that those creeps escaped any sort of justice partly because they were in with the right people or made the right people a lot of money. However I find describing the attempt by real victims who bravely came forward to share their stories as "hollywood political infighting" to be gross.
Oh, 100%. The trouble is there's just a level of nuance to the problem that gets totally obliterated when it's primarily being reported on by local news outlets who want nothing more than to repeat cop press releases without any fact checking or investigation. Instead of any real discussion on the actual legitimate dangers of it and how to be safe, it only ever comes out as fear mongering about drug dealers trying to give your 10 year olds free drugs or whatever.
If Neil Young says it, it's true.
Media doesn't stop to think for two seconds that if fentanyl was truly so dangerous to kill anyone who so much as touches it then who's even going to buy the stuff in the first place?
This is supposed to be heard in the voice of the manager of the Happiness Hotel from The Great Muppet Caper, right?
Because that's how I heard it.
Yeah it’s pretty scary how many people were giving it away during beggars’ night this year
Do you have any more details on how they were contaminated with Fentanyl?
One was an ecstasy pill cut with it, another was coke, neither person had a history with opioids
Again this was like five-six years ago in the days where bulk synthesis of it was going unregulated, and it was ending up as filler in stuff because of how weirdly cheap it was, as well as before fentanyl test kits were widely available and recommended
Like in the kinds of rave and underground party scenes where harder drugs were going around, this absolutely was a thing that people were and still are kinda spooked by
However the whole notion of it ending up in Halloween candy or poisoning cops by merely handling baggies of drugs is bunk
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Copaganda aside it is a real problem
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On the other hand it kills a lot of people.
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Another one where sensible drug policy would probably eliminate the need for it entirely since the way Spice was marketed back when it was unregulated was "it doesn't show up on drug screens!"
Also makes its medical usage much less likely to continue if media ever gets it in their depraved heads to do an "expose" on how fentanyl is being given to pregnant women. Of course they'll neglect to mention why in that soundbite.
I ask because I'm a nurse anesthetist and I handle Fentanyl on a daily basis. Other than a few specific types, there's just nothing to be absorbed orally or via your GI tract.
And Fentanyl hasn't ever been cheap (at least not compared to other recreational substances) so the whole idea of using it to mix with other stuff doesn't make any sense to me.
Who told you it was Fentanyl? Were there any drug assays done of the pills themselves? Serum toxicology? Did you just hear that it was opioid related?
I ask because these stories almost never have any real basis to them, outside of people who've actually stolen Fentanyl itself and then injected.
I have not personally seen a toxicology report but, oral and intranasal uptake are both reasonably well-studied and have published papers verifying they're possible
Also the fentanyl used in the drug trade is not medical grade, and was (especially at the time before the government really started actively monitoring for its import) synthesized out of country and imported in bulk, this was like an entire thing that went on for a couple years until the feds really cracked down
You might be surprised at home many drugs are actually cut with fentanyl. I would hear a lot of reports of it back when I worked in addiction more so than now. The drug screens virtually always verified that it was there. I can't hope to explain all of it. The best explanation I have been given is that it is relatively cheap for how hard it hits you so it is used to stretch stuff out. All I can say for certain is how very often it showed up in tox screens.
the lies about fenatyl are almost completely about how it will magically cause cops to od by touching it, which is ridiculous. It's always about the cops' exposure over anything else.
The kid story seems like it's probably true, it at least definitely happened where a child went into cardiac arrest at a park and it was his kid. But yeah, that looks like a freak accident where a child got something into its mouth off the ground that was hard to notice. Hey, maybe if SF had a better homeless situation with places for them to go or god forbid actually provided housing, this also could have been avoided but yeah, definitely should just panic about drug use instead.
My layman understanding is a lot of it was coming from labs overseas and a lot of unsavory types were using it to "Spice" up their product. Had an old roommate of mine who I had to Narcan because they were taking Xanax that had been laced with it. That was a bad day.
And I'm not Mortal Sky but practically all the youth (<23) fentanyl cases that go to the medical examiner are Xanax cut with fentanyl
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-bari-weiss-cousins-confidants-2022-12
eh...
like right now wholesale it's like $30/mg
which considering the actual dosages involved is dirt cheap compared to eg epi or literally anything animal-derived
edit: I do materials for an ASC as part of my job, so I see those prices literally all the time
edit edit: that said I have literally no idea what the recreational market looks like at all
pleasepaypreacher.net
would you really want Musk to try to be a father to your children, or would you rather just have the money?
edit: no type good
Completely normal corporate behavior!