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Superpower Idol- Round 1, Matchset 4

GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, ProbablyWatertown, WIRegistered User regular
edited June 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
LAST TIME ON SUPERPOWER IDOL:

Healing and air/wind manipulation fought an even battle early, but then healing found its footing and surged ahead to win 45-27.

Meanwhile, wallcrawling ain't a pretty boy no more, losing to superhuman senses 65-7.

26 left, two more set to be voted out. Primer for those new to this:

*For as long as we're able to do so (which means up until the final), we'll have two matchups going at once. There will be four poll options, containing each of the four possible winner combinations (for matchups of A vs. B and C vs. D, you'd see A/C, A/D, B/C, B/D). This is done to save time. You're not meant to combine the powers.
*Each set of matchups will be considered for about three days. Each matchup, as you'd expect, is calculated individually- if A/C has 10 votes, A/D has 12 votes, B/C has 7 votes and B/D has 2 votes, A beats B 22-9 and C beats D 17-14.
*Each power is considered as a broad category. For 'energy blasts', you're considering everything from Cyclops to Starfire to Jubilee. For 'shapeshifting', think everything from Mr. Fantastic to Mystique to Clayface. And so on.
*When voting, consider whatever the hell you feel like as long as you're considering only the powers given. Consider the science behind each power or write it off as 'it's a comic book, who cares', the havoc you could wreak, downsides, whatever. You're voting for the 'best', but I leave the definition of 'best' up to you.
*Again, please don't combine powers when voting. It's just A vs. B and C vs. D, not A and B vs. C and D.

THE BRACKET:

Play-In Round (Salem Center, NY):
Invulnerability 54, duplication 24
Time manipulation 65, invisibility 13

ROUND 1 REGIONALS

Portland, OR regional:
Invulnerability vs. telepathy
Flight 52, pheromone manipulation 27
Teleportation vs. force fields
Weather manipulation vs. gravity manipulation

New Orleans, LA regional:
Fire/heat manipulation vs. telekinesis
Superhuman senses 65, wallcrawling 7
Immortality 53, shadow manipulation 26
Shapeshifting vs. intangibility

Annandale-on-Hudson, NY regional:
Time manipulation vs. electric manipulation
Cold/ice manipulation 48, superhuman vision 35
Superhuman speed vs. energy blasts
Waterbreathing vs. precognition

Deerfield, IL regional:
Healing 45, air/wind manipulation 27
Superhuman strength vs. probability manipulation
Superhuman intelligence vs. earth manipulation
Mind control 72, self-detonation 11

(Final 4 is set for Anchorage, AK.)

Up for votes in this matchset:
*Weather manipulation vs. gravity manipulation (Portland regional)
*Waterbreathing vs. precognition (Annandale-on-Hudson regional)

A quick primer on these four:
*Weather manipulation- Think Storm without the flying.
*Gravity manipulation- Ability to manipulate gravity. Duh. (A caveat so this isn't flying-plus: There has to be some sort of center of gravity. We'll say it works sort of like Gravity Man from MM5- you can make stuff fall in a certain direction, but they eventually have to 'land' somewhere, be it a wall, a ceiling, your hand, etc. You may also remove gravity entirely and make stuff float like on the space station, but then things float uncontrollably until you restore gravity.)
*Waterbreathing- Aquaman without the talking to fish.
*Precognition- Miss Cleo, but legitimate. And probably not faux-Jamaican.

Votesies!

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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Gravity manipulation could range from moderately handy to extremely useful depending on how much control you have over it (whether it can apply to particular objects or only everything in a range, whether that range (if applicable) is adjustable, etc.).

    Weather manipulation is kinda meh. You wouldn't want to make days sunny or whatever too often for risk of fucking up the climate. You could make it rain in a small area for a little while if for some reason you didn't have access to water, or maybe give your car battery a jolt if the battery dies (though that could easily go awry), but situations where it'd be useful seem infrequent.

    Water breathing would be neat, though I wonder how often I'd actually use it once the novelty wore off. You couldn't drown, which is definitely nice.

    The benefits of precognition are obvious.

    I'm gonna go with gravity manipulation and precognition.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2007
    Poll added.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So it's a vague kind of precognition that doesn't always tell you what you want to know, or can you see any bit of the future that you want within a reasonable range?

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  • notagamenotagame Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It's not a poll?

    Anyways, here is my take.

    Gravity manipulation > weather manipulation. You can't fly yourself, but you can stand on top of a piece of metal and make that one fly toward a certain direction. If you live in a city, you can basically "fly" anywhere by pulling the metal toward any building around you. You can also kill people by pulling knives toward them.

    Weather manipulation might be good if you work as a weather forecaster and change the weather to whatever the hell you say, so your forecast is always 100% correct. This could make you a very valuable person to tv stations.

    Precognition >>>> watherbreathing. What the hell does waterbreathing get you? You still swim slow as hell and pretty much any predatory fish at sea can easily catch up to you and kill you.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Well... A lot depends on definitions here. Weather manipulation is hella cool, but its usefulness depends on the extent of your control. Can you strike someone with lightning just like that, or do you have to take time to set up a storm? Are there climate repercussions or can things be set right back to normal? Can you focus it on a very small area, i.e. just your immediate surroundings? How much precision could you have with stuff like wind control? Gravity manipulation is even murkier. I'm assuming you can't control it to the extent that it's like telekinesis. And you can't fly with it. In that case I don't think it's good for much at all.

    Water breathing sucks, totally worthless. Still, the details of precog are important. Most importantly, can you change the future?

    I'll go with weather and precog.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Can you change the future... I'm not exactly sure what the "correct" answer is, but I'm gonna go with no, on the theory of 'well, then you'd be wrong, and that's not very psychic, now is it?'

    As for weather: when in doubt, listen to what the primer says. When I say "Storm without the flying", go with that.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited June 2007
    Waterbreathing is getting the shaft.

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Weather control = instant lightning bolt to the face for Mr. Gravity. And he's gonna have trouble throwing a car at Storm when he can't see her through all the fog.

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  • SpacklerSpackler Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Weather control = instant lightning bolt to the face for Mr. Gravity. And he's gonna have trouble throwing a car at Storm when he can't see her through all the fog.
    meh. while she's gathering the clouds to get that lightning bolt he just crushes her against the ground.

    The key would be how quickly either could produce the changes in gravity/weather.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    precognition is worthless if you can't change the future.

    but it also doesn't make sense... if I see the future, and someone wins the lotto with certain numbers, and I play those numbers, I've changed the future.

    alternatively, those numbers don't come out, I don't win, but the numbers changed.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    I really liked gravity manipulation. It's basically flying + telekinesis.

    I went back and forth between water breathing and precognition.

    I eventually went with precognition. I'm still pretty conflicted about it though.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Variable wrote: »
    precognition is worthless if you can't change the future.

    but it also doesn't make sense... if I see the future, and someone wins the lotto with certain numbers, and I play those numbers, I've changed the future.

    alternatively, those numbers don't come out, I don't win, but the numbers changed.

    I'm a fan of the theory that if you try to play those numbers, you spontaneously have a heart attack because having a sudden heart attack is merely improbable while playing the numbers is impossible.

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  • john fechonjohn fechon Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Precognition is useless without being able to use that knowledge. If I see that I get in a car accident on Tuesday, you better believe I'm not going outside on that day. The challenge of precognition is that you can see the future, but the moment you try to influence it or even just know it, you risk making things better/worse.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Precognition is useless without being able to use that knowledge. If I see that I get in a car accident on Tuesday, you better believe I'm not going outside on that day. The challenge of precognition is that you can see the future, but the moment you try to influence it or even just know it, you risk making things better/worse.
    Remember you cannot change the future that you've seen. You get into a car accident on Tuesday. You don't go outside. This opens up the door for a drunk driver to crash into your house.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think that's a pretty lame power. It would even be alright if the prediction immediately becomes inaccurate because you saw it - you could still derive valuable knowledge from knowing how things would have happened had you acted normally. For example, even if you see a car accident and avoid it, the drunk driver that caused it will still be there at that time and you can call the police.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    yah, precog is a bit tricky to see how it would be useful. If you can't change the future, it would be worthless to ever try and 'see' something about yourself, instead, if you can direct it like this, you would just try to 'see' things not directly related to you, like who wins game 1 of the spurs-cavs game, then go put a ton of money on it. but if the whole trick is that you can only see stuff about yourself, then it really doesn't matter cause you can't do a thing about it anyway.

    Gotta go w/ waterbreathing then...at least you can see how that would be beneficial, even if it has it's limits.

    and I think gravity man. > weather man....or at least has greater potential. It would still be tricky to figure out how best to use, but in the end I think it would be more useful.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    I don't even understand how you can see something and then not change it.

    What pushed me over to vote for precog was remembering Bill Murray walking around the town in Groundhog Day, knowing what we going to happen.

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  • john fechonjohn fechon Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Precognition is useless without being able to use that knowledge. If I see that I get in a car accident on Tuesday, you better believe I'm not going outside on that day. The challenge of precognition is that you can see the future, but the moment you try to influence it or even just know it, you risk making things better/worse.
    Remember you cannot change the future that you've seen. You get into a car accident on Tuesday. You don't go outside. This opens up the door for a drunk driver to crash into your house.

    But then you did change the future. That drunk driver didn't drive into your house when you looked at the future before. What if someone else is in the house as well and I make sure that in order to hit me, a drunk driver would have to go through the other person. That person who didn't get hit by a car before, is now getting hit by a car.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The trick to using precognition is not to see your own future, but to see what your opponent is going to do. If you see yourself getting punched, you're screwed, but if you see your opponent swinging a punch, that allows you to dodge it. Use it well, and you're effectively impossible to hit.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Precognition is useless without being able to use that knowledge. If I see that I get in a car accident on Tuesday, you better believe I'm not going outside on that day. The challenge of precognition is that you can see the future, but the moment you try to influence it or even just know it, you risk making things better/worse.
    Remember you cannot change the future that you've seen. You get into a car accident on Tuesday. You don't go outside. This opens up the door for a drunk driver to crash into your house.

    But then you did change the future. That drunk driver didn't drive into your house when you looked at the future before. What if someone else is in the house as well and I make sure that in order to hit me, a drunk driver would have to go through the other person. That person who didn't get hit by a car before, is now getting hit by a car.
    All the example said was 'You get in a car accident on Tuesday'. You do not leave the house on Tuesday. A drunk driver crashes into your house, involving you in a car accident on Tuesday.

    Very oracle-ish. You might know about Croesus getting advice on attacking Persia, hearing from Delphi "If you cross the river, you will destroy a great empire", so he crosses the river, and then he winds up getting his ass handed to him by Persia. An empire was destroyed, but it wasn't Persia's.

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  • john fechonjohn fechon Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Precognition is useless without being able to use that knowledge. If I see that I get in a car accident on Tuesday, you better believe I'm not going outside on that day. The challenge of precognition is that you can see the future, but the moment you try to influence it or even just know it, you risk making things better/worse.
    Remember you cannot change the future that you've seen. You get into a car accident on Tuesday. You don't go outside. This opens up the door for a drunk driver to crash into your house.

    But then you did change the future. That drunk driver didn't drive into your house when you looked at the future before. What if someone else is in the house as well and I make sure that in order to hit me, a drunk driver would have to go through the other person. That person who didn't get hit by a car before, is now getting hit by a car.
    All the example said was 'You get in a car accident on Tuesday'. You do not leave the house on Tuesday. A drunk driver crashes into your house, involving you in a car accident on Tuesday.

    Very oracle-ish. You might know about Croesus getting advice on attacking Persia, hearing from Delphi "If you cross the river, you will destroy a great empire", so he crosses the river, and then he winds up getting his ass handed to him by Persia. An empire was destroyed, but it wasn't Persia's.


    Ah, ok, gotcha now. I'm gonna go waterbeathing. Little too close to aquaman for my liking, but at least I can fufill my dreams of becoming a drownball champion.

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  • Mr PinkMr Pink I got cats for youRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    If you could 'aim' the gravity manipulation, assuming you were on Earth, you could basically fling people off of the planet at whim.

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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I don't think the "can't change the future" angle works. Let's say you work at a meat processing plant with a machine called a meat grinder (I don't know if that's an actual machine, but work with me). You divine your future one Sunday night and get back "you will be killed in a meat grinder accident this Tuesday". Naturally, you call in sick on Tuesday and stay home all day. How does the prophecy come true then? Does the plant suddenly blow up and toss a meat grinder however many miles to your house (nevermind how it survives such a huge explosion)? You can't be abducted and killed in the meat grinder by the mob or whatever, since then it's no longer an accident. Any other explanation I can think of is equally absurd.

    I understand you're trying to keep precognition from being too powerful, but as it is it's almost worse than useless since you'd have to live with the knowledge that a given bad thing will happen with no hope of preventing it. That's pretty much worse than having no power at all.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Mr Pink wrote: »
    If you could 'aim' the gravity manipulation, assuming you were on Earth, you could basically fling people off of the planet at whim.

    Now that...would be quite awesome. Till you faced someone who could fly.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Smasher wrote: »
    I don't think the "can't change the future" angle works. Let's say you work at a meat processing plant with a machine called a meat grinder (I don't know if that's an actual machine, but work with me). You divine your future one Sunday night and get back "you will be killed in a meat grinder accident this Tuesday". Naturally, you call in sick on Tuesday and stay home all day. How does the prophecy come true then? Does the plant suddenly blow up and toss a meat grinder however many miles to your house (nevermind how it survives such a huge explosion)? You can't be abducted and killed in the meat grinder by the mob or whatever, since then it's no longer an accident. Any other explanation I can think of is equally absurd.

    Ahh, but what you don't know is that the neighbor's dog, who's name is Meat Grinder, is going to sneak into your house and pee in your kitchen while you're in the bathroom. Then, here you come walking into the kitchen, slip on the pee puddle, and crack your skull open on the granite countertops your wife insisted on having put in last fall.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Smasher wrote: »
    I don't think the "can't change the future" angle works. Let's say you work at a meat processing plant with a machine called a meat grinder (I don't know if that's an actual machine, but work with me). You divine your future one Sunday night and get back "you will be killed in a meat grinder accident this Tuesday". Naturally, you call in sick on Tuesday and stay home all day. How does the prophecy come true then? Does the plant suddenly blow up and toss a meat grinder however many miles to your house (nevermind how it survives such a huge explosion)? You can't be abducted and killed in the meat grinder by the mob or whatever, since then it's no longer an accident. Any other explanation I can think of is equally absurd.

    I understand you're trying to keep precognition from being too powerful, but as it is it's almost worse than useless since you'd have to live with the knowledge that a given bad thing will happen with no hope of preventing it. That's pretty much worse than having no power at all.
    At some point, I would have to say you're not going to get enough details on exactly how a given thing would happen in order to prevent it. Like I said, oracle-ish. Something is going to be left for you to find out for yourself. If the divined future is something you would want ('You will win the lottery') or have no way of changing (like the score of a football game), you might get complete details. But if it's something where your complete knowledge would cause you to keep the event from happening, you're going to get something juuuusssst murky enough for you not to be able to prevent it.

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  • Mr PinkMr Pink I got cats for youRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Mr Pink wrote: »
    If you could 'aim' the gravity manipulation, assuming you were on Earth, you could basically fling people off of the planet at whim.

    Now that...would be quite awesome. Till you faced someone who could fly.

    Then you just reverse the gravity until they plummit like a rock. :)

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  • frandelgearslipfrandelgearslip 457670Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I am the only person to go both weather and waterbreathing.

    I would rather control weather than control gravity, since I am not a superhero I don't need the better combat ability.

    Precoginition looks good in theory, but hey it didn't help Issac much.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I would rather control weather than control gravity, since I am not a superhero I don't need the better combat ability.

    I agree
    Precoginition looks good in theory, but hey it didn't help Issac much.

    I went precog hands down, but that was before we learned that it was Cassandra-style, aka worst power ever.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Well, not exactly Cassandra. Cassandra had a curse where nobody believed her. You don't.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2007
    Precoginition looks good in theory, but hey it didn't help Issac much.
    Then again, he only divined shitty things that he would have liked to stop from happening, as opposed to say finding out that Enron stock was to plummet on July 8th of that year.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Well, not exactly Cassandra. Cassandra had a curse where nobody believed her. You don't.

    Doesn't matter if my mom believes me when I tell her that she's about to get stabbed in the face. It's not like we can stop it.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sure it does. Gives some time to get affairs in order. And if she doesn't believe you, you might get so mad that you stab her in the face.

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  • Controversy CowControversy Cow Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    I really liked gravity manipulation. It's basically flying + telekinesis.

    Really shitty flying and telekinesis. If you change gravity then anything with mass will be influenced, thus moving a single object would be impossible. As far as I know there is no "range" for gravity, so changing the gravity in a small area seems like it would be fairly difficult to control.

    When you break down gravity manipulation it is basically the ability to change the force of gravity (which I assume means that you would create a focal point that would act as if a large mass was there). You would be limited to applying forces toward that mass. Weather manipulation can also apply forces through pressure differences created by controlling the wind. But weather manipulation wouldn't need to have a focal point that attracts anything with matter, you could be much more accurate. I would go so far as to say that control of the wind would be an easier method of "flying" than control of gravity. On top of that you can control every other aspect of the weather ( i even think Storm can control electromagnetic fields). Therefore I say weather manipulation for the wind.

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  • SpacklerSpackler Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    I really liked gravity manipulation. It's basically flying + telekinesis.

    Really shitty flying and telekinesis. If you change gravity then anything with mass will be influenced, thus moving a single object would be impossible. As far as I know there is no "range" for gravity, so changing the gravity in a small area seems like it would be fairly difficult to control.
    Ya know, if we aren't talking about changing the rules for gravity in a small area the power is functionally useless. I suppose you get a kind of "destroy everything" ability, but the range between that and getting any real use is small.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Spackler wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    I really liked gravity manipulation. It's basically flying + telekinesis.

    Really shitty flying and telekinesis. If you change gravity then anything with mass will be influenced, thus moving a single object would be impossible. As far as I know there is no "range" for gravity, so changing the gravity in a small area seems like it would be fairly difficult to control.
    Ya know, if we aren't talking about changing the rules for gravity in a small area the power is functionally useless. I suppose you get a kind of "destroy everything" ability, but the range between that and getting any real use is small.

    If you can create point-based gravity fields, you should be good to go. Force varies by distance squared, so a field that's strong enough to rip someone apart at close range would be mostly safe from a distance, at least more so than having winds and lightning flying around everywhere.

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Smasher wrote: »
    I don't think the "can't change the future" angle works. Let's say you work at a meat processing plant with a machine called a meat grinder (I don't know if that's an actual machine, but work with me). You divine your future one Sunday night and get back "you will be killed in a meat grinder accident this Tuesday". Naturally, you call in sick on Tuesday and stay home all day. How does the prophecy come true then? Does the plant suddenly blow up and toss a meat grinder however many miles to your house (nevermind how it survives such a huge explosion)? You can't be abducted and killed in the meat grinder by the mob or whatever, since then it's no longer an accident. Any other explanation I can think of is equally absurd.

    Ahh, but what you don't know is that the neighbor's dog, who's name is Meat Grinder, is going to sneak into your house and pee in your kitchen while you're in the bathroom. Then, here you come walking into the kitchen, slip on the pee puddle, and crack your skull open on the granite countertops your wife insisted on having put in last fall.

    And as you pass from this world to the next, your last thought is, "Wait a minute, I'm not even married."

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Spackler wrote: »
    Weather control = instant lightning bolt to the face for Mr. Gravity. And he's gonna have trouble throwing a car at Storm when he can't see her through all the fog.
    meh. while she's gathering the clouds to get that lightning bolt he just crushes her against the ground.

    The key would be how quickly either could produce the changes in gravity/weather.

    "So tell me. You're making this fog...how do you expect to control the fog when your arms weigh 700 pounds?"

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