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[TV] is short for TeleVision

PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, manAh, jeezRegistered User regular
edited June 2023 in Social Entropy++
Which is probably why so many people watch it on their phones

Anyway here is a thread for discussing the boob tube, the idiot box, the telly, et cetera.

Here's a trailer for an upcoming thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2bnYkvjdD0

I can't tell if this looks actually good, or if I'm just kinda excited that somebody else, somewhere, seems to remember The Joe Schmo Show

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    This thread title is a lie.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Television comes from the Greek for "far-seeing" and I think it's very funny that that makes us sound like a bunch of wizards pondering deep mysteries in our towers, when in fact it's only showing us the dumbest shit imaginable

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    It's far more terrible than that. It's a mix of greek and latin. It's scandalous.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Grislo wrote: »
    It's far more terrible than that. It's a mix of greek and latin. It's scandalous.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    I just started watching Reservation Dogs and it's actually good. I'm glad to be the first person to recommend this show because I'd hate for you all to miss it.
    I really enjoyed that Uncle Brownie's legend was in fact underplaying things and the secret bad thing about it was just that he'd actually gone off much harder than people said and he was embarrassed about it because no one wants you to knock out 30 guys and 3 cops during a night out that's too rowdy. I was ready for it to be a competently executed undercutting of like oh no he got knocked out actually, what they went with was much funnier.

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    I won't stop hyping up Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur because it's so fucking good and then I also found this older article which talks about other reasons why it's so awsome.

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    Pilar Flynn - Producer
    Rodney Clouden - Supervising Producer

    While what fans see on the screen is important, especially for such a historic Marvel series, producer Flynn noted that the team created an entire process for ensuring who was making the show as reflective of the diverse New York viewers would see onscreen. The end result for their writer’s room was a team that is “100 percent” women and a directing team that is currently made up entirely of women as well.

    “We not only wanted to tell the story of this little Black girl as a superhero, in a beautiful and high-quality way, but we also wanted to tell it authentically and as inclusively as possible,” she said. “Because so much of us in leadership are diverse ourselves — I myself am a Latina — it was our mission from the beginning that we were going to cast authentically both on screen as well as behind the scenes.”

    While breaking down its approach to hiring, Pilar said she was “proud” to say “most of our crew is actually made up of women, people of color, members of the LGBTQ+ community” and that Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur‘s creative leadership worked to create a “really collaborative” environment where production crew members felt they could speak up and “give us ideas [or] tell us if something didn’t feel right.”

    Along with their team behind the scenes, she and Coulden said, they also leaned into Disney production coordinator Allen March, who helped them identify potential onscreen representational opportunities, from main to background characters, and down to their footwear, with Clouden teasing viewers can expect to see Timberlands and Air Force 1’s.

    “He did a lot of research, too, in terms of tracking percentages of how much of a certain group is represented in episodes,” Clouden explained. “It was really scientific.”

    “Even though we’re a majority diverse crew, we even have so much subconscious bias ourselves. So we took a page from Geena Davis,” she added. “It was amazing when we laid out the data what was missing. So anything that was missing, we tried to fill as much as possible.”

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular

    I can't tell if this looks actually good, or if I'm just kinda excited that somebody else, somewhere, seems to remember The Joe Schmo Show

    you can just @The Lovely Bastard

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »

    I can't tell if this looks actually good, or if I'm just kinda excited that somebody else, somewhere, seems to remember The Joe Schmo Show

    you can just "The Lovely Bastard"

    We've already texted about it, not to worry

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    I just started watching Reservation Dogs and it's actually good. I'm glad to be the first person to recommend this show because I'd hate for you all to miss it.
    I really enjoyed that Uncle Brownie's legend was in fact underplaying things and the secret bad thing about it was just that he'd actually gone off much harder than people said and he was embarrassed about it because no one wants you to knock out 30 guys and 3 cops during a night out that's too rowdy. I was ready for it to be a competently executed undercutting of like oh no he got knocked out actually, what they went with was much funnier.

    Uncle Brownie fuckin' rules so hard.

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    ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »

    I can't tell if this looks actually good, or if I'm just kinda excited that somebody else, somewhere, seems to remember The Joe Schmo Show

    you can just "The Lovely Bastard"

    We've already texted about it, not to worry

    I was literally talking to Zonugal about Joe Schmo 2 yesterday.

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    Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    Got caught up on Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.

    It's excellent. Expressive animation, cool musical sequences, funny gags. It can get a bit schmaltzy and didactic, but nothing out of line for a kids' show.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited March 2023
    I think my wife and I both unearthed a source of trauma that has been manifesting itself in a weird way over the last couple of decades. We were watching something on tv and a group of characters are renting a house with no clear indication of how any of them have any money to pay for it. We look at each other and pretty much at the same time say “and who is paying for this house??”

    And I realized we both have the same complaint about a lot of shows. How does Barry Allen afford a luxury penthouse condo on a CSI tech’s salary? How did any of the Friends afford those Manhattan apartments. Or even just stuff like “why are they always eating out when they have no money and no jobs? Where’s the ramen? And I think the root of it is because we both grew up extremely poor and were both working from about 15 years old. We both, by necessity, have always had to know exactly how much money we had, how much was coming in, when the rent was due, what bills we could push because they had the lowest late fees, etc.

    Thankfully we’re much better off these days, but it’s always still a thing that gets glossed over that takes us both immediately out of a tv show when our first thought it “no way this guy can afford to make rent here on that job.” Now it’s just a weird pet peeve we both seem to be stuck with for the rest of our lives. Thanks, poverty.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    I think someone did the math at some point and came to the conclusion that Chandler was legitimately a millionaire (Monica's apartment was rent controlled and illegally sublet).

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    That was one of the better things about New Girl, that none of them really had any money for a large chunk of the show

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    edited March 2023
    I think my wife and I both unearth a source of trauma that has been manifesting itself in a weird way over the last couple of decades. We were watching something on tv and a group of characters are renting a house with no clear indication of how any of them have any money to pay for it. We look at each other and pretty much at the same time say “and who is paying for this hour??”

    And I realized we both have the same complaint about a lot of shows. How does Barry Allen afford a luxury penthouse condo on a CSI tech’s salary? How did any of the Friends afford those Manhattan apartments. Or even just stuff like “why are they always eating out when they have no money and no jobs? Where’s the ramen? And I think the root of it is because we both grew up extremely poor and we’re both working from about 15 years old. We both, by necessity, have always had to know exactly how much money we had, how much was coming in, when the rent was due, what bills we could push because they had the lowest late fees, etc.

    Thankfully we’re much better off these days, but it’s always still a thing that gets glossed over that takes us both immediately out of a tv show when our first thought it “no way this guy can afford to make rent here on that job.” Now it’s just a weird pet peeve we both seem to be stuck with for the rest of our lives. Thanks, poverty.

    Man, okay, let's GET INTO IT.

    One big problem is that a lot of professional writers have been too rich for too long, and genuinely have no idea how money works. Not every writer, probably not even "most," but a lot, and the problem becomes more pronounced with higher-level writers. And like any career in the arts, a fair amount of the people in this jawn already came from money - one fun side effect of America not funding the arts and not having much/any social safety net, it's very cool and good.

    So this leads to shit like me pitching a story where a crime is committed for an object costing around $500, and a millionaire looking me in the eyes and telling me he doesn't think anyone would commit a crime for $500. People get stabbed every day for $20, I had to patiently explain to a man who drove to work in a Tesla. He said, "Oh, I'm not talking about addicts or homeless people, I'm talking about normal people."

    Another facet of the problem is that executives at most networks (couple of notable exceptions) have this deep, deep, deep, reflexive, pathological desire for TV to be "aspirational." A lot of times they use that word, sometimes they hide it in a note like "We want this world to be a place we want to visit," or "We want this workplace to feel like a place we want to hang out." Acknowledging reality too much is seen as a violation of this Sacred Principle.

    If it is not clear, this all drives me fucking insane.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I had a pretty good idea a lot of the not thinking about money thing is the end result of being written by people who haven’t needed to think about money, like, ever. And I get it, I do. I have friends like that. I’ll mention having done our household budget for the month and they’ll genuinely ask “why?”

    And buddy, poverty is a thing that doesn’t ever really leave you.

    At least short of becoming a millionaire movie star.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Oh, we talking about sitcoms focused on the working poor?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFD0UtfI960

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Oh, we talking about sitcoms focused on the working poor?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFD0UtfI960

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    That was one of the better things about New Girl, that none of them really had any money for a large chunk of the show

    I don't want to say it's an all-time great at it, but they would definitely do bits like, "this is the stick we use to fight the garbage disposal we can't have fixed because the landlord is a maniac" and "I've parked my car under an underpass a mile away from the apartment and covered it with cardboard so it won't get towed and it absolutely will not start." It does feel like you have to make it a feature of the show to get it through, though, like how Abbott Elementary does. Meanwhile, you look at something like 30 Rock and how they talk about poor people, and anyone who didn't grow up wealthy might as well be an alien species

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    It feels like it's gotten worse too; like I could believe that Carl Winslow could afford that house on a police Captain's salary and going back a bit Cliff Huxtable (look I know but it's a useful example to me) was a doctor and Clair was a lawyer and their house was pretty modest , I can't imagine where they'd live if that show were created now. Going back further the Ricardos' apartment feels pretty realistic and then there's the Honeymooners of course, I dunno man, there's probably a book to be written in here if someone hasn't already.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited March 2023
    You also had stuff like Roseanne, where the point of the show wasn’t that they were working poor. They just happened to be, and the situations in the show reflected that. Like, I love Always Sunny, and Abbott Elementary is fantastic, but with those shows they’re about the dire straits the characters or institutions are in. With Roseanne, it was just a show about a family, and that family happened to be poor and have a few warts. I feel like you don’t get that so much anymore, because like @Poorochondriac implied, the default is now upper middle class at worst. You can’t just tell regular stories about poor people who just… exist, ya know?

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Anyway, that might have been too broadly generalized. I’m sure there are exceptions, like New Girl, apparently. But man, it feels less and less common.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgi3CPmzbNg

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Anyway, that might have been too broadly generalized. I’m sure there are exceptions, like New Girl, apparently. But man, it feels less and less common.

    FX has made space for a lot of shows that aren't about rich people, from Rez Dogs to Fargo to Justified, etc etc. HBO has some room (Mare of Easttown, basically anything from David Simon), balanced out by the mega-glitz of Euphoria and Succession and so on.

    But pretty much anywhere else, yeah, I'm with you. There are occasional outliers, but they feel rare indeed

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Anyway, that might have been too broadly generalized. I’m sure there are exceptions, like New Girl, apparently. But man, it feels less and less common.

    FX has made space for a lot of shows that aren't about rich people, from Rez Dogs to Fargo to Justified, etc etc. HBO has some room (Mare of Easttown, basically anything from David Simon), balanced out by the mega-glitz of Euphoria and Succession and so on.

    But pretty much anywhere else, yeah, I'm with you. There are occasional outliers, but they feel rare indeed

    Or even if the show is about people struggling with money they still kind of have a stable life and nice stuff and don't have to worry about where they live even though the way they're living shouldn't be possible.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Rez Dogs is a great pick because the whole first season storyline about trying to scrape together a few hundred bucks just to get enough gas money to leave town hits real close to home. That’s definitely a show that understands being poor, and isn’t interested in casting judgments. There’s a degree of authenticity of the voice there that I don’t think you get unless you’ve been poor as fucking dirt and still have the scars from it.

    Man, what a great show.

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    A fun little experiment I do with senior managers in my business is to trick them into putting together budgets that highlight the hourly rate of their factory hands. It’s under the guise of doing zero-based budgeting familiarisation. It’s always a shock to discover how fuckin hard it is to live on what we pay them. It’s a small thing, but i hope at least it gives them pause when they’re working out their yearly pay reviews

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    Season 5 of the Good Wife starts off by tackling some tough questions. No, not the A plot about death row inmates. No, not the B plot about whatever bullshit Alicia and Will are up to.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    If I recall, the end of every episode of 2 Broke Girls actively tracks how broke they are(despite seeming to live in a pretty nice place).

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If I recall, the end of every episode of 2 Broke Girls actively tracks how broke they are(despite seeming to live in a pretty nice place).

    They are lying about who lives there in order to maintain the rent control on the apartment.

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If I recall, the end of every episode of 2 Broke Girls actively tracks how broke they are(despite seeming to live in a pretty nice place).

    They are lying about who lives there in order to maintain the rent control on the apartment.

    But unlike real life, a sitcom usually only deals with the “maintain the rent control” plot like once.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If I recall, the end of every episode of 2 Broke Girls actively tracks how broke they are(despite seeming to live in a pretty nice place).

    They are lying about who lives there in order to maintain the rent control on the apartment.

    But unlike real life, a sitcom usually only deals with the “maintain the rent control” plot like once.

    This is actually the thing that always weirds me out

    Like, if people are just inexplicably rich I might give the show a bit of shit over it, but y'know, whatever, it's television and I love suspending my disbelief

    But when they address it the one time and have an episode about how it's unsustainable or whatever, and then the next episode immediately goes back to the status quo? Now you've broken my suspension of disbelief and not given me any tools to repair it with

    Crazy Ex Girlfriend is the number one offender I think of on this count, but it's a fairly frequent concern

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Yeah, Friends did it once and considered the matter settled. They also did the “3 of us don’t make as much money” plot once.

    Of course, Ross having a PhD and a museum job before turning 26 may have been the one thing I could never quite accept.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    If a show handwaves away money issues with “oh, it’s rent controlled” and doesn’t have a recurring subplot running through the entire series where the landlord constantly tries to bully, harass, and inconvenience them into moving out, what are you even doing?

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    I always kind of assumed one of the reasons tv apartments and homes were so big was so the camera crew and everything could easily move around to get shots from different angles and such, I hadn't considered how out of touch the executives might be.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Lars wrote: »
    I always kind of assumed one of the reasons tv apartments and homes were so big was so the camera crew and everything could easily move around to get shots from different angles and such, I hadn't considered how out of touch the executives might be.

    I always assumed they were so big because they were missing walls and were sets

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