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[Streaming Services] All Your Favorite Shows, No Longer Available!

TexiKenTexiKen Dammit!That fish really got me!Registered User regular
This is the Streaming Thread, to talk about all things streaming, wherever you can find it.

Long ago, there was just One Piece of streaming you needed, that had all you wanted. But it has long since disappeared, though many try to find it and many powerful people claim they will retrieve it! And so we traveled through this Grand Line of streaming services, on the waves of investor money, watching as these people attempted to outbid and outspend each other on shows your eyes won't even look at since you're texting on your phone.

But shock!

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We have now hit the Red Line of budgets and subscriber revenue, resulting in chaos in the streaming world! Who will survive, who will be consolidated, will the rebels in the WGA be able to make a difference now?

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Onwards, into the New World, where the only thing that can truly stop you is not your hatred of the source material, but the size of your green screen!

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If you're wondering what's available where, Flixable is a good place to check for the US

Another place to see what's available is JustWatch, based by country/region


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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Thanks for making a new thread!

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    I am on season 3 of The Expanse, the point where it stopped being a SyFy show and started being an Amazon Prime show. Is this a good stopping point or was the quality dip exaggerated?

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    I think that was exaggerated. I liked the later (Amazon) seasons.

    I started "In from the cold" today. Starts as a mix between your normal spy show (which I have watched a ton of over the past few months) and "The Long Kiss Goodnight". But takes quite a left turn at the end of the first episode. Anyone seen this on Netflix?

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    I read the books and liked the show. It was all good to me

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  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Importing discussion from the old thread:
    shryke wrote: »
    Just, for the love of whatever gods are appropriate, I hope they figure out how to do "streaming with ads" better than it's implemented now, where you get the same 3 ads on repeat and purely based on time-watched instead of inserted at some sane points in the show, or frontloaded before the media starts.

    Why would they bother?

    I'm sure research exists somewhere that people are more likely to actually buy whatever an ad is selling if the experience of watching it is less painful than the experience currently is.

    But you'd think similar research would prevent me having 75% or more of my screen covered in ads when I click on a news article or recipe link and here we are, so you're probably right.

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  • DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Importing discussion from the old thread:
    shryke wrote: »
    Just, for the love of whatever gods are appropriate, I hope they figure out how to do "streaming with ads" better than it's implemented now, where you get the same 3 ads on repeat and purely based on time-watched instead of inserted at some sane points in the show, or frontloaded before the media starts.

    Why would they bother?

    I'm sure research exists somewhere that people are more likely to actually buy whatever an ad is selling if the experience of watching it is less painful than the experience currently is.

    But you'd think similar research would prevent me having 75% or more of my screen covered in ads when I click on a news article or recipe link and here we are, so you're probably right.

    Yeah, but that's for the marketing people at ACME to figure out. Here in StreamCo we tell them they had 10 Billion minutes of ad time and bill them accordingly.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    If you'd have told me that Warren Peace from Sky High was gonna perfectly portray a beloved fictional sci fi protagonist, I'd say.... fuck yeah because Sky High is one of the top five superhero movies ever made.

    Seriously though Steven Strait is pretty awesome.

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    Importing discussion from the old thread:
    shryke wrote: »
    Just, for the love of whatever gods are appropriate, I hope they figure out how to do "streaming with ads" better than it's implemented now, where you get the same 3 ads on repeat and purely based on time-watched instead of inserted at some sane points in the show, or frontloaded before the media starts.

    Why would they bother?

    I'm sure research exists somewhere that people are more likely to actually buy whatever an ad is selling if the experience of watching it is less painful than the experience currently is.

    But you'd think similar research would prevent me having 75% or more of my screen covered in ads when I click on a news article or recipe link and here we are, so you're probably right.

    If you're talking Linear like FAST channels, one of the reasons this happens is that the ad sales agent that your FAST platform uses ran out of advertisers who want to buy space, so they do ad-reruns to avoid having dead air (because those commercial airtime slots still exist for scheduling purposes, whether or not they have ads to fill them). This is happening more often now as we enter a recession and companies pull back on their marketing spend.

    I assume something similar can happen on the VOD side but most VOD based distributors I've dealt with have managed to figure out how to put commercial breaks at the right time in a show. It's in their best interests to make sure the commercials line up with the show's natural commercial breaks, so I don't know why they wouldn't be doing that.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Shazam 2 was added to nuHBO (that's its new name), and 3,000 Years of Longing was added to Prime.

    And the nuHBO app which you have to download made everything bigger than it really should, encumbering scrolling. Goodfellas is still up though, yet you get hit immediately with the push of "max" additions of informative murder porn shit and stupid reality stuff, I don't care about Mark Rober beyond glitterbomb videos every year, you're definitely not gonna make me watch his new loser show.

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Importing discussion from the old thread:
    shryke wrote: »
    Just, for the love of whatever gods are appropriate, I hope they figure out how to do "streaming with ads" better than it's implemented now, where you get the same 3 ads on repeat and purely based on time-watched instead of inserted at some sane points in the show, or frontloaded before the media starts.

    Why would they bother?

    I'm sure research exists somewhere that people are more likely to actually buy whatever an ad is selling if the experience of watching it is less painful than the experience currently is.

    But you'd think similar research would prevent me having 75% or more of my screen covered in ads when I click on a news article or recipe link and here we are, so you're probably right.

    If you're talking Linear like FAST channels, one of the reasons this happens is that the ad sales agent that your FAST platform uses ran out of advertisers who want to buy space, so they do ad-reruns to avoid having dead air (because those commercial airtime slots still exist for scheduling purposes, whether or not they have ads to fill them). This is happening more often now as we enter a recession and companies pull back on their marketing spend.

    I assume something similar can happen on the VOD side but most VOD based distributors I've dealt with have managed to figure out how to put commercial breaks at the right time in a show. It's in their best interests to make sure the commercials line up with the show's natural commercial breaks, so I don't know why they wouldn't be doing that.

    Then it should at least cycle back to the start of the current ad buy cycle, and not just repeat the last one, or even last three, over again.

    There's no reason for seeing the same commercial in the last two ad breaks, let alone multiple times in the last, unless you've literally only got five ads (assuming three per break). And if you've only got five advertisers, something is seriously fucked with your capacity to sell.

    That'd be giving free advertising to those advertisers. The ones that get looped usually make no money. So they might be like ads for other shows made by the same company that runs the fast channel you're watching, or some other kind of cross promotion. If you're just getting the same 5 ads from actual companies advertising something then it's actually very possible that they only got a handful of companies willing to run ads for that show, at that time, in that location. Like I mentioned, advertising spend is drying up right now as major advertisers look to curb their marketing budget in anticipation of a recession.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Importing discussion from the old thread:
    shryke wrote: »
    Just, for the love of whatever gods are appropriate, I hope they figure out how to do "streaming with ads" better than it's implemented now, where you get the same 3 ads on repeat and purely based on time-watched instead of inserted at some sane points in the show, or frontloaded before the media starts.

    Why would they bother?

    I'm sure research exists somewhere that people are more likely to actually buy whatever an ad is selling if the experience of watching it is less painful than the experience currently is.

    But you'd think similar research would prevent me having 75% or more of my screen covered in ads when I click on a news article or recipe link and here we are, so you're probably right.

    If you're talking Linear like FAST channels, one of the reasons this happens is that the ad sales agent that your FAST platform uses ran out of advertisers who want to buy space, so they do ad-reruns to avoid having dead air (because those commercial airtime slots still exist for scheduling purposes, whether or not they have ads to fill them). This is happening more often now as we enter a recession and companies pull back on their marketing spend.

    I assume something similar can happen on the VOD side but most VOD based distributors I've dealt with have managed to figure out how to put commercial breaks at the right time in a show. It's in their best interests to make sure the commercials line up with the show's natural commercial breaks, so I don't know why they wouldn't be doing that.

    Then it should at least cycle back to the start of the current ad buy cycle, and not just repeat the last one, or even last three, over again.

    There's no reason for seeing the same commercial in the last two ad breaks, let alone multiple times in the last, unless you've literally only got five ads (assuming three per break). And if you've only got five advertisers, something is seriously fucked with your capacity to sell.

    Online ads have always done that shit for some reason. It's the same ad every time, over and over time. At least TV would have a bit of variety.

  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    They killed our HBOmax in the middle of my wife watching something, told her to download the new Max app, and then it wasn't available in the Xbox store.

    I will give them credit that once it was actually available to download the new app kept the login information so we didn't have to do anything to actually get back to watching something.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Hubs are gone, and so are all the old movie collections, this sucks.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Hubs are gone, and so are all the old movie collections, this sucks.

    This tremendously reminds me of how both Netflix and Prime have made their interfaces intentionally worse over the years to obscure how many films they don't have and try to funnel people towards originals and exclusives. Gee, look at that, a bunch of shitty reality shows I could not give less of a fuck about, right at the top.

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Man, it's weird as hell to have GoT next to 'Married Abroad'.

    And yeah the whole new, last chance, and content hubs were the most useful parts of the original UI so they got removed.

    Now it's just TV / Movies so you need to actually know what you're looking for before searching around.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Just saw the latest Ted Lasso.

    To quote Roy Kent... "fuuucking hell"

    Also "Shouting is Roy Kents love language" made me giggle.

  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Started up Star Trek Voyager Last night. Still feels like Trek so I think I'm going to enjoy it.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    We don't want to devalue our brands reputation by adding a bunch of crap to it. So let"s rename it and shove the crap on there anyway!

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  • Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    Apparently Netflix's anti-password "sharing" is in place or going into place soon in America. It's super awesome to pay for 4 screens (as a side effect of paying for 4K) but be told you don't actually get to use them.

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I am on season 3 of The Expanse, the point where it stopped being a SyFy show and started being an Amazon Prime show. Is this a good stopping point or was the quality dip exaggerated?

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    @emnmnme I think you misunderstand the comic, Gabe is saying the show was under-funded when it was on SyFy, and is hoping Amazon will give the budget a boost. Which I think it did?

    But also I can't remember a single moment of the entire show where I felt like they were cutting corners on sets or props. I don't recall anything in the show feeling like it was produced by CW or something. The show holds itself up really well quality-wise.

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I am on season 3 of The Expanse, the point where it stopped being a SyFy show and started being an Amazon Prime show. Is this a good stopping point or was the quality dip exaggerated?

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    @emnmnme I think you misunderstand the comic, Gabe is saying the show was under-funded when it was on SyFy, and is hoping Amazon will give the budget a boost. Which I think it did?

    But also I can't remember a single moment of the entire show where I felt like they were cutting corners on sets or props. I don't recall anything in the show feeling like it was produced by CW or something. The show holds itself up really well quality-wise.

    I still love and have rewatched the first season a few times, but some of the sets definitely look a bit on the cheap side in that season. But the first season also had a lot of different sets for the first season of a sci-fi show, so it's pretty impressive what they were able to accomplish.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    they also removed the Producers Directors and Writers credits and just lump everyone together under "creators" now.


  • Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    Apparently Netflix's anti-password "sharing" is in place or going into place soon in America. It's super awesome to pay for 4 screens (as a side effect of paying for 4K) but be told you don't actually get to use them.

    Would it feel better if it was the same price for only one or two screens?

    Because that is the alternative.

    Many households have four (or more) members. This is the reason for the multi-screen access. Yes, they tacitly allowed sharing for years, to entice users, but like much of the streaming economy that was a deal that was always going to be too good to last. “Access to all of Netflix’s catalog for like $20 split four ways for four households” was never a reasonable expectation. Ever.

    Like, the most they’d ever discount a hypothetical “single screen 4K” plan versus the multi screen would be like $2 a month. Which isn’t nothing. But isn’t worth nearly the amount of hurgle burgling going on.

    I love that we literally spent like six pages talking about how the steaming economics as-is don’t work…and now with this new announcement we’re almost certainly going to spend several pages talking about how unfair it is that you can’t share your single paid account with literally your entire social circle. *sigh*

    I’ve heard the same people say both, without a hint of irony. It’s baffling.

    It's only shared between me and my mom. Well, was, at this point.

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited May 2023
    I've long wondered how streaming services keep people from just... recording their streams.

    With some shows never being offered for sale on DVD, and the potential for them to just abruptly disappear never to be seen again, it seems like a thing people would be more incentivized than ever to do.

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I've long wondered how streaming services keep people from just... recording their streams.

    With some shows never being offered for sale on DVD, and the potential for them to just abruptly disappear never to be seen again, it seems like a thing people would be more incentivized than ever to do.

    Most companies require some level of DRM protections in the content being streamed.

    Fun fact: American companies think Canada is the land of piracy (it kinda sorta is), so whenever American companies license content to us up in Canada, they insist on really onerous DRM protections. I'm sure there are work-arounds that real tech-savvy people could use to get around this, but I guess those people aren't a big enough threat.

  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I've long wondered how streaming services keep people from just... recording their streams.

    With some shows never being offered for sale on DVD, and the potential for them to just abruptly disappear never to be seen again, it seems like a thing people would be more incentivized than ever to do.

    They don't. If you check the pirate sites they tend to have all the exclusive shows from all the streaming services

  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    I'm gonna be pretty mad if they roll out anti-sharing such that i can't use a smart tv at a vacation cabin without paying for Netflix twice or carting the whole fucking tv back to my house every so often to connect it to my home wifi

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    I've long wondered how streaming services keep people from just... recording their streams.

    With some shows never being offered for sale on DVD, and the potential for them to just abruptly disappear never to be seen again, it seems like a thing people would be more incentivized than ever to do.

    They don't. If you check the pirate sites they tend to have all the exclusive shows from all the streaming services

    Yeah, the reason there's not so much awareness of piracy these days is not because they somehow managed to magically stop it but because there's been so much less incentive to find and 'advertise' it since streaming services became actually good for a few years. Fair prices, broad range of interesting and regularly updated content, not too much pointless walled gardening, decent quality app which works reliably etc. Good content at good price, lots of sales, not much piracy.

    However, as we seem to be returning to an era of ridiculous streaming service prices, on top of internet prices which are also ridiculous, I expect Pirate bay and its ilk to loom straight back into view. Get ready to log into some random Muldovan list of download packages or whatever.

    In the world of ad supported streaming, I expect they will go the crunchyroll approach. Make the adds SO bad, SO obnoxious repetitive and annoying that you buy the full price subscription just to avoid them. I would happily have watched 2 minutes of commercials during a 30 minute show, but, crunchyroll was too smart for that. So its the SAME commercial every time, and it takes ages to start playing, and the volume is wrong, and then the show often just quits, and you have to watch the commercials again!

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    I'm gonna be pretty mad if they roll out anti-sharing such that i can't use a smart tv at a vacation cabin without paying for Netflix twice or carting the whole fucking tv back to my house every so often to connect it to my home wifi

    That is exactly what will happen. Could VPN into your home network to stream, but again, another stupid hurdle

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    I'm gonna be pretty mad if they roll out anti-sharing such that i can't use a smart tv at a vacation cabin without paying for Netflix twice or carting the whole fucking tv back to my house every so often to connect it to my home wifi

    That is exactly what will happen. Could VPN into your home network to stream, but again, another stupid hurdle

    Yeah. I'm not necessarily opposed to them trying to solve password sharing. The issue is that the methodology affects genuine paying customers and that sucks.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    I'm gonna be pretty mad if they roll out anti-sharing such that i can't use a smart tv at a vacation cabin without paying for Netflix twice or carting the whole fucking tv back to my house every so often to connect it to my home wifi

    That is exactly what will happen. Could VPN into your home network to stream, but again, another stupid hurdle

    This will also happen to people who watch Netflix on their phones, or people who routinely use it on travel on one device. So like, if you only watch Netflix on your iPad on travel, and at home you watch it on the TV, then get ready for a message like this in the future...

    "Your 10 day login period has expired. Please return to your home network and log it"

    Hell, this is the modern world. What about people who have netflix accounts and just use their phones unlimited data plan to stream?

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I think this whole password shit is just gonna fly by because paying for screens and not getting to use them is some real bullshit. Then on top of that the whole home network thing is shit.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Just saw the latest Ted Lasso.

    To quote Roy Kent... "fuuucking hell"

    Also "Shouting is Roy Kents love language" made me giggle.

    At the end:
    When Beard was telling his story, my brain went “Oh, it’s like Les Mis”, and then they fucking said it! And then “stealing a loaf of meth” was just the cherry on top.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    i thought someone was saying that if you login from "not home" that you get some number of exceptions per month before you have to go into the website and delist or authorize or something? I'd love to hear how it actually works.

  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    i thought someone was saying that if you login from "not home" that you get some number of exceptions per month before you have to go into the website and delist or authorize or something? I'd love to hear how it actually works.

    Why bother trying to figure out how it works when you can just guess and then get really angry about it?

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