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Penny Arcade - Comic - Wheel Saint Page 4

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Penny Arcade - Comic - Wheel Saint Page 4

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    Still waiting for the payoff

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    You were expecting the payoff on page 4/5?

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I wasn't expecting a payoff, but we're now 4 out of 5 pages and nothing has happened yet. There's no tension and we still don't really know what the stakes are. We have a vague notion of the stakes, and we can make some assumptions based on tenets of Christianity. But we don't really know specifically what the stakes are.

    Compare that to Automata, which I think is their best pitch and biggest success, and we already had a fully formed scenario, a load of characterization for a couple characters, and a well defined world full of anti-robot racism and just so much more than we have here in Wheel Saint. With Wheel Saint, they have given us 4 pages that contain no plot and are struggling to even convey a general concept of what is going on. It's ironic, because it seems like Mike and Jerry are struggling to verbalize it just as much as Sam was on page 2.

    They clearly have a story they want to tell here. But so far we have 4 pages and very little substance. All 4 pages could easily be condensed into a single page and nothing would be lost.

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    I'll say up front that Wheel Saint was always going to be a hard sell for me. I find cars terminally boring. And so far this series has been really boring. While I agree with Mike and Jerry that there is a lot of Catholic lore that would make good world building, we aren't seeing anything thing isn't basic common Catholicism (plus cars I guess). An angel that looks like a human, and some cherubs? That's it? A purgatory that seems very desolate. I live in Arizona, so it's not actually far off from what I see regularly (insert joke here). IMO the pitch page was the strongest. The best panel being Sam's jacket. And the best car thing being the final panel of the cars racing? or whatever they are doing. I guess I'm impressed by how little we've seen of cars so far, but their scarcity hasn't been filled in by anything that interests me.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    The front page said this runs through Friday, so “five pages” likely didn’t count the first one when exhibiting the three different story ideas

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    imo this decompressed style is not really a good fit with their publishing schedule; decompression is fine but if you're only doing a couple panels (or even a single one!) every few days I need a bit more meat on the bone. Automata was good in this regard

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    Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    This page makes it seem kinda like you have to run souls over to save them, which is kinda funny.

    "To save these lost souls, you gotta run 'em down. Just run right over 'em in the street. Get 'em all stuffed and tangled up in the suspension, that's where the salvation is."

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    LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    Regarding the news post, it’s not necessarily individualism vs collectivism. It could be that the Japanese are just good people

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    nialloniallo Registered User regular
    Japanese people are just people, good and bad. Yes, we (although I'm an immigrant to Japan, it's been long enough that I feel it's 'we') are more collectivist, but we're not Borg. A pretty great place to live, but no utopia.

    Personally, I think one of the main things that helps Japan work well as a country is just... the idea that it should. That we're all in this together, no matter how individual we are or aren't. When there are big disasters like COVID or an earthquake, we work together to fix things - most action is bottom-up, not coming from leaders.

    We're not as economically equal as we used to be, but it's still a lot more equal than most developed countries - certain groups of people, e.g. the rich, don't get to leave the rest of us and live in a parallel world. So everyone kinda cares about everything else, because even rich people go to 7-11, use the trains, and send their kids to public school. Working low-paid jobs in my original country was maddening - we always knew we were being exploited and looked down on. But in Japan, while it does suck to be poorer than the average, there isn't this feeling that you're scum because you make minimum wage. And that sounds tiny but is actually magical.

    Anyway, it's nice to see Jerry enjoyed himself.

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    ziddersroofurryziddersroofurry Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    niallo wrote: »
    But in Japan, while it does suck to be poorer than the average, there isn't this feeling that you're scum because you make minimum wage. And that sounds tiny but is actually magical.

    Unless you're someone who is LGBTQIA+.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/world/asia/japan-same-sex-marriage.html
    Granted, things are changing but it's not quite 'magical' for everyone.

    As far as the comic goes I like the art. I just don't get what cars have to do with religious allegory.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    As far as I can tell, and I could easily be wrong, but I believe the general idea is that this is early Fast and the Furious type stuff, where they're racing for pink slips. But instead of pink slips for cars, they're for souls. Or something. It seems that he's there to rescue souls from purgatory or something. By racing. Maybe.

    But that's just my best guess based on context clues. They haven't actually told us much of anything. We've gotten a lot of neat artwork and very little story substance.

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    MercadeMercade Registered User regular
    I don’t think it’s about racing as much as the car being this world’s version of a cleansing fire, if this is indeed inspired by Catholic purgatory. But if the souls aren’t being saved (“not by a long shot”), I’m curious to see what happens. Agreed that real stakes need to be introduced.

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    YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    I think it's just a resource harvesting game. Food falls from the sky, you want to be the one that gets there first. Like that Banjo Kazooie minigame with the crocodile. Now that is reasonably interesting. But what if some of the resources were harder to harvest but worth more than others. Like a coconut is harder to eat than an acorn, but it has a lot more calories. So the drivers have to be very strategic about what they go for. You have to get there and fight the, lets say, the Purgatory Soul Shell Casing to harvest the resource. That would add a really interesting strategy layer to the gameplay.

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    SydRocksSydRocks Registered User regular
    Loving the art in this series

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    nialloniallo Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    niallo wrote: »
    But in Japan, while it does suck to be poorer than the average, there isn't this feeling that you're scum because you make minimum wage. And that sounds tiny but is actually magical.

    Unless you're someone who is LGBTQIA+.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/world/asia/japan-same-sex-marriage.html
    Granted, things are changing but it's not quite 'magical' for everyone.

    As far as the comic goes I like the art. I just don't get what cars have to do with religious allegory.

    Not related to what I said. I said that the effects of economic equality and a lack of internalization of class prejudice are more magical than one would expect, not that Japan is magical.

    But there's homophobia almost everywhere, sadly. Though I can understand it can be hard to see that if you're from America, the EU, or one of those other countries that doesn't such have bigotry, probably because of the Christian influence and the inherent goodness of white people.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    When you visit a country you are seeing the industry designed to make make your experience pleasant: tourism. And maybe the culture is big on appearances, but if you stay long enough you’ll see the negative elements of that culture. Or maybe learn the subtle passive-aggressive gestures, much like how “bless your heart” isn’t always a pleasant southern expression.

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    Johnny17Johnny17 Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    niallo wrote: »
    But in Japan, while it does suck to be poorer than the average, there isn't this feeling that you're scum because you make minimum wage. And that sounds tiny but is actually magical.

    Unless you're someone who is LGBTQIA+.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/world/asia/japan-same-sex-marriage.html
    Granted, things are changing but it's not quite 'magical' for everyone.

    As far as the comic goes I like the art. I just don't get what cars have to do with religious allegory.

    There is the occasional habit of freelance comic (and other) artists to combine two action clichés into one either for comedy or "twice the awesomeness". In this case it is basically fighting preacherman combined with Speed Racer (or Fast and the Furious for westerners). The last time I remember this from PA is Paint the Line that basically combines action sports comic with cold war movie.

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